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Randalor posted:Isn't there some evidence that Judaism (and by extension, Christianity and Islam) may have originated as a polytheistic religion that over time became monotheistic? I know verses like Exodus 20:2 (Thou shalt have no other gods before Me) may have originated from the polytheistic basis. There's also the possibility that it was just "our god can beat up all the other gods so don't bother worshiping anything else, ever." I think at the time there was a general attitude that other religions' gods were real but were weak, lovely gods that sucked so don't bother. Our gods are where it's at! Certain sects of Christianity went down the path of "all other gods are false gods that are really just the devil." I forget where that idea originally came from but it's heavy in hardcore evangelical or fundamentalist Christianity. The idea there is that there is only one god there and only ever has been one god. All other gods are false gods. They're not gods at all; they're the devil speaking through one of his many disguises.
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By the end of the GoW franchise it'll just be Kratos ruling over everything as God. Edit: and the lack of response from God on every day affairs will be because he doesn't give a gently caress.
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May 6, 2018 23:50
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Wildlands is fun and good also man I wish God of War 2 had been that actually awesome sounding concept instead.
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Randalor posted:Isn't there some evidence that Judaism (and by extension, Christianity and Islam) may have originated as a polytheistic religion that over time became monotheistic? I know verses like Exodus 20:2 (Thou shalt have no other gods before Me) may have originated from the polytheistic basis. I believe there is some evidence to suggest that Yahweh was at one point El ("Most High") of the ancient Canaanite pantheon, yes, and there are also claims that Hebrews were originally Canaanites that adopted a new religion and identity, leading to a centuries long blood feud with the Canaanites that led to their biblical extermination (though there is apparently genealogical evidence they survived in Lebanon?)
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spit on my clit posted:I wonder how you make that all work together, though. is the Christian God, a God that is above all others? Did he create the greek and norse jerkoffs just to mess with people? Do they try to make sense of it, or just have it exist in-game for no real reason Kratos saved him for last. Makes perfect sense, hes just Schwarzenegger from Commando. MrJacobs has a new favorite as of 00:50 on May 7, 2018 |
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May 7, 2018 00:48
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I would 100% play a god of war game where kratos murders the Christian god, Jesus, Adam, Samson, etc
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May 7, 2018 01:29
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Well great, apparently I'm the only one this irritates. Bleh. "Everything is dying because of you! The sun is gone, the seas swallow the land, disease infects what remains! Oh sure, if you sail fifty miles that way everything suddenly becomes peachy keen again, but you've really hosed up this peninsula, buddy!"
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May 7, 2018 01:35
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Byzantine posted:Well great, apparently I'm the only one this irritates. Bleh. I haven't played it but how much time passes between games? Maybe there's just a new Pantheon rose to take over
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May 7, 2018 01:41
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Byzantine posted:Well great, apparently I'm the only one this irritates. Bleh. i don't think you're gonna find a lot of people invested in the story of any god of war (except the new one, obviously)
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Thinking about it, I guess I've always had this weird idea that the Greek gods were so powerful simply because people there believed in them. It's an old cliche, sure, but it works well enough for God of War. I have no trouble believing the Norse pantheon is supreme in the frigid north, while Native American gods would be supreme on their continent, and so on.
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The way I see it, the world of God of War isn't our world. Not even remotely. The gods rule where their influence is felt, and what lies outside their purview either doesn't exist or exists because there are other gods and creation myths that make it so. Essentially, all creations myths are true, but only for the geographic location where those creation myths are centered. Greece was created by Cronos and Rhea, but Midgard and its neighboring realms exist separately (and presumably there's an Irish pantheon and a Hindu and several others that make worlds that are essentially self contained.) Basically, the Ancient Greek "world" of the original God of War games was one plane of existence, and Kratos's actions have hosed that right up, so he's jumped ship to another one and the inevitable up-loving of that doth commence. Do the games actually support this idea? gently caress if I know, but that's how it seems to me. marshmallow creep has a new favorite as of 01:53 on May 7, 2018 |
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May 7, 2018 01:50
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Ya gotta also imagine to the ancient world Greece was quite large, especially at the apex of its power. It wasn't "just" a peninsula. In god of war's world Greece also might have been bigger. Its pretty clear the world is merely inspired by real life pantheons and places, rather than actually being them.
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GoW establishes that there’s several different realms or dimensions or whatever, explicitly mentioning that Japan, Greece, Mesoamerica, the Nordic countries and several others are places that exist and are places you can travel to if you have magic diamond eyes One guy even says that Kratos got so loving lost going north he ended washing up in Midgard
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marshmallow creep posted:The way I see it, the world of God of War isn't our world. Not even remotely. The gods rule where their influence is felt, and what lies outside their purview either doesn't exist or exists because there are other gods and creation myths that make it so. Essentially, all creations myths are true, but only for the geographic location where those creation myths are centered. Greece was created by Cronos and Rhea, but Midgard and its neighboring realms exist separately (and presumably there's an Irish pantheon and a Hindu and several others that make worlds that are essentially self contained.) iirc one of the endings for GoW1 had a jump to the future where the military and helicopters and poo poo came across the corpse of a titan (I forget which one) so its best to probably not think too much about it
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Bushmaori posted:iirc one of the endings for GoW1 had a jump to the future where the military and helicopters and poo poo came across the corpse of a titan (I forget which one) so its best to probably not think too much about it Whichever one had the temple on his back. They stumbled on Pandora's temple during Desert Storm
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May 7, 2018 03:18
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It was Cronos, jfc
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Randalor posted:Isn't there some evidence that Judaism (and by extension, Christianity and Islam) may have originated as a polytheistic religion that over time became monotheistic? I know verses like Exodus 20:2 (Thou shalt have no other gods before Me) may have originated from the polytheistic basis. Only if you’re extremely generous with the word “evidence.” Like it’s not quite Zeitgeist: the Movie-level “Jesus and Ra are the same because Ra is associated with the sun and Jesus is known as the son of God! (Please ignore that the words for sun and son are not homophones in any of the relevant languages)” but it’s not much higher from what I’ve seen. For content, I wish Kingdom Come: Deliverance would make it much clearer when enemies are trying to surrender. My statistics page says that I’ve killed like 30 civilians purely because that’s how it counts killing enemies that are surrendering. There’s not really a morality system aside from the soothsayer yelling at me that I’m going to Hell if I don’t repent so there aren’t many consequences but it still makes me feel bad sometimes. Also once I stopped in the woods to help some guards fighting a gang of bandits, and the last bandit surrendered as my sword was arcing towards his face, and all the guards immediately turned on me and started whooping my rear end for assaulting that poor defenseless bandit.
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Chuck Buried Treasure posted:Also once I stopped in the woods to help some guards fighting a gang of bandits, and the last bandit surrendered as my sword was arcing towards his face, and all the guards immediately turned on me and started whooping my rear end for assaulting that poor defenseless bandit.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:There's also the possibility that it was just "our god can beat up all the other gods so don't bother worshiping anything else, ever." It's called henotheism: there are many gods, but only one God.
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Byzantine posted:Well great, apparently I'm the only one this irritates. Bleh. that's fine. taste is subjective. i do consider it to be a PYF little things in games, personally.
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spit on my clit posted:Warframe reeks of "game that really should not be free to play, but rather cost like $30 or $40 instead", because the whole platinum thing is really dumb. Platinum is just the usual cash shop money that you use to buy weapons and warframes instead of acquiring the blueprints for them the usual way (using the regular cash or grinding the blueprints out in certain missions), but the whole game seems to be centered around grinding for the things you want so you can test them out as you grind for the next thing to use, so paying for the items with real dosh defeats the purpose of the game. With blueprints, you gather a bunch of materials and craft the item, be it a weapon or a part of a warframe. BUUUUT the game decides that you should have to wait 2 hours for weapons to finish crafting, which isn't too bad, or in the case of individual warframe pieces, twelve hours. Granted, you can craft multiple things at a time, but then consider that you need the blueprint to assemble the warframe pieces together, which takes a whole 72 hours to complete. here comes the cash shop money to the rescue, to speed up those wait times for you, yeeee haw. some might argue that waiting for the warframe to be assembled is a "part of the fun", anticipating how great it'll be to use, but since grinding already fills that role, the waiting is completely redundant, and I don't see why anyone would make that argument. Yeah, waiting for your shiny new stuff to be done loving suuuucks as a new player. Eventually you have like 20 things building at once and it's not a big deal to wait for the next thing because you're not done with your new stuff yet, but until then it's rear end. Mostly plat's for buying slots for weapons/frames, orokin reactors/catalysts and cosmetics though. At least it's easy to get for free if you don't mind grinding out some relics.
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I always thought a cool idea for a game based on the extermination of a pantheon would be from the point of view of the Gods that were exterminated - like a game set in the Aztec kingdom playing as one of the Aztec gods. Theoretically, the idea would be that as long as belief survived the God would be able to possess a statue of himself, animate it and work through it. There would be enough statues, although not a numbered amount, just "A Bunch" that that would be the life system. You die, respawn in the next statue and then leave using some kind of warp point/fast travel to get back to where you were. The statues themselves would be infinite - then at the end of the game, Hernan Cortes arrives with his army. Suddenly he launches a massive attack that destroys the room where most of the statues were kept, and is about to wipe out your people - you know you cannot physically save them, but you fight alongside them with the few remaining statues, show them that their gods have not abandoned them so they keep their faith alive and get to go to Tlalocan or the Paradise in the East (2 different possible places depended on the violence of their death/whether they died like a warrior, but both nice places) on their demise. The point being you will eventually run out of chances, so save as many people as you can because if they feel you are abandoning them they will start to lose faith as everyone around them is slaughtered, so it's important to be seen doing special moves and big impressive attacks, so that they died with no doubt in their hearts that their pantheon had their backs to the end. Kind of the direct inverse of God of War.
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marshmallow creep posted:I believe there is some evidence to suggest that Yahweh was at one point El ("Most High") of the ancient Canaanite pantheon, yes, and there are also claims that Hebrews were originally Canaanites that adopted a new religion and identity, leading to a centuries long blood feud with the Canaanites that led to their biblical extermination (though there is apparently genealogical evidence they survived in Lebanon?) This is pretty accurate. There's also some indication that at least in some places people believed that El had a son named Yw but it seems like overall El and/or Yw became the modern day YHWH. Even in the bible there are passages where God talks as if he's part of a pantheon. Biblical Hebrew often uses the term "Elohim" to refer to God but it literally translates to "gods" plural. BioEnchanted posted:I always thought a cool idea for a game based on the extermination of a pantheon would be from the point of view of the Gods that were exterminated - like a game set in the Aztec kingdom playing as one of the Aztec gods. Theoretically, the idea would be that as long as belief survived the God would be able to possess a statue of himself, animate it and work through it. There would be enough statues, although not a numbered amount, just "A Bunch" that that would be the life system. You die, respawn in the next statue and then leave using some kind of warp point/fast travel to get back to where you were. Well, there's always Okami which kind of plays that backwards. You're a god recently manifested on the physical plane to stop an encroaching evil and have to get people to start believing in you again so you can get your powers back and destroy the darkness Kit Walker has a new favorite as of 10:22 on May 7, 2018 |
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I say give us a God of War game where Kratos gouges out Jesus' eyeballs. Nobody ever gives Judeo-Christian mythology enough poo poo.
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I look forward to the eventual God of War x Megaten crossover. Killing every single pantheon, one god at a time.
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exquisite tea posted:I say give us a God of War game where Kratos gouges out Jesus' eyeballs. Nobody ever gives Judeo-Christian mythology enough poo poo. Wasn't that Dante's Inferno game along those sort of lines?
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Please do not bring Satan's giant flaccid cock into this thread.
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poptart_fairy posted:Please do not bring Satan's giant flaccid cock into this thread. There should have been a qte where you circumcised it. I didn't find the dick as hard to look at as Cleopatra spewing Babies from her boobs.
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BioEnchanted posted:I always thought a cool idea for a game based on the extermination of a pantheon would be from the point of view of the Gods that were exterminated - like a game set in the Aztec kingdom playing as one of the Aztec gods. Theoretically, the idea would be that as long as belief survived the God would be able to possess a statue of himself, animate it and work through it. There would be enough statues, although not a numbered amount, just "A Bunch" that that would be the life system. You die, respawn in the next statue and then leave using some kind of warp point/fast travel to get back to where you were. Just wanted to say I agree, a new (de-Christianized) take on Actraiser could be rad.
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I freaking loved Actraiser.
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oldpainless posted:It was Cronos, jfc
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What game has the worst "Go-through-the-rings" challenge that isn't Superman 64? The beaver-race in Majora 3D is an absolute pain because you have to win it four times in the one cycle, and the rings themselves are solid lifebuoys so if you bump into the edge of one you lose momentum and start swimming in the opposite direction. The only saving grace is if you fail enough times you're put on an easier course.
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exquisite tea posted:I say give us a God of War game where Kratos gouges out Jesus' eyeballs. Nobody ever gives Judeo-Christian mythology enough poo poo. You have to kill Jesus like 3 times because that bastard just keeps coming back to life.
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Holy Ghost is the harassing rival character who you fight throughout the game but isn't a boss fight until very late. Jesus is the recurring boss who you keeps coming back but isn't harassing you like the Holy Ghost. When you beat them both, you unlock the Father.
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Jesus is the recurring butt of sight gags. Kratos kicks down the doors to a temple? Jesus was on the other side and is crushed by the falling doors. Kratos knocks down a boulder blocking a mountain path? Boulder rolls over Jesus who's preaching at the bottom of the mountain. Kratos causes an explosion in an armory? Jesus on the cross is impaled by a flying spear.
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You guys are seriously underestimating Jesusquote:So spake the Son, and into terrour chang'd  The Son does not play around
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Jesus definitely has endboss potential if not Yahweh himself.
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Samuringa posted:You guys are seriously underestimating Jesus Also that time he chased a load of bankers with a whip. He also cursed the poo poo out of a fig tree, but that's maybe not as badass as the other stuff.
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Why the hell was I not taught this in Sunday school. Hearing Jesus put down an angelic insurrection would have made me pious as all gently caress, not that lame rear end bread and fish poo poo.
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