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Suspicious Dish posted:I was told this a month ago by someone that works in the AI space, and he heard it from a friend of his. Apparently the object-detection network in a major self-driving car has a known-false positive that reports a pedestrian backing out, and it was such an issue it was causing the car to stop when nothing was there. Often in an unsafe manner. They put another layer of heuristics after the object-detection network to filter out certain "false positive" misclassificatons. I would guess you're seeing the results of that. Somewhere, they had a "pedestrian on a bike" false positive that was causing them to stop uncontrollably, so they put some in some code to ignore it because it was wrong. Oops. so why the gently caress is this a binary on/off instead of judging that it's a safe distance to break and do that just to be safe like only override if you'd actually have to slam the brakes
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it’s almost like going straight from the darpa challenge to a commercial product is dumb like I encounter situations driving on the regular that I don’t see how an autonomous car could solve any better than using the same mental heuristic I do, where being wrong would increase the likelihood of an accident
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May 8, 2018 02:33
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move fast and break things lmao
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Xaris posted:or y'know, not drive them on public roads until you can solve that...? its just no matter where you set the sensitivity to things in the road dial you end up creating an unsafe driving situation. either your brake hard for every blowing snowdrift, heat shimmer image, or reflected streetlight, or you run over every pedestrian who doesnt exactly match the outline of the walk/dont walk signal and the last company who should be on the roads with this poo poo is uber, whose corporate culture is all about cutting corners, evading regulation, and treating fines and judgments as the cost of doing business as fast as possible
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May 8, 2018 02:35
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:move fast and break things lmao wished they had broke lamo instead
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Rex-Goliath posted:so why the gently caress is this a binary on/off instead of judging that it's a safe distance to break and do that just to be safe This was a story told over cocktails at a party for game industry nerds. I'm sure it's more complicated than a binary on/off... right? Right guys? Guys, seriously? Wait, you're not joking about them training their object detection neural networks on Unreal Engine 4 renders? What the gently caress?
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Suspicious Dish posted:I was told this a month ago by someone that works in the AI space, and he heard it from a friend of his. Apparently the object-detection network in a major self-driving car has a known-false positive that reports a pedestrian backing out, and it was such an issue it was causing the car to stop when nothing was there. Often in an unsafe manner. They put another layer of heuristics after the object-detection network to filter out certain "false positive" misclassificatons. I would guess you're seeing the results of that. Somewhere, they had a "pedestrian on a bike" false positive that was causing them to stop uncontrollably, so they put some in some code to ignore it because it was wrong. Oops. oh so exactly what everyone thought they did, great
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May 8, 2018 02:58
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Suspicious Dish posted:This was a story told over cocktails at a party for game industry nerds. I'm sure it's more complicated than a binary on/off... right? Right guys? Guys, seriously? Wait, you're not joking about them training their object detection neural networks on Unreal Engine 4 renders? What the gently caress? real cars are hard and expensive, if we can just do it in videogames we can ~iterate faster~ and be ~agile~
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May 8, 2018 02:59
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I also feel it an appropriate time to post this. Don't look down when crossing the street, kids, lest Elon's disaster think you're a pot. https://twitter.com/dribnet/status/932539829929197568
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May 8, 2018 03:03
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Glorgnole posted:if you find yourself adding all these bespoke tweaks to your ML network to make the test cases give you the results you want, it's probably time to take a step back and reassess your approach it's almost as if "deep learning" is a brittle, profoundly limited tool which is fundamentally incapable of solving most of the problems startups have been hurling it at. almost. imagine if when ELIZA was written the universal reaction was "well poo poo, strong AI is solved. let's replace all doctors with exactly this."
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Suspicious Dish posted:I also feel it an appropriate time to post this. Don't look down when crossing the street, kids, lest Elon's disaster think you're a pot. i'd like to think that the synthesized guy is also the platonic ideal of a burrito eater which is why a few different networks tagged it as that too
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May 8, 2018 03:09
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we have lots of publicly available pictures of dogs that we can use to train the vision ai... *every object is recognised as a dog*
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Internet Janitor posted:it's almost as if "deep learning" is a brittle, profoundly limited tool which is fundamentally incapable of solving most of the problems startups have been hurling it at. nonsense, of course all we have to do is chant "deep learning" 50,000,000 times and it'll solve itself.
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my bitter bi rival posted:HERZOG: This man was born with a sickness of the soul.
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Tokamak posted:we have lots of publicly available pictures of dogs that we can use to train the vision ai... it's actually advanced enough that it knows "dog" and "not a dog"
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May 8, 2018 03:30
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i guess the joke about cars running a credit check on you before deciding to brake came true earlier than we expected
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May 8, 2018 03:59
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*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life* not hotdog
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life*
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lancemantis posted:ah now I remember: burning man is where techbros go to pretend to be artists, and the met gala is where they go to pretend to be
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life*
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life* lol
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life*
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Suspicious Dish posted:I also feel it an appropriate time to post this. Don't look down when crossing the street, kids, lest Elon's disaster think you're a pot. i like how just looking down appears to be just relevant enough to pictures of crossword puzzles for it to appear in the top 5 predictions of 4 of the models on that synthesized example
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Fanged Lawn Wormy posted:*computer thinking harder than it ever has in its life*
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by the way, musk's gf is literally the only woman he follows on twitter
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May 8, 2018 07:24
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he follows like four actual people total, though
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elon is a very normal person
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hobbesmaster posted:maybe they're awkward enough for each other? i'm happy they found each other through their common sense of dumb humor
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Musky and Grimey.
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Schadenboner posted:Grimey. thank you. i really try to ration out my sompsons jokes. this one was in the queue but im not sure when i would’ve gotten to it.
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https://twitter.com/georgejoseph94/status/993865928608813058
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cool. good. just really cool and good, apparently we are now living in a goddamn science fiction novel. wonderful.
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what's very tech bubbly is that palantir has even convinced the general population that its some kind of magical system 
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ate all the Oreos posted:real cars are hard and expensive, if we can just do it in videogames we can ~iterate faster~ and be ~agile~ it's pretty common to run your software in simulations before putting it out in real hardware. I can even see the utility of using a 3d engine for developing basic training sets. the issue would be developing a training set with enough diversity to capture all variations of what a vehicle might encounter on the road ntsb needs to mandate closed circuit testing where the engineers use themselves as potential road hazards prior to any open-road testing
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Jenny Agutter posted:ntsb needs to mandate closed circuit testing where the engineers use themselves as potential road hazards prior to any open-road testing the future just became more interesting.
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President Beep posted:the future just became more interesting. Honestly, since there's no way a programmer is going to be held legally liable, I'm kind of supporting that plan. "You think your poo poo's ready for the real world? We've set up this course and the vehicle will not have anyone inside it. You're the obstacle. Go."
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Bunni-kat posted:Honestly, since there's no way a programmer is going to be held legally liable, I'm kind of supporting that plan. "You think your poo poo's ready for the real world? We've set up this course and the vehicle will not have anyone inside it. You're the obstacle. Go." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_47utWAoupo
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cars come out of the test program remarkably good at avoiding unicycles and roller skaters but classifies anyone walking around not looking at a phone as a no parking sign
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remember when palantir finally showed what they were working on and it was point-and-click web scraping? lmao
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Suspicious Dish posted:remember when palantir finally showed what they were working on and it was point-and-click web scraping? lmao so that's the secret of monkey island!
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