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MonsterEnvy posted:Not intentionally but left alive he was. Eh, I think Elan fully understood that he was leaving his father alive when he let him fall from the airship. He even says "you'll live." It's an artifact of it being a world of dungeons and dragons mechanics and the characters explicitly understanding that a high-level character has lots of hitpoints and can survive things like long falls.
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Dumping Tarquin unceremoniously in the desert and continuing the plot without him is probably the biggest revenge you can get on that guy.
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May 7, 2018 22:34
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Eh, I think Elan fully understood that he was leaving his father alive when he let him fall from the airship. He even says "you'll live." It's an artifact of it being a world of dungeons and dragons mechanics and the characters explicitly understanding that a high-level character has lots of hitpoints and can survive things like long falls. It is also a reference to Tarquin saying the same when he stabbed through Elan to stab a severely injured Roy.
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May 7, 2018 22:46
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Although as a cross classed hack he is explicitly gimped and probably died.
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May 7, 2018 23:10
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I mean he lived through the fall but I forget if he explicitly lived or died when his psionic friend got the snarl's attention
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May 7, 2018 23:17
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Shugojin posted:I mean he lived through the fall but I forget if he explicitly lived or died when his psionic friend got the snarl's attention He was gone when the Snarl flipped out because he traded the hole in the desert to the psionicist. So he's out there pouting about his defeat last week.
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May 7, 2018 23:27
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Motherfucker posted:Although as a cross classed hack he is explicitly gimped and probably died.  He's a near-epic pure fighter with gear well above his wealth-by-level standard and he was a match for 5 OotS members before they learned how to take advantage of his many personal faults.
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May 7, 2018 23:39
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MonsterEnvy posted:Not intentionally but left alive he was. Yes, Elan intentionally spared his dad because killing him was what Tarquin wanted and Elan refused to play into his narrative any more.
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Motherfucker posted:Although as a cross classed hack he is explicitly gimped and probably died.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:
Before Rich decided that he'd made the villain too cool and it sent a bad message to people so he whacked him with the idiot bat. 
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May 8, 2018 01:38
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Colonel Cool posted:Before Rich decided that he'd made the villain too cool and it sent a bad message to people so he whacked him with the idiot bat. Lol ok
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May 8, 2018 02:02
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sebmojo posted:Lol ok I mean, it's arguably true that Tarquin set himself up in a really great position to manipulate Elan for the rest of his life in a way that nobody in the Order was really qualified to deal with, and in order to have it not be the story where Tarquin wins, he had to take it up a notch into the realm of complete crazitude.
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May 8, 2018 03:09
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So a super effective and powerful villain is revealed to have his own hubris be his weakness. Completely unexpected.
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May 8, 2018 03:20
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Taerkar posted:So a super effective and powerful villain is revealed to have his own hubris be his weakness. Completely unexpected. Exactly.
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May 8, 2018 03:42
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You could even see Tarquins faults shining through early on. Like when he screwed over the Bounty Hunters because of a joke.
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May 8, 2018 06:44
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He leaned on the fourth wall of "I'm a stereotypical evil overlord, and I'm going to play it just enough to my advantage" until it was revealed that the wall's barely held up with chewing gum, hopes and dreams, and so he fell down with it. That was the whole point.
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Colonel Cool posted:Before Rich decided that he'd made the villain too cool and it sent a bad message to people so he whacked him with the idiot bat. Nah, this whole strip has a lot of the telltale signs of having been at least plotted out well in advance, at least after the end of the original dungeon arc. It's way too internally consistent. I don't doubt a few things have changed as the author himself has (particularly Haley), but with Tarquin in particular, the seeds of his downfall were there from the start.
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May 8, 2018 17:32
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I mean, I'm half joking. It was obviously all planned to go down this way. I do think Tarquin's characterization shifted radically near the end though in a way that I don't find entirely believable. I think there was a way to do the same basic structure without abruptly flipping the crazy idiot switch.
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May 8, 2018 17:40
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Also remember his biggest weakness. He thought the story was about him.
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tarquins character changes when he goes from being in control to not
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Colonel Cool posted:I mean, I'm half joking. It was obviously all planned to go down this way. I do think Tarquin's characterization shifted radically near the end though in a way that I don't find entirely believable. I think there was a way to do the same basic structure without abruptly flipping the crazy idiot switch. its a good thing that didn't happen then
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May 8, 2018 18:12
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Colonel Cool posted:I mean, I'm half joking. It was obviously all planned to go down this way. I do think Tarquin's characterization shifted radically near the end though in a way that I don't find entirely believable. I think there was a way to do the same basic structure without abruptly flipping the crazy idiot switch. Tarquin couldn't adapt to a situation of which he wasn't in control. I'm not sure what his downfall even could look like other than him totally losing it when he realizes he's not in the story he thinks he is. E: I guess it could happen slower, but I think most people were starting to get Tarquin fatigue somewhere inside the pyramid.
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May 8, 2018 18:15
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I still remember being convinced that Tarquin's end was gonna come from Xykon rolling in and casually blasting him to bits, shattering his whole worldview about being the real big bad.
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May 8, 2018 18:26
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PMush Perfect posted:I still remember being convinced that Tarquin's end was gonna come from Xykon rolling in and casually blasting him to bits, shattering his whole worldview about being the real big bad. I still believe Tarquin will end up ashed by "sub boss Zykon" after the Empire of Blood gets toppled by the B-Team Haley and Elan left behind them.
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May 8, 2018 18:54
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Dumb story speculation: assuming the Order cleans this mess up, the next thing Roy is gonna do is Send to Redcloak or Xykon, and clue them in about how their efforts nearly caused the gods to erase the world.
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May 8, 2018 19:02
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ZearothK posted:I still believe Tarquin will end up ashed by "sub boss Zykon" after the Empire of Blood gets toppled by the B-Team Haley and Elan left behind them. Whether all surviving recurring villains make a showing in the final confrontation will basically be synonymous with that. I'm most excited about the fiends and their actions
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May 8, 2018 19:03
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I hope we won't end up with the anime visual novel problem of "villains show up at the home stretch and solve all hanging plot threads with a single laborious infodump".
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May 8, 2018 19:41
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Dumb story speculation: assuming the Order cleans this mess up, the next thing Roy is gonna do is Send to Redcloak or Xykon, and clue them in about how their efforts nearly caused the gods to erase the world. Xykon's reaction would definitely be "Close only counts in horseshoes and maximized delayed blast fireballs."
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May 8, 2018 19:43
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Random Stranger posted:Xykon's reaction would definitely be "Close only counts in horseshoes and maximized delayed blast fireballs." Yeah, but Redcloak, assuming he believed it, would clue in The Dark One, who is obviously being kept in the, uh, dark about all of this, given that he doesn't have a rep at the Godsmoot. I think he'd probably be pretty angry about that.
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The Dark One would have voted to destroy the world though. He already has the back up plan of "Well if I don't get a secret assassin that can kill God's and they destroy the place at least I get a say in how the next world is made." and Redcloak is fully aware of this.
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May 8, 2018 19:59
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Gwyneth Palpate posted:Yeah, but Redcloak, assuming he believed it, would clue in The Dark One, who is obviously being kept in the, uh, dark about all of this, given that he doesn't have a rep at the Godsmoot. I think he'd probably be pretty angry about that. We don't know if The Dark One is in the dark about it, we only got like a two panel shot of everyone except the northern gods and The Dark One isn't in the Northern pantheon.
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Okay, Redcloak probably doesnt know that the Gods are voting, but He is incredibly aware that Plan B is: The world gets destroyed and remade, this time with the Dark One getting his turn.
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Colonel Cool posted:I mean, I'm half joking. It was obviously all planned to go down this way. I do think Tarquin's characterization shifted radically near the end though in a way that I don't find entirely believable. I think there was a way to do the same basic structure without abruptly flipping the crazy idiot switch. It was absolutely the point.
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May 8, 2018 20:25
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Tarquin was lame and dumb and his arc could've been cut short 50 strips for everybody's benefit
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Bad tarquin opinions itt. A villain who reprises one of them story's main themes and challenges a protagonist directly on their strongest skill is a great thing to examine in as much depth as an author wants
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ikanreed posted:Bad tarquin opinions itt. lovely dads is a theme that had been explored a lot of times already Plus again it lasted incredibly long
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Calaveron posted:Plus again it lasted incredibly long Not in terms of story or strips
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Johnny Aztec posted:Okay, Redcloak probably doesnt know that the Gods are voting, but He is incredibly aware that Plan B is: The world gets destroyed and remade, this time with the Dark One getting his turn. I wonder if Redcloak would start to feel differently now that he's got stakes in this world/in a way has already accomplished his goals in the form of the already created goblin utopia. But it's moot anyway because I don't believe Roy is aware enough of his motivation or of much about him at all aside from being Xykon's lackey to think there'd be any purpose in passing that info along.
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Zoe posted:I wonder if Redcloak would start to feel differently now that he's got stakes in this world/in a way has already accomplished his goals in the form of the already created goblin utopia. If they show up for a brief appearance like at the pyramid Roy might yell it at him.
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Taciturn Tactician posted:We don't know if The Dark One is in the dark about it, we only got like a two panel shot of everyone except the northern gods and The Dark One isn't in the Northern pantheon. The Dark One isn't in any pantheon, I'm pretty sure, and we do know that his high priest wasn't hanging out with the high priests of any of the pantheons.
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