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Zamboni Apocalypse
Dec 29, 2009

HEY GUNS posted:

the difference between being taken by storm, and everything that happens after that, and being handed over in a negotiation is very relevant to the local civilians

Zamboni Apocalypse posted:

Yeah, but by that time Dresden was just a sweep-and-clear anyway.

Welp, off to Nuremberg for my trial and hanging now, seeya!

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Rodrigo Diaz
Apr 16, 2007

Knights who are at the wars eat their bread in sorrow;
their ease is weariness and sweat;
they have one good day after many bad

SeanBeansShako posted:

You Yanks need to stop making them, they always turn out to be shite. Only good one is Men In Tights.

"You Yanks"? Motherfucker the Ridley Scott one is the most recent that's been released and it's English nationalist propaganda. Cram a loving pasty in it you neckless fish fucker.

Ice Fist
Jun 20, 2012

^^ Please send feedback to beefstache911@hotmail.com, this is not a joke that 'stache is the real deal. Serious assessments only. ^^

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

"You Yanks"? Motherfucker the Ridley Scott one is the most recent that's been released and it's English nationalist propaganda. Cram a loving pasty in it you neckless fish fucker.

:vince:

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
You say as if cramming a pasty in it is a bad thing. Also, forgive me for ignoring all wanky nationalist bullshit Scott does. I've got better things to do with my time.

EDIT: And yet nobody has made a film about this guy too. Yeah he hosed up, but at least it happened.

SeanBeansShako fucked around with this message at 18:27 on May 8, 2018

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!
Wat Tyler is like the most embarrassing revolutionary ever.

Mel Gibson should play him.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Fangz posted:

Wat Tyler is like the most embarrassing revolutionary ever.

Mel Gibson should play him.

Now that is entertainment.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Rodrigo Diaz posted:

"You Yanks"? Motherfucker the Ridley Scott one is the most recent that's been released and it's English nationalist propaganda. Cram a loving pasty in it you neckless fish fucker.

You want to watch it or Mebyon Kernow will burn your house down or something.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
You've got nothing to worry about with those guys, they somehow can't even beat the Liberal Democrats in Council elections.

Jethro is a bastard though, he's old and armed still so watch out for that guy.

Ensign Expendable
Nov 11, 2008

Lager beer is proof that god loves us
Pillbug
Happy VE Day, comrades. The Limber Gunners brought out their 25-pounder today.



There was also a Jeep along with a few WWII era cars.

Mr Enderby
Mar 28, 2015

1066 and All That posted:

CHAPTER 20
Robin Hood and his Merrie Men

ABOUT this time the memorable hero Robin Hood flourished in a romantic manner. Having been unjustly accused by two policemen in Richmond Park, he was condemned to be an outdoor and went and lived with a maid who was called Marion, and a band of Merrie Men, in Greenwood Forest, near Sherborne. Amongst his Merrie Men were Will Scarlet (The Scarlet Pimpernel), Black Beauty, White Melville, Little Red Riding Hood (probably an outdaughter of his), and the famous Friar Puck who used to sit in a cowslip and suck bees, thus becoming so fat that he declared he could put his girdle round the Earth.

Robin Hood was a miraculous shot with the longbow and it is said that he could split a hare at 400 paces and a Sheriff at 800. He therefore spent his time blowing a horn and shooting at the Sheriff of Nottingham (who was an outwit). He always used to sound his horn first, particularly when shooting round a corner; this showed his sportsmanship and also enabled him to shoot the Sheriff running, which was more difficult.

Robin Hood was also very good at socialism and often took money away from rich clergymen and gave it to the poor, who loved him for his generosity. He died very romantically. Having taken some medicine supplied by his Wicked Aunt and feeling his strength going, he blew a dying blast on his horn and with his dying breath fired a last shot out of his bedroom window, and hit the Sheriff of Nottingham again.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

The Ridley Scott movie is so sad

Because the premise of the initial screenplay was awesome - it was written by two people, one who had a Phd in medieval history. It made the Sheriff of Nottingham the main character. The Sheriff was looking for a serial killer, and he would use medieval era crime fighting techniques in the search. He suspects Robin Hood initially, and while Robin is an rear end in a top hat, the Sheriff soon decides he's not the killer, so then the Sheriff and Robin Hood team up to catch the killer.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

Mr Enderby posted:

He died very romantically. Having taken some medicine supplied by his Wicked Aunt and feeling his strength going, he blew a dying blast on his horn and with his dying breath fired a last shot out of his bedroom window, and hit the Sheriff of Nottingham again.

Given that traditionally he was supposed to be buried where the arrow fell, that would complicate the burial somewhat. Hope the Sheriff was a fat bastard.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

Ensign Expendable posted:

Happy VE Day, comrades. The Limber Gunners brought out their 25-pounder today.



There was also a Jeep along with a few WWII era cars.




Georgy Zhukov rides an elephant during his official visit to India, 1957

Rodrigo Diaz
Apr 16, 2007

Knights who are at the wars eat their bread in sorrow;
their ease is weariness and sweat;
they have one good day after many bad
For the record I don't actually care about what sbs said I just wanted to rag on the English. Pasties are delicious.

ChubbyChecker
Mar 25, 2018

pics i found on my imgur trawl


French soldiers and their war dogs during WW1. The canines carried aid to the wounded, took messages between the lines and sniffed out enemy soldiers.They were also used for pulling machine guns and equipment.


German cavalry moving into France, August 1914. Wouldn't be out of place on a Napoleonic Wars' battlefield.


French soldier rests to have lunch after days of battle near Reims France April 1917


World War 1, Sound Finders Were Used To Hear Potential Incoming Enemy Planes.


An American major, piloting an observation balloon near the front during World War I (1918)


Australian Light Horse Advance on Beersheba. 31/10/17


British WW1 soldier in goatskin coat (date unknown)


A french soldier in uniform with three medals stands next to a cannon in Paris in 1918. His left leg has been replaced by an artificial limb.


King George V at the Western front, 1917


Military officers and politicians climbing over furniture to watch the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in the aftermath of World War I. - June 28th, 1919


Hitler in WWI.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.
Technically they'd be confused if they saw the Pickehaube in 1815 as Prussian Uhlans just wore the usual Landwehr peaked cap or cavalry style shako.

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ

Ensign Expendable posted:

Happy VE Day, comrades. The Limber Gunners brought out their 25-pounder today.



What's the advantage of a windscreen sloped like that? I've seen it on a few heavy vehicles, especially military ones. Is it for better ground visibility, rain shedding, or something else?

Cessna
Feb 20, 2013

KHABAHBLOOOM



Time to gently caress off and get a beer, gents.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands

ChubbyChecker posted:


World War 1, Sound Finders Were Used To Hear Potential Incoming Enemy Planes.

OK, I can see the horns amplifying sound, but what's with the goggles? Built-in binoculars so that you don't have to waste time and energy lifting it to your eyes when you hear something?

ChubbyChecker posted:

Hitler in WWI.

lol

Mycroft Holmes
Mar 26, 2010

by Azathoth

Tomn posted:

OK, I can see the horns amplifying sound, but what's with the goggles? Built-in binoculars so that you don't have to waste time and energy lifting it to your eyes when you hear something?

the goggles do nothing

GotLag
Jul 17, 2005

食べちゃダメだよ
They appear to have very small aperture, maybe to give a pinhole effect to make it easier to see distant planes when you've heard them?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Cessna posted:



Time to gently caress off and get a beer, gents.

More please.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

ChubbyChecker posted:




Military officers and politicians climbing over furniture to watch the signing of the Treaty of Versailles in the aftermath of World War I. - June 28th, 1919



This is my aesthetic

Chillbro Baggins
Oct 8, 2004
Bad Angus! Bad!

Trench_Rat posted:

technically it was a rebellion and not a real war between nation states

That distinction in the history books really depends on who wins, doesn't it?

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

This is my aesthetic

I count at least two dandies who will not leave their sticks alone for this, nope.

Trin Tragula
Apr 22, 2005

ChubbyChecker posted:


Georgy Zhukov rides an elephant during his official visit to India, 1957

"I'm off to represent the entire Red Army at the buffet"

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

GotLag posted:

What's the advantage of a windscreen sloped like that? I've seen it on a few heavy vehicles, especially military ones. Is it for better ground visibility, rain shedding, or something else?

I think getting less rain on it is correct. Remember that these vehicles for most of the war only had hand operated windscreen wipers.

Cythereal
Nov 8, 2009

I love the potoo,
and the potoo loves you.
More espionage than military, but still kinda neat.

Guest2553 posted:

A journalist successfully FOIA'd the CIA to get the rules for some previously secret in-house card games used for training. One of them, collection deck, is about collaborative problem solving in intelligence gathering. It's interesting enough that there's a kick starter to commercial mass produce it :v:



Specific geoint techniques and general threat stuff was redacted, interestingly enough. I personally love how elements of a the bureaucracy are baked in.



fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
So are there any good sources on how long it would take for people to train as cavalry, going from inexperienced riders to capable and going from capable riders to competent at cavalry-specific skills, especially from the Early Modern period to the mid-19th century? Especially info around major raisings of military force, like the French Revolution's levee en masse, or others like that.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

fishmech posted:

So are there any good sources on how long it would take for people to train as cavalry, going from inexperienced riders to capable and going from capable riders to competent at cavalry-specific skills, especially from the Early Modern period to the mid-19th century? Especially info around major raisings of military force, like the French Revolution's levee en masse, or others like that.

I suspect in large part in the early modern you're recruiting people who already have at least some experience on a horse. Could be wrong though.

feedmegin
Jul 30, 2008

Trench_Rat posted:

Been reading a lot about the american civil war lately and what are junctions and turnpikes? Also did foreign militaries observers participate since technically it was a rebellion and not a real war between nation states

As noted, so was the American war of independence :sun: French people sure showed up for that.

Tomn
Aug 23, 2007

And the angel said unto him
"Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself."
But lo he could not. For the angel was hitting him with his own hands
Question for P-Mack - after the Taiping Rebellion was finished, how did the Qing Dynasty spin it? What was the narrative they created around its rise and destruction, and how widely accepted was that narrative?

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

Fangz posted:

I think getting less rain on it is correct. Remember that these vehicles for most of the war only had hand operated windscreen wipers.

There is an antiglare effect for internal instruments/controls at night. It's typically for this reason and not for rain shedding, because if you are driving forward you still get quite a bit of rain on a forward-raked windshield.

Fangz
Jul 5, 2007

Oh I see! This must be the Bad Opinion Zone!

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

There is an antiglare effect for internal instruments/controls at night. It's typically for this reason and not for rain shedding, because if you are driving forward you still get quite a bit of rain on a forward-raked windshield.

That makes sense for ships and stuff, but I don't really think there's going to be much of that in a WW2 jeep.

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

Tomn posted:

Question for P-Mack - after the Taiping Rebellion was finished, how did the Qing Dynasty spin it? What was the narrative they created around its rise and destruction, and how widely accepted was that narrative?

As far as the official response goes, mostly not talking about it. Any Taiping documents or records found were immediately destroyed (thankfully for future historians many were preserved by westerners in Shanghai and Hong Kong).

Tobie Meyer-Fong's What Remains talks a lot about post war commemoration, and the sheer scale of the dead meant that what were previously official imperial shrines and memorials were in this case erected by local communities. It was impossible that all the dead were actually loyal servants of the empire but for memorial purposes everyone's name would go on the list and be remembered together.

The Taiping ideology pretty much died with the last true believers in Nanjing so there wasn't much left to stamp out. I think as an explicit theocracy in which spiritual and temporal hierarchy were one, it wasn't suited for persisting as an underground movement. There was still significant persecution of suspected heretics which fell more on innocent Catholics than any actual Taiping holdouts.

All the problems with the Qing that led to rebellion in the first place remained unsolved. So there were still plenty of people who remembered the Taiping fondly and passed on stories of the rebellion through oral tradition. One young boy in particular was enamored by these stories and the anti-Qing narrative they crystallized, to the point that his friends nicknamed him "the second Hong Xiuquan". In adulthood, he'd go by the name Sun Yat-Sen.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
the CMP FAT definitely had interior lights and there is also a sun shield effect since you get more roof forward over the driver

edit: supposedly it prevented reflection of the sun off the windshield from revealing the vehicle to aerial observers as well

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin

Tomn posted:

Question for P-Mack - after the Taiping Rebellion was finished, how did the Qing Dynasty spin it? What was the narrative they created around its rise and destruction, and how widely accepted was that narrative?

The lasting effect of the Taiping Rebellion was that it destroyed any remaining pretense that the Qing was a Manchu empire or entity or that the Manchu were the Han's superiors - the "Banner armies" that brought the QING to power initially were gutted as an institution and played no relevant role in China's future. All the power - i.e. the armies trained and equipped along western lines and the supporting strucutres - arsenals, training schools, etc. were made up of Han Chinese and led by Han chinese officials at the highest levels. When the Qing finally wimpered out in 1911 none of the warlords that emerged during the warlord era were Manchu.

SeanBeansShako
Nov 20, 2009

Now the Drums beat up again,
For all true Soldier Gentlemen.

P-Mack posted:

Tobie Meyer-Fong's What Remains talks a lot about post war commemoration, and the sheer scale of the dead meant that what were previously official imperial shrines and memorials were in this case erected by local communities. It was impossible that all the dead were actually loyal servants of the empire but for memorial purposes everyone's name would go on the list and be remembered together.

:smith: Awwwww. I got something in my eye.

the yeti
Mar 29, 2008

memento disco



Hi milgoons, posting on behalf of a Dutch friend whose family have found these over the years and they've had no luck identifying them. Unfortunately I don't have measurements on them but any ideas?


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howe_sam
Mar 7, 2013

Creepy little garbage eaters

P-Mack posted:

One young boy in particular was enamored by these stories and the anti-Qing narrative they crystallized, to the point that his friends nicknamed him "the second Hong Xiuquan". In adulthood, he'd go by the name Sun Yat-Sen.

Not gonna lie, I heard Paul Harvey's voice in my head as I read this.

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