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Splicer posted:in general freezing them as quickly as possible is how people store mould and bacteria samples. this is true but you have to freeze them very quickly in a glycerol solution or the ice crystals rupture the cells and they die. even with the exact right conditions you lose a lot of cells.
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duz posted:It's been archived on twitter:  This is art.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:This, plus the shed with a pipe coming out the window, immortalized in the emoticon:  I didn't realize that was the shed! I thought it was just a stylized interpretation of the whole mess. This is amazing.
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The legendary insulated stairs!
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wesleywillis posted:So what was the deal with the Grover house? Was it crappy construction? Son, that thread is the godfather of all crappy construction threads. Enjoy this media archive. wesleywillis posted:What happened to Grover the mod? Did he resign as a result of his crappy construction, or because there was an impostor Grover that made a lovely construction thing? Pretended he was a cross between a Tier 1 Beard and the head of the CIA despite being a low level civilian contractor with a fetish for F-22s and combat lasers and was rightly run out of GiP as a result. Tristesse posted:The stupid stairs had a window right at the landing the stairs were largely pointing to so anyone who tripped and fell down would fly right out the window. Also the stairs were indoors but coated in layers of insulation for reasons. Gotta keep the stairs warm! I can't find a picture right now but I'm sure someone will. That was only the tip of the iceberg as far as the window situation got. Don't forget the thermostat placed on said stairs, in direct sunlight
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Or the dozens upon dozens of outlets placed every six feet on every wall. Including above the kitchen cabinets.
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Liquid Communism posted:Or the dozens upon dozens of outlets placed every six feet on every wall. Including above the kitchen cabinets. Christ I forgot about that. Wasn’t he stringing 10+ outlets on a single circuit as well?
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Perfectly cromulent. The picture of him standing in the trench covered in mud with this confused thousand yard stare is my personal favourite of the groverhaus series.
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Proteus Jones posted:Christ I forgot about that. Wasn’t he stringing 10+ outlets on a single circuit as well? Yeah, I think that was the part that made the inspector go 
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TTerrible posted:Perfectly cromulent. 
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Proteus Jones posted:Christ I forgot about that. Wasn’t he stringing 10+ outlets on a single circuit as well? Honestly 10 can be fine, provided the intended loads are small. Like a large living room or bedroom suite or something. Not a workshop obviously. Not sure how his was mapped. Pics of the groverhaus aren’t nearly as bad as some houses I saw for sale this month. Here’s my favorite, we called it the column house, for obvious reasons. The bathroom heating vent was partially buried under one as well. Every detail was off, wavy base trim, bad tiling, bedroom columns, kitchen sink in a weird spot. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/9945-W-34th-Dr-WHEAT-RIDGE-CO-80033/13740339_zpid/
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crazypeltast52 posted:The legendary insulated stairs! Whu...what? I mean, I see the insulation, but what? Why?
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Whu...what? I mean, I see the insulation, but what? Why? Groverhaus is a mystery wrapped in an enigma wrapped in vinyl siding.
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I can definitely see the thought process. Floors need insulation. I'm going to insulate every floor because why not, it's a small expense, let's overkill it. Doesn't matter that this is an open mezzanine. I mean, why not do the stairs too? Obviously you'd want a reality check about half way through that train of thought but still. I can see it.
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I had imagined he had a past experience with noisy, creaky stairs and figured some leftover insulation might work to deaden the sound. But now I'm wondering if the space under the stairs was going to be cooled for sauerkraut storage.
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The Twinkie Czar posted:I had imagined he had a past experience with noisy, creaky stairs and figured some leftover insulation might work to deaden the sound. But now I'm wondering if the space under the stairs was going to be cooled for sauerkraut storage. A previous tenant insulated the closet under the stairs to the attic and also installed a somewhat illegal non-permanent permanent outlet there and I thought it was just a murder cabinet but apparently it was a wine cabinet. Based on the other tenants I'm imagining 2 m3 of neatly racked climate-controlled 5€ Egri Bikavér bottles.
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Iirc he just had leftover insulation and thought "why not." The profusion of outlets was in the kitchen, including lots of them on top of the kitchen cabinets iirc.
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It was grovers power sockets that I had in mind when I laid out the ones in my house. I marked them on the plans everywhere I thought I'd need one, then removed a bunch, then asked the sparkies if it was still too much. I actually think I could've done with a few more than I ended up with, but he was my cautionary whale.
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Jaded Burnout posted:It was grovers power sockets that I had in mind when I laid out the ones in my house. I marked them on the plans everywhere I thought I'd need one, then removed a bunch, then asked the sparkies if it was still too much. Residentially, there's no limit on the number of receptacles or outlets you can have on a single circuit. It might be overkill (like the stair insulation) but it's not forbidden.
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Phanatic posted:Residentially, there's no limit on the number of receptacles or outlets you can have on a single circuit. It might be overkill (like the stair insulation) but it's not forbidden. Yeah I wasn't so much asking whether I could, instead getting guidance on whether I should.
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I was reading the notes on some updates to the NEC and thought it was interesting when they increased the number of outlets required. The goal was to allow people direct safe runs from devices to outlets, reducing the number of extension cords, which were a source of danger. Tripping and pulling devices down or faulty wiring in the cords causing fires in homes.
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When I wired my workshop, I put in outlets every 6' or thereabouts, plus four outlets in the ceiling for use on tools in the middle of the room. Who wants to deal with cord wrangling? Of course, in a house you might care about the aesthetics of having outlets everywhere.
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I need to be able to plug in my air fryer from any location in the kitchen.
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If you have a workshop or some sort of media room then a ton of outlets make sense; even having a lot of them in a kitchen isn't a bad idea, especially if you are the kind of person that loves to have lots of devices and want to be able to run your toaster and wafflemaker at the same time, while you use your juicero and start up your blender for a smoothie. But I still can't work out why you would ever need them to be above the cabinets.
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Ashcans posted:But I still can't work out why you would ever need them to be above the cabinets. I can see maybe one or two total, switched, to power some sort of decorative lighting above the cabinets. A house I used to live in had that and it made sense. More than that though is getting crazy fast.
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Proteus Jones posted:Christ I forgot about that. Wasn’t he stringing 10+ outlets on a single circuit as well? My house, built in 1972 has wiring like that. Some individual outlets are on their own breaker. All three bathrooms run off of one breaker. That's lighting, outlets, and vent fans, 2 floors, three bathrooms, one GFI. Yes, the breaker trips often. Some circuits pass between different rooms so each wall has a different breaker. Those circuits run between floors too in no conceivable pattern. One of them covers 3 rooms upstairs and an outlet in the basement utility room. One garage circuit also does an outlet in the dining room. Just one, the rest are on a bedroom circuit. My favorite, is the outlet that holds a steady 121v when the breaker is on. When I trip the breaker, it reads 20.1v. Completely steady. What the hell is back-feeding 20.1 v into that circuit? It isn't any device, I've unplugged them all. There is some sort of evil in the walls doing it. Also, I had to fix most of the switched outlets as they had hot and neutral reversed. Built on a Friday or a Monday. That's my place. I like it. It's a good house. It just has character.
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Ashcans posted:
Lights, clock, television, fan
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FrankeeFrankFrank posted:Lights, clock, television, fan
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Splicer posted:Every 6 feet? How long are the cords on those things 3'? 6' spacing means you can put those things where ever you want. (I'm not really defending this, just trying to think like the person that did it)
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FrankeeFrankFrank posted:How long are the cords on those things 3'?
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Splicer posted:You're spot on, that was his exact reasoning. But you can't trip over an extension cord that's 7 feet above the floor and on top of a cabinet Extension cords are a potential electrical hazard at any height.
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Ashcans posted:But I still can't work out why you would ever need them to be above the cabinets. You've clearly never met someone who goes all out with a lighted Christmas village every year.
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The kitchen wasn't the only place he went hog wild with the outlets, just the most perplexing. There were excessive outlets in a few of the different pictures, weren't there?
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Ashcans posted:If you have a workshop or some sort of media room then a ton of outlets make sense; even having a lot of them in a kitchen isn't a bad idea, especially if you are the kind of person that loves to have lots of devices and want to be able to run your toaster and wafflemaker at the same time, while you use your juicero and start up your blender for a smoothie. Kitchens are specifically more often anyway,no more than 48” between outlets and one for each countertop over 12” in width. I agree that I wouldn’t put them over the cabinets, as I’ve never needed it. Doing it yourself is so radically cheaper than paying a sparky though and the cost isn’t terrible. I would consider some lighting for ambiance but.... honestly I don’t like my cabs now that have a space anyway, next time I’m framing a soffit.
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hailthefish posted:The kitchen wasn't the only place he went hog wild with the outlets, just the most perplexing. There were excessive outlets in a few of the different pictures, weren't there? More Christmas light outlets?  
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I imagine walking on the 2nd story floor is like a big trampoline.
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I'm lucky to have a single outlet in each room, more is better.
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Nice stairs though.
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mostlygray posted:My favorite, is the outlet that holds a steady 121v when the breaker is on. When I trip the breaker, it reads 20.1v. Completely steady. What the hell is back-feeding 20.1 v into that circuit? It isn't any device, I've unplugged them all. There is some sort of evil in the walls doing it. Doorbell voltage? Doorbells are typically 8 to 24v, and there may be a step-down transformer somewhere on a normal line to convert to the 20.1 you're seeing. http://homeguides.sfgate.com/voltage-doorbells-work-on-68731.html
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Jaded Burnout posted:Nice stairs though. Yeah, they're real warm in the winter.
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