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Grondoth posted:Just like how America couldn't have gotten this bad without the Dems being bad, the Dems couldn't have gotten this bad if a good chunk of democrats didn't think it was the right way to be. as an example of this, a reminder that the D&D crew genuinely believes in trickle-down housing as a solution to the affordable housing crisis in large cities.
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Al! posted:the chances of that happening are less than the chances of decereasing turnout amongst older voters so i encourage you all to cough and sneeze with your mouth unconvered and visit nursing homes when you have a cold or flu Schedule bingo tournaments and all-day Matlock marathons for the day of primaries
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Joementum posted:we've come a long way, Bayhbee lmfao omg bayh was and is the worst sparknotes for the babbies here, evan bayh's career as a Democratic Senator was 100% devoted to finding a bipartisan "solution" for Medicare and Social Security. literally his number one goal was destroying those programs. then on the eve of his departure from the Senate he wrote an op-ed decrying the revolving door of public "service" / corporate lobbying, and then immediately accepted a job as a Big Pharma lobbyist SUCC
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Oh Snapple! posted:as an example of this, a reminder that the D&D crew genuinely believes in trickle-down housing as a solution to the affordable housing crisis in large cities. sure, developers drive up rents and families trickle down to the homeless shelter
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Lawman 0 posted:JFK sucked though Stupid, bad accent, riddled with STDs, cheated on his wife constantly, didn't really understand his job, surrounded himself with venal people slightly smarter than him that he bossed around and imposed indignity on ... ... JFK is TRUMP!!!
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Oh Snapple! posted:as an example of this, a reminder that the D&D crew genuinely believes in trickle-down housing as a solution to the affordable housing crisis in large cities. I mean, they already have skin in the game so why not.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Stupid, bad accent, riddled with STDs, cheated on his wife constantly, didn't really understand his job, surrounded himself with venal people slightly smarter than him that he bossed around and imposed indignity on ... trump started fewer wars than jfk so far
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Oh Snapple! posted:as an example of this, a reminder that the D&D crew genuinely believes in trickle-down housing as a solution to the affordable housing crisis in large cities. Yeah. I don't wanna blame the voters the same way that the D&D crew did when Hillary lost, but we can't assume that dem voters believe what we do. Just like the Dems themselves, they're not guaranteed allies. They can be just as market-driven centrist succ as the ex-cia republican candidates they love. Grondoth has issued a correction as of 15:49 on May 9, 2018 |
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So what do we do then, give up? If we can't convince dem primary voters (and sure as hell can't convince GOP primary voters unless you go full 1488), where does the left gain any real traction? Real answers here, no  Or is the real leftist wave not completely here yet and still in the works? I feel like the presidential primaries next year are going to be a real turning point one way or another. I mean, sure Manchin won but he had an actual primary challenger for once Feldegast42 has issued a correction as of 16:14 on May 9, 2018 |
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Feldegast42 posted:So what do we do then, give up? If we can't convince dem primary voters (and sure as hell can't convince GOP primary voters unless you go full 1488), where does the left gain any real traction? Stop wasting energy on bourgeois politics and do direct action?
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Feldegast42 posted:So what do we do then, give up? If we can't convince dem primary voters (and sure as hell can't convince GOP primary voters unless you go full 1488), where does the left gain any real traction? Unironically spread socialism until we outnumber centrists 2:1.
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Remember, centrism views itself as the end of history, as such they have no long-term vision beyond maintaining the status quo the current election cycle. Keeping things the way they are betrays an utter lack of imagination and vision. It's why they accomplish nothing and promise even less. There more to meeting the material needs of those around you than running for office. Find a front, fight there, and keep fighting. Unless you're burned out, in which case is totally understandable.
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Fleetwood posted:Do you have more info on these seminars? I'd like to know more. Why, have you killed somebody?
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you need to be astroturfed to hell and back to make an impact in midterm primaries. and as we’ve seen efforts by progressives and leftists receive no institutional support and thus their efforts are scattershot and ineffective. more time is needed for an effective political movement to coalesce
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GalacticAcid posted:lmfao I bolted into the thread to post this, but tripped over this gigantic post, fell through an open manhole and was swallowed up by a maelstrom of stinking, putrid succ
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you need to be astroturfed to hell and back to make an impact in midterm primaries. and as we’ve seen efforts by progressives and leftists receive no institutional support and thus their efforts are scattershot and ineffective. more time is needed for an effective political movement to coalesce Leftists need to engage in a lot more signal boosting, and in the real world not just online.
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The suck can be quite staggering for those new to the zone, but before long you'll be like art carney's norton, calmly sipping coffee as gargantuan turds float by...
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you need to be astroturfed to hell and back to make an impact in midterm primaries. and as we’ve seen efforts by progressives and leftists receive no institutional support and thus their efforts are scattershot and ineffective. more time is needed for an effective political movement to coalesce it's why dems are rigging the primaries. they know if they don't put their thumbs on the scale, they are much more likely to lose. so they're pitting the full weight of the party against the left to keep us out it's been obvious for quite some time. it's why they leave leftist candidates with 0 support in the general while heaping millions of dollars on datacenter consolidation peddling idiots, and it's why they've even stooped to torpedoing the ge campaigns of candidates bernie's endorsed. they want the left to die so they can continue their grift uninterrupted
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The Nastier Nate posted:Has any Bernie endorsed candidate actually won anything? this is probably why hillary lost
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost 
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost holy poo poo
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Raskolnikov38 posted:you need to be astroturfed to hell and back to make an impact in midterm primaries. and as we’ve seen efforts by progressives and leftists receive no institutional support and thus their efforts are scattershot and ineffective. more time is needed for an effective political movement to coalesce Yes, 100%. I wish there was a magical easy recipe to make leftist victory happen but I think it needs more time, effort, and experimentation to see what works The unfortunate part is, how much time do we have?
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost 
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Feldegast42 posted:So what do we do then, give up? If we can't convince dem primary voters (and sure as hell can't convince GOP primary voters unless you go full 1488), where does the left gain any real traction? Organize locally. Changes have to come from the bottom up and imo it is actually a good thing that Bernie didn't win, because his victory would have been a mirage and it would have crushed morale even harder when the federal machinery just kept doing its thing unabated. Full Communism Now isn't going to sweep the ballot box in all 50 states over night and I'm not sure what to tell you if you thought it would. A mass movement has to be built first, and that has to be done organically within our local communities and this takes time. I think a sufficiently methodical push might put us in an actual competitive position in time for 2024. Not least because the cemeteries will have a whole bunch more dead olds and the precariat will have a whole bunch more angry youngs by then. (which sounds like a date from a sci-fi novel at the moment but isn't actually that far away. jeez)
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost
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Rastor posted:Yes, 100%. not much considering the dems are working with republicans to help child labor be a thing again. but the dems aren't going to be buying us time at any rate. that's been made shockingly apparent since trump was elected
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost Bernie strikes again
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Feldegast42 posted:So what do we do then, give up? If we can't convince dem primary voters (and sure as hell can't convince GOP primary voters unless you go full 1488), where does the left gain any real traction? yeah, give up on electoral politics for now that are structurally hostile to socialism and focus on building material aid networks with xtremely low barriers to entry to ease peoples dependencies on liberal capitalism (the dsa offering free childcare and organizing workplace rideshares would be a huge step in that direction). the religious right did this very effectively which is why they still have a stranglehold on american politics despite being electorially much weaker than they were during the clinton and bush years
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost lol
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Demographics Are Destiny, unfortunately that destiny has a bunch of swastikas all over it because the kids that are currently coming of age are being turned into fash at a terrifying rate (and for exactly the same reasons as the last time this happened too) so uhh maybe we need to urgently loving do something about that
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Sapozhnik posted:Demographics Are Destiny, unfortunately the kids that are currently coming of age are being turned into fash at a terrifying rate (and for exactly the same reasons as the last time this happened too) so uhh maybe we need to urgently loving do something about that we will urgently do something in an extremely practical, incremental fashion.
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Joementum posted:this is probably why hillary lost also lmao
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:Remember, centrism views itself as the end of history, as such they have no long-term vision beyond maintaining the status quo the current election cycle. Keeping things the way they are betrays an utter lack of imagination and vision. Condiv posted:it's why dems are rigging the primaries. they know if they don't put their thumbs on the scale, they are much more likely to lose. so they're pitting the full weight of the party against the left to keep us out https://twitter.com/HootHootBerns/status/994089248583225344
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Al! posted:yeah, give up on electoral politics for now that are structurally hostile to socialism and focus on building material aid networks with xtremely low barriers to entry to ease peoples dependencies on liberal capitalism (the dsa offering free childcare and organizing workplace rideshares would be a huge step in that direction). the religious right did this very effectively which is why they still have a stranglehold on american politics despite being electorially much weaker than they were during the clinton and bush years Religious right also kind of had a ready made conduit for their ideas though. No such structural support exists for the "left"
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Republican governors and legislatures are caving in to the demands of the teachers' strikes. You don't have to wait years to get leftists elected to make gains, you just have to withhold your labour. Confront the capitalist in the workplace, that's where all this stems from after all. A focus on electoral politics as the salvation of the left is utterly misguided.
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