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I just beat a U/W tokens deck in Arena by using Nicol Bolas's +2 to steal his single copy of Approach of the Second Sun off the top of his deck. He drew it and then cast it once, and by then he was down to 5 cards in his deck. I steal another card, pass the turn back to him, he draws down to 3 cards in his deck and can't use his Champion of Wits to draw it again without losing, so he uses Opt to put it on top, I steal it with Nicol Bolas again and win the game. Other highlights include stealing his River's Rebuke to nuke like 50 tokens and get back a Scarab God. 5 color ramp is a fun deck!
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Replicator + outcome seems pretty good on it's own. Maybe not good-good but loads of fun.
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May 9, 2018 13:25
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ItBreathes posted:Replicator + outcome seems pretty good on it's own. Maybe not good-good but loads of fun. Outcome does not work with tokens.
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May 9, 2018 14:02
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Just return all the random crap you cast to make those tokens.
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May 9, 2018 14:06
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Owlbear Camus posted:Thought it would be a good cheap deck to cash in a bunch of the dumb C/UC wildcards I had floating around. If I cared enough to redeem rares for it I might go for a couple of the Turn to Frog sky pirate dudes. Might be a bit too heavy on removal, season to taste. Very interesting. I'll have to poke around with Arena more to get more wildcards but this looks fun. Jabor posted:Fastlands are one of the types of duals that do see regular play in Modern. Even if they dip a bit after rotation, they're likely to creep back up over time. Angry Grimace posted:I don’t see them dipping at all. I think they go up a reasonable amount. Fair point. Probably a good idea to get them now while they're still reasonably priced and get some value out of them later (or if I ever decide I want to dive back into the toxicity cesspool of my local Modern crowd). Siivola posted:Mismatched mana got you down? Would you prefer slamming 1-drops forever instead of having to bother curving out? Do you want to draw some number of cards while beating face? I like. Would probably definitely slam in Throne of the God Pharaoh into the maindeck to synergize with all the mans you're putting down and swinging in with, as well as give you some more scry from the Artificer's Assistant too.
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May 9, 2018 14:19
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TheKingofSprings posted:It’s not meant to change how Affinity plays, it’s meant for shoring up a couple of rougher matchups against removal heavy decks. I kinda do like Karn in Affinity but I wouldn't have it in the MB where you pretty much are the best G1 Deck in the format and need to be as streamlined as possible.
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May 9, 2018 14:21
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mcmagic posted:I kinda do like Karn in Affinity but I wouldn't have it in the MB where you pretty much are the best G1 Deck in the format and need to be as streamlined as possible. I currently have 2 MB but have adjusted the 0 drops to ensure I accelerate more often (extra memnite and an extra jar. I am coming to the same conclusion as you though I think.
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May 9, 2018 14:32
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I impulse bought one of those 10 pack bundles, and had the most insane luck I’ve ever seen Check this out  4 mythics in 10 packs, including Karn and Teferi. And a nice bonus rare, with foil Steel Leaf Champion!
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May 9, 2018 14:46
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Buffis posted:I impulse bought one of those 10 pack bundles, and had the most insane luck I’ve ever seen J A Y A
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May 9, 2018 14:51
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Matsuri posted:Very interesting. I'll have to poke around with Arena more to get more wildcards but this looks fun. Once Kaladesh is out it will want Hope of Ghalispur and Aether Harvester.
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May 9, 2018 15:11
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Buffis posted:I impulse bought one of those 10 pack bundles, and had the most insane luck I’ve ever seen Jesus.
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May 9, 2018 15:11
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Buffis posted:I impulse bought one of those 10 pack bundles, and had the most insane luck I’ve ever seen This was more value than I opened up in a box and like 40 prize packs lol.
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May 9, 2018 15:30
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Buffis posted:I impulse bought one of those 10 pack bundles, and had the most insane luck I’ve ever seen Sell it, BUY MORE PACKS AND LET IT RIDEEEEEEE
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May 9, 2018 15:53
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Pulled a Karn in the display box I got at the prerelease too, so I guess I’m good at opening dominaria.
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May 9, 2018 15:54
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So how long can Karn hold 50 bucks for?
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May 9, 2018 15:56
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mcmagic posted:So how long can Karn hold 50 bucks for? People are saying he'll drop since the set is so new and people don't have him yet, but I disagree. He's played in almost every single standard deck, and is already starting to pop up in Affinity. (  ) He may not sustain at $50 on average, but I'll be surprised if he ever drops below $40.
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May 9, 2018 16:03
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InterrupterJones posted:People are saying he'll drop since the set is so new and people don't have him yet, but I disagree. He's played in almost every single standard deck, and is already starting to pop up in Affinity. ( Its gonna own when Karn is a $100 card
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May 9, 2018 16:12
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This is large, non core set, it's going to be opened SOOOOO much. It's hard to believe that it can sustain 50 bucks.
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May 9, 2018 16:17
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AnEdgelord posted:Its gonna own when Karn is a $100 card Karn is the most human character that the story team has written.
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May 9, 2018 16:22
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mcmagic posted:So how long can Karn hold 50 bucks for? Until it gets banned
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May 9, 2018 16:37
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Toshimo posted:Karn is the most human character that the story team has written. You aren't wrong.
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May 9, 2018 16:39
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80s James Hetfield posted:Until it gets banned TSG making it to rotation is pretty much proof positive they're not going to ban a dumb pushed ~story~ mythic.
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May 9, 2018 16:44
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Owlbear Camus posted:TSG making it to rotation is pretty much proof positive they're not going to ban a dumb pushed ~story~ mythic. They banned Emrakul.
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May 9, 2018 16:50
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Some Numbers posted:They banned Emrakul. Point taken; I'm dumb as Hell. In spite of being quite good and "splashable" in nearly everything; I still feel like Tefari is gonna be the more oppressive PW overall in Standard.
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May 9, 2018 17:00
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Karn is good because PW's are good and there isn't a lot of PW removal and card advantage is everything in standard right now, but it does not have a bannable power level. Teferi is a more powerful card, even though Karn is playable in any deck.
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May 9, 2018 17:00
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Some Numbers posted:They banned Emrakul. emrakul was a feel-bad game winner with mana reduction karn is card advanage
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May 9, 2018 17:24
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Soul Glo posted:karn is card advanage So was smuggler's copter
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May 9, 2018 17:26
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AnEdgelord posted:So was smuggler's copter ...which was also a two drop that attacked with evasion
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May 9, 2018 17:30
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Soul Glo posted:...which was also a two drop that attacked with evasion and Karn is a difficult to remove planeswalker that can generate large amounts of board advantage when you need it more than card advantage
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May 9, 2018 17:34
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smuggler's copter is not card advantage
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AnEdgelord posted:and Karn is a difficult to remove planeswalker that can generate large amounts of board advantage when you need it more than card advantage karn's a super powerful card that every deck can play and will play until people realize that not every deck NEEDS to play it, but it's still going to be the card that gets most decks that play it to their win condition while not being the win condition itself (even copter could close games, especially in multiples) i think it's really well designed, and it's going to be expensive, but it's not going to be the format warping card that typically get banned (random bad bannings of reflector mage and ferocidon aside)
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Owlbear Camus posted:TSG making it to rotation is pretty much proof positive they're not going to ban a dumb pushed ~story~ mythic. TSG only plays in certain decks so it's not ban worthy. Karn being colorless and fitting into every single archetype is a huge factor ala Smugglers Copter as others have said
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Soul Glo posted:karn's a super powerful card that every deck can play and will play until people realize that not every deck NEEDS to play it, but it's still going to be the card that gets most decks that play it to their win condition while not being the win condition itself (even copter could close games, especially in multiples) Karn can absolutely win games off of his -2. I'm of the opposite opinion as far as the card being well designed, it is probably the biggest mistake since Felidar Guardian and I look forward to the 28-32 copies in the top 8 of the protour.
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Casting cost aside, Karn seems more like a Siege Rhino type card that is powerful enough to be ubiquitous and annoying throughout its life in Standard, but not strong enough to warrant a full ban.
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Tibalt posted:Ugh. I can't get Mishra's Self Replicator to work in Standard, even as a meme deck. Tainen posted:I think the way I would do the Self Replicator in standard is to use the Reservoir shell but replace the Reservoirs with Replicators. Replace the Paradoxical Outcomes with Antiquities Wars I know this isn't self replicator at all but hell if generating a bazillion copies of something isn't what we're talking about here: Deck: Powerstone Combo   //Lands 4 Drowned Catacomb 4 Fetid Pools 1 Inventors' Fair 6 Island 4 Spire of Industry 2 Swamp //Spells 1 Battle at the Bridge 4 Fatal Push 4 Metallic Rebuke 2 Mirage Mirror 1 Paradox Engine 4 Powerstone Shard 4 Renegade Map 2 Tezzeret the Schemer 2 The Antiquities War 1 The Immortal Sun 2 Treasure Map 4 Whir of Invention //Creatures 2 Cogwork Assembler 4 Glint-Nest Crane 2 Herald of Anguish //Sideboard 1 Battle at the Bridge 2 Bontu's Last Reckoning 2 Consign // Oblivion 2 Contraband Kingpin 1 Moment of Craving 4 Negate 2 Sorcerous Spyglass 1 Walking Ballista  Display deck statisticsYou basically need Cogwork Assembler and 3 Powerstone (including copies) plus some land on the table, and Whir of Invention to get them there. But the fun part is just going crazy with The Antiquities War, or ramping into a Herald of Anguish, can win the game regardless. Mechanized Production is probably something I want now that I think about it. As for Mishra's Self Replicator, I would personally try a Teshar-Ballista-Ballista loop with Whir to tutor? Scrap Trawler might have a place too. TheDemon fucked around with this message at 18:16 on May 9, 2018 |
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A recent episode of the Leaving a Legacy podcast interviewed Adam Barnello, and he dropped the info that the deck we now know as Oops All Spells was developed on a forum he's a member of, as a joke, under a different name. I'm 100% sure he meant this forum and the original discussion about Breakfast Burrito. Which of you is Barnello
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May 9, 2018 18:08
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mcmagic posted:This is large, non core set, it's going to be opened SOOOOO much. It's hard to believe that it can sustain 50 bucks. None of these prices are sustainable. It’s because there’s a lot of interest in Standard but there wasn’t a month ago. As much as I can tell pack EV is higher than MSRP with several $50 cards. A lot of my local stores are having inventory problems with the set too.
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Jace shows up in the story for approximately 5 minutes and then leaves for Ravnica. Nobody comments on his muscles.
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Angry Grimace posted:None of these prices are sustainable. It’s because there’s a lot of interest in Standard but there wasn’t a month ago. As much as I can tell pack EV is higher than MSRP with several $50 cards. A lot of my local stores are having inventory problems with the set too. I think it's still below MSRP, but higher than any other Standard set. Dawnglare has it at $3/pack EV, which is more than anything else after Avacyn Restored.
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tzirean posted:I think it's still below MSRP, but higher than any other Standard set. Dawnglare has it at $3/pack EV, which is more than anything else after Avacyn Restored. I thought RTR had higher EV than Avacyn Restored?
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