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Been a while since I caught up to this. Been reading for the last week and gee, it was a great time to catch up! Well done Grey.
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This may be an unpopular opinion, but the AI is so terrible I can't really get that interested in the AAR anymore.  I love Grey, but at this point it's basically like watching someone beat up a cripple for years on end.
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May 9, 2018 12:26
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I understand where you're coming from, but for me Grey's fortune could be completely reversed very very easily, and I keep reading because his advantage is so fragile
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May 9, 2018 12:34
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getting bummed about this engagement as being too easy is like looking at Midway and concluding the same. Grey was lucky, but it very easily could have gone another way
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May 9, 2018 12:37
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Mukaikubo posted:This may be an unpopular opinion, but the AI is so terrible I can't really get that interested in the AAR anymore. I kind of get the feeling - maybe its just that the AI shovelling its entire navy into the waiting jaws of the IJN is flashy, while the negatives from Grey are less so.
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May 9, 2018 12:57
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whitewhale posted:It's an in-joke to this LP, much to Grey's frustration spitfires have been slaughtering his air forces over land for the past 12 months, now they will be taking to the sea! seafires are spicy garbage but Corsairs are very, very tough the AI does not really understand concentration of force - a human player in 44 builds a big mother of all CTFs with a couple hundred plane CAP from CVL.CVE and a couple hundred plane strike capability with Avengers and Helldivers with escorts from the CVs, which are a lot better than anything the Japanese have at this point in time.
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May 9, 2018 13:35
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 Nicely done, Grey.
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May 9, 2018 13:51
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Wow, nicely done Grey! Two Essex kills at this stage of the war is messy and brutal. All those airframes are worth it. Congrats on killing two big ones. I suppose at this point - how long realistically for you to get your carrier air wings up to fulll strength again when it comes to pilot replacements and fresh airplanes? Because you probably went through at least half of your air winsg. But, seems to be worth it here. Nicely done! Particularly wtih no damage to your task force at all. Awesome engagement and good call. Nice to see taking a risk pay off!
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May 9, 2018 14:01
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:the AI does not really understand concentration of force - a human player in 44 builds a big mother of all CTFs with a couple hundred plane CAP from CVL.CVE and a couple hundred plane strike capability with Avengers and Helldivers with escorts from the CVs, which are a lot better than anything the Japanese have at this point in time. it's ironically the same mistake the Japanese committed: going into Coral Sea with two carriers instead of five, and then Midway with four carriers instead of five. we're also about a month away from the historical Marianas Turkey Shoot, which saw the USN field five seven CVs (Essex, Hornet, Yorktown II, Bunker Hill, Wasp, Enterprise, Lexington) and 8 CVLs (Langley, Cowpens, Belleau Wood, Bataan, Cabot, Monterey, San Jacinto, Princeton) The fleet carriers alone would have had something like 600 planes, with the CVLs adding another 300 or so. I think the AI might have actually lost enough flat-tops that they couldn't assemble this force anymore even if they tried to.
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May 9, 2018 14:02
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Mukaikubo posted:This may be an unpopular opinion, but the AI is so terrible I can't really get that interested in the AAR anymore. No worries - the cracks in the AI are being more and more apparent - the Allied LP worked because the attacks are scripted and its easy to program a defensive AI. Here, I'm not winning due to tactical genius, I'm winning becuase I can pick the AI apart while it fails to push - The British are doing nothing in Burma, the Americans are landing base force units on fortified islands, and the Soloman Sea is a constant wave of undefended ships for me to feast on. This is the main reason I'm doing things like the last few days, and Operation Charnel House - their big things that give me something to talk about, rather than reporting the bombing of Munda and Rangoon 20 times a day for no effect. The turns take so long to do due to the number of raids, but the Allies have nothing worth bombing. Except Rabaul. Why Rabaul is not a constant sea of fire I have no idea. They send 100+ bombers a day to Munda, but only a handful to Rabaul. I'm also strong on my industry, as there has not been the strangle hold of American subs - I often forget American HAS subs now. I could do with more oil, but I can't physically ship any more in! Basically, I'm hoping to get 2x their score so on the 1st of Jan '45 I win. Otherwise this could be a bit dull....
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May 9, 2018 14:14
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Late war Japanese E's kill subs with remarkable efficiency
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May 9, 2018 14:21
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Ten thousand posts!!!
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May 9, 2018 14:22
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I see 11,800 posts and over a million views.
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May 9, 2018 14:31
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Holy poo poo, that was perfectly executed. You say it was mostly luck, but part of luck is identifying and exploiting the right opportunity. Well done!
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May 9, 2018 14:31
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Grey Hunter posted:I see 11,800 posts and over a million views. Ten million views!!!
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May 9, 2018 14:33
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Man, imagine Leyte Gulf if present forces would fight it. Allies still have significant advantage, but I imagine their morale would be so low no heroic CVE actions would happen. On the other side there would be experienced raiders of IJN.
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May 9, 2018 14:59
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alex314 posted:Man, imagine Leyte Gulf if present forces would fight it. Allies still have significant advantage, but I imagine their morale would be so low no heroic CVE actions would happen. On the other side there would be experienced raiders of IJN. The Allies could still theoretically have 8-12 CVE's at Leyte or in a single action easily enough. I think at this point there's like still at least 6-8 CV's around (Probably more honestly, I think Hornet is still left as well). So you have at least 6+ Essex class carriers, 1-2 older Allied ones, pls the possibility of a couple of British ones in theatre and any CVL's. So presuing they mass most of thier CV's in one place the engagement would be brutal, even with land based air support and most of Grey's carriers in one place. The only thing is they can't seem to do any sort of concentration of forces - they could easily hit multiple areas with CV raids to attrite and spread response forces in. Or just go for a full borne seige of Rabaul. A few days worth of sweeping wtih massed strategic bombers supported by fighters would mess it big time, and they clearly have the airframes to do so and the airfields in range to support it and the willingness to accept losses. Even 60-80 fighters intercepting raids only bring down a couple at a time. The AI clearly could mass a huge force if they wanted but they can't, and they send in things piecemeal. Even just two Essex Class ships took out at least 40% or more of the planes of Grey's main carrier force.
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May 9, 2018 15:15
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:seafires are spicy garbage but Corsairs are very, very tough Mahan hasn’t yet been translated into binary
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May 9, 2018 15:15
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Roosevelt is not a wartime leader. Change my mind.
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May 9, 2018 15:35
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At this point, pound-for-pound an Allied CV and air group is better than an IJN CV and air group. In anything approaching an even engagement the Allies will tend to win. However, as has been said, the AI is dumb as gently caress.
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May 9, 2018 15:41
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For as much as we discredit the AI, it didn't turn off airframes, lose 3 Essex carriers by forgetting to set CAP, or blow up a galaxy.
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May 9, 2018 15:43
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Reuben Sandwich posted:For as much as we discredit the AI, it didn't turn off airframes, lose 3 Essex carriers by forgetting to set CAP, or blow up a galaxy. 1) - The system turned off airframes, I just didn't notice. 2) - Accepted without comment. 3) IT WAS ONLY ONE PLANET!!!!
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May 9, 2018 15:46
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Grey Hunter posted:1) - The system turned off airframes, I just didn't notice. Denial, Acceptance, and Anger. You feel grief.
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May 9, 2018 15:52
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Ok, only one planet but it was an important planet.Jobbo_Fett posted:Denial, Acceptance, and Anger.
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May 9, 2018 15:58
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Grey Hunter posted:3) IT WAS ONLY ONE PLANET!!!! unintentionally blew up One. I believe there was more than one deliberate one blownup.
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May 9, 2018 16:08
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Oh god yes. In the second DW game i did at the back of the paradox megagame LP, blowing up the evil aliens homeworld saved my rear end!
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May 9, 2018 16:16
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You're a farking legend Grey and I love this LP
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May 9, 2018 19:09
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Grey Hunter posted:Oh god yes. In the second DW game i did at the back of the paradox megagame LP, blowing up the evil aliens homeworld saved my rear end! I searched, but couldn't find a link to that LP. Can you post one? It was so long ago that I've probably forgotten, but what was the rationale for not attempting to push further into Burma/India? Was in a conscious decision to concentrate your forces in the Chinese theater?
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May 9, 2018 19:41
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Monkeytime posted:I searched, but couldn't find a link to that LP. Can you post one? It's on the LP Archive: https://lparchive.org/Distant-Worlds-(by-Grey-Hunter)/ For some reason it's labelled only as a Distant Worlds LP.
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May 9, 2018 20:22
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Frankly, I don't think it's a question of "is Grey going to win" anymore, since the point disparity means that that's p. much assured. Now it's more a matter of when; if he can take and hold Chungking etc. while holding off any last minute surprises might get a '45 win, you never know if something daft might happen and the Allies force it to '46.
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May 9, 2018 21:26
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Part of me wants the game to go on long enough to see if the AI tries to nuke an island garrison.
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May 9, 2018 22:33
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Monkeytime posted:It was so long ago that I've probably forgotten, but what was the rationale for not attempting to push further into Burma/India? Was in a conscious decision to concentrate your forces in the Chinese theater?
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May 9, 2018 23:12
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At what point -is- the AI going to be capable of actually massing huge concentrations of forces? Ie, at what point will it just have so much built it will be throwing around 6-8 CV's in a single task force or having overhwlming localized superiority as far as folks have guessed?
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May 9, 2018 23:27
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One of the AI's biggest advantages is the confusing and terrible gui that the human player has to put up with. I'm assuming that advantage is mostly gone now that Grey has spent so many years getting used to it. In universe, I think that the only explanation for the AI's performance is that FDR died a few years early, and the white house staff have been doing a Weekend at Bernie's routine with the presidency.
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May 9, 2018 23:35
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wedgekree posted:At what point -is- the AI going to be capable of actually massing huge concentrations of forces? Ie, at what point will it just have so much built it will be throwing around 6-8 CV's in a single task force or having overhwlming localized superiority as far as folks have guessed? If it was a human opponent, 5 months ago. Sooner if they didn't lose any of the pre-Essex American carriers. Sadly the AI is garbage at forming task forces.
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May 9, 2018 23:38
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Ograbme posted:He got his rear end kicked north of Rangoon. Probably for the best, honestly. I have this vague recollection from a rules discussion in the thread a while back of an emergency UK / Indian army activation in a similar, but lesser vein, than the US one if the Japanese manage to breach a certain line inside India. The way things panned out, he could hold Rangoon / Indochina against a turtling British Empire army and use his spare forces elsewhere. Like China!
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May 9, 2018 23:58
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wedgekree posted:At what point -is- the AI going to be capable of actually massing huge concentrations of forces? Ie, at what point will it just have so much built it will be throwing around 6-8 CV's in a single task force or having overhwlming localized superiority as far as folks have guessed? It's largely going to be accidental. Like, at some point, four CVs are going to be in the same port at the same time, and the AI is going to manage to select them all for the same target.
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Serpentis posted:Probably for the best, honestly. I have this vague recollection from a rules discussion in the thread a while back of an emergency UK / Indian army activation in a similar, but lesser vein, than the US one if the Japanese manage to breach a certain line inside India. The way things panned out, he could hold Rangoon / Indochina against a turtling British Empire army and use his spare forces elsewhere. Like China! India already has a ton of restricted units at the start of the game. The AI doesn't (IIRC) buy out restricted units, so pushing into India means dealing with upwards of 8 divisions that are just sitting at the fortified border garrisons no matter how early in the game you attack. Couple that force with the terrible overland supply situation at the Burma-India frontier, and you just can't mass enough force to break through. The only way it could work is to actually attempt an amphibious landing, but that requires a lot of transports and armies that Japan needs elsewhere.
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Triggerhappypilot posted:India already has a ton of restricted units at the start of the game. The AI doesn't (IIRC) buy out restricted units, so pushing into India means dealing with upwards of 8 divisions that are just sitting at the fortified border garrisons no matter how early in the game you attack. Couple that force with the terrible overland supply situation at the Burma-India frontier, and you just can't mass enough force to break through. The only way it could work is to actually attempt an amphibious landing, but that requires a lot of transports and armies that Japan needs elsewhere. Best way to deal with India is to take Celyon and then bomb the christ out of anything that pokes its nose out along the coast.
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Mountaineer posted:It's on the LP Archive: https://lparchive.org/Distant-Worlds-(by-Grey-Hunter)/
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