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mysteryberto
Apr 25, 2006
IIAM

Twerk from Home posted:

I think it's about total % of your income spent on car-related costs that we should look at. If the sum total of your annual lease payments are less than 2% of your income, I think you're doing fine. Yes, we could all be driving 10 year old Prius beaters and saving a couple thousand, but for a lot of people the convenience of having a new car is worth the cost to them.

Cars are improving at a pretty amazing clip right now, and some manufacturers are making leases cheap.

So if I make a 100k a year my lease payments should only be $167 a month?

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bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


I finally had an opportunity to take a Focus RS for a test drive last night!

The takeaways are:

Seating position is high, even compared to my WRX.
Clutch is very light with a very long travel
Shifts similarly seem fairly long
Handles great, really everything I'm missing with the stock handling of the WRX
Steering also feels nicely weighted and direct in Sport mode, Normal mode really felt oddly boosted in places
Cabin was a bit more cramped than the WRX (and even the BRZ if I'm honest), livable and I could have probably adjusted the seat more, nothing dealbreaking
Ride wasn't anywhere near as harsh as I was expecting based on comments online, of course I daily drive a BRZ and am completely fine with it
It honestly didn't feel as quick as I was expecting based on the power output. It's quick, no doubt, and can really build the speed quickly, but the actual visceral feel of acceleration doesn't really seem much different than my '11 WRX with accessport

It did feel really natural to driving coming from the WRX. It was pretty easy to adapt to the clutch feel and the confidence to push it through the turns was right there from the start. What it really boils down to is if I totaled the WRX tomorrow I would probably be there the next day with insurance check in hand and buy the RS. Swapping out the perfectly functional car though, I don't know. I like the idea of it, but I'm not sure if the driving experience was transformative enough.

Pr0kjayhawk
Nov 30, 2002

:pervert:Zoom Zoom, motherfuckers:pervert:

mysteryberto posted:

So if I make a 100k a year my lease payments should only be $167 a month?

Gotta factor in take-home pay, now you're down to $108/month.

stevobob
Nov 16, 2008

Alchemy - the study of how to turn LS1's into a 20B. :science:


It all comes back to leasing a 1999 Corolla

SyNack Sassimov
May 4, 2006

Let the robot win.
            --Captain James T. Vader


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Powershift posted:

That article is a year old. a quick google suggests the premanent fix is a new front driveshaft that removes the flexible coupling all together.

Yeah the Transit forums were blathering about this (well, still are) for a long time. Permanent fix is a driveshaft with a u-joint coupling just like the "bad old days" Ford was trying to get past, though most people pointed out that there's nothing wrong with u-joints and Ford probably went the giubo route to make it quieter and save some money. Fix was supposed to be available last August or something, turned out Ford just meant "to dealerships to fix the Transits currently on lots", and it only was supposed to be widely available this year sometime, I haven't actually checked.

The takeaway from Transit owners on the forum was basically it completely varies - 30k miles seems to have been a safe distance proposed by Ford, and people had up to 60k miles on their giubos without serious cracking. Some had cracking at 20k miles, so it seemed due to driving style etc.

Transit's had a couple of "WTF" moments, like the fuckup with the hood water vents that overflowed water onto the airbox, which in turn had a design that let water seep in (fixed by a DIY solution, the Tupperware Umbrella Rain Diverter or T.U.R.D.), or the similar issue with the driver's side wheelwell, which houses the Trailer Control Module, and if water gets into that apparently all kinds of bad things happen. There's a recall on that one too, and apparently the fix is literally drilling a hole from underneath into that space so water will drain out. I.e. not actually fixing the original issue. Lot of angry Transit owners wondering how Ford hosed up basic fluid dynamics.

That said, what are you going to do, buy a Sprinter? Yeah there's better ways of setting your money on fire.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I did a market research survey about my new car, and of all the useless goddamn options they gave me for reasons why I chose this car, "manual transmission available" was not one of them. Considering that was a primary consideration for me, how will they know about this important preference?

No wonder carmarkers are abandoning manuals. They don't even bother to ask questions that would indicate a preference for manuals. They kept asking about things like fuel economy, as if anyone could give a gently caress :v:

PT6A fucked around with this message at 22:21 on May 4, 2018

Sits on Pilster
Oct 12, 2004
I like to wear bras on my ass while I masturbate?

Super Soaker Party! posted:


Transit's had a couple of "WTF" moments, like the fuckup with the hood water vents that overflowed water onto the airbox, which in turn had a design that let water seep in (fixed by a DIY solution, the Tupperware Umbrella Rain Diverter or T.U.R.D.), or the similar issue with the driver's side wheelwell, which houses the Trailer Control Module, and if water gets into that apparently all kinds of bad things happen. There's a recall on that one too, and apparently the fix is literally drilling a hole from underneath into that space so water will drain out. I.e. not actually fixing the original issue. Lot of angry Transit owners wondering how Ford hosed up basic fluid dynamics.
.

Reminds me of the 2000-era VWs with the coolant migration issues. The ghetto fix was to drill a hole in the bottom of the coolant level sensor plug for drainage. Worked for me!

krysmopompas
Jan 17, 2004
hi

PT6A posted:

No wonder carmarkers are abandoning manuals. They don't even bother to ask questions that would indicate a preference for manuals. They kept asking about things like fuel economy, as if anyone could give a gently caress :v:
I’m sure they gave you the incredibly detailed options of “performance” and “handling”, which motivates marketing to tell design to crap out more michael bay transformer rejects.

All consumer research is garbage.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

krysmopompas posted:

I’m sure they gave you the incredibly detailed options of “performance” and “handling”, which motivates marketing to tell design to crap out more michael bay transformer rejects.

All consumer research is garbage.

And "fun to drive"!

Honestly I think they pretty much nailed everything I wanted with this car already, so I don't know they need to do a survey.

Also, they missed "drove in a racing videogame and it was awesome" as an option for how I became aware of this car :v:

oRenj9
Aug 3, 2004

Who loves oRenj soda?!?
College Slice

bull3964 posted:

Handles great, really everything I'm missing with the stock handling of the WRX

What tires do you run on the WRX? The FoRS has pretty meaty Pilot Sport Cup 2s, which are the pinnacle of performance street tires. I bet most of the actual handling improvement over your WRX is the tires.

FWIW, the 2015 WRX chassis fixes everything that was wrong with the old one.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


oRenj9 posted:

What tires do you run on the WRX? The FoRS has pretty meaty Pilot Sport Cup 2s, which are the pinnacle of performance street tires. I bet most of the actual handling improvement over your WRX is the tires.

FWIW, the 2015 WRX chassis fixes everything that was wrong with the old one.

The cup tires are optional. The normal ones are pilot super sports. They're still great tires, but I've used ones just as good.

The issue with the WRX is the steering is too light, the rack is too slow, and it's a little dead on center. Like 90% of what I don't like about my WRX is the steering and the other 10% are the lovely seats.

The 2015+ chassis has one glaring flaw that keeps me from buying one.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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I'm leasing my current F150 because the residual value is good and the money factor is LOL cheap.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Auron posted:

I'm leasing my current F150 because the residual value is good and the money factor is LOL cheap.

This right here explains America.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002

bull3964 posted:

The 2015+ chassis has one glaring flaw that keeps me from buying one.

that it's ugly as gently caress, even as far as subarus go?

EnergizerFellow
Oct 11, 2005

More drunk than a barrel of monkeys

Twerk from Home posted:

This right here explains America.

You jest, but this is what the models will tell you to do if you take any accounting, MBA, finance, or econ class basically ever.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


BraveUlysses posted:

that it's ugly as gently caress, even as far as subarus go?

The lack of a 5th door.

OBAMNA PHONE
Aug 7, 2002
ok so there's 2 reasons then

A Proper Uppercut
Sep 30, 2008

Leasing would be perfect for me except I drive like 20k miles a year.

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

A Proper Uppercut posted:

Leasing would be perfect for me except I drive like 20k miles a year.

:same: but more like 35,000 miles.

One of those unlimited mile all-in lease EV deals would be perfect for me though, because I drive 100 miles/day and could get away with a 150 mile ev range almost entirely.

We are probably going to keep driving our CMaxes for a while and low-mile lease a stupid big SUV for the weekends when we have all of our kids in the same car.

EnergizerFellow
Oct 11, 2005

More drunk than a barrel of monkeys

eyebeem posted:

:same: but more like 35,000 miles.

One of those unlimited mile all-in lease EV deals would be perfect for me though, because I drive 100 miles/day and could get away with a 150 mile ev range almost entirely.

We are probably going to keep driving our CMaxes for a while and low-mile lease a stupid big SUV for the weekends when we have all of our kids in the same car.

If you're putting on that kind of mileage, why not get a used Cadillac XTS or Genesis G80 and unload it before you hit 100k miles (banks don't do >100k used car loans)? They have epic off-lease depreciation and have solid fuel economy for a big, comfortable car (lack of depreciation for second owner will buy a lot of gas). If it's just gotta be new and you're keeping it for 150k+ miles, there's the Chevy Cruze and Equinox diesels.

For hauling around kids and a boat around on the weekends, you'll never be upside-down on a 72/84-month loan on a new Suburban or 4Runner as the depreciation is effectively non-existent for low-miles examples.

EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 06:01 on May 8, 2018

eyebeem
Jul 18, 2013

by R. Guyovich

EnergizerFellow posted:

If you're putting on that kind of mileage, why not get a used Cadillac XTS or Genesis G80 and unload it before you hit 100k miles (banks don't do >100k used car loans)? They have epic off-lease depreciation and have solid fuel economy for a big, comfortable car (lack of depreciation for second owner will buy a lot of gas). If it's just gotta be new and you're keeping it for 150k+ miles, there's the Chevy Cruze and Equinox diesels.

For hauling around kids and a boat around on the weekends, you'll never be upside-down on a 72/84-month loan on a new Suburban or 4Runner as the depreciation is effectively non-existent for low-miles examples.

I use the carpool lane with my HOV access stickers, and my CMax gets way better fuel economy than a G80 or XTS.

Once I can get a long range EV with start-stop adaptive cruise and a decent lane assist I'm all-in on buying something to replace the plug in hybrid.

EnergizerFellow
Oct 11, 2005

More drunk than a barrel of monkeys

eyebeem posted:

I use the carpool lane with my HOV access stickers, and my CMax gets way better fuel economy than a G80 or XTS.

Once I can get a long range EV with start-stop adaptive cruise and a decent lane assist I'm all-in on buying something to replace the plug in hybrid.

But does the CMax get enough better fuel economy to make up for the (lack of) deprecation of owning a G80 from, say, 30k to 90k miles, which would be 2 years of ownership and registration fees? Plus the G80 and XTS will have that start-stop adaptive cruise. Granted, depending on the commute, no amount of money will make up for that HOV access.

If it's just gotta be a hybrid, check out used BMW i3. They're lulz cheap used right now. Same for the 2013-2015 Mercedes E400 Hybrid.

Plus in real-world use you can cut the advertised distance numbers on any EV in half for anything less than idealistic southern California weather. Only exception seems to be Mercedes, which rates their EV/hybrid distance as worst-case and you'll likely get better than advertised.

EnergizerFellow fucked around with this message at 06:29 on May 8, 2018

david_a
Apr 24, 2010




Megamarm
As someone who’s looking heavily at a Genesis G80, the notion that it has “solid fuel economy” is pretty funny. The car is way too heavy to get any reasonable mileage.

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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david_a posted:

As someone who’s looking heavily at a Genesis G80, the notion that it has “solid fuel economy” is pretty funny. The car is way too heavy to get any reasonable mileage.

Maybe the drivers will wish that it used solid fuel because then they wouldn't have to fill up as often.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

david_a posted:

As someone who’s looking heavily at a Genesis G80, the notion that it has “solid fuel economy” is pretty funny. The car is way too heavy to get any reasonable mileage.

Sometimes the best things in life are unreasonable.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
in fairness the small engine gets like, 22 combined

EnergizerFellow
Oct 11, 2005

More drunk than a barrel of monkeys

david_a posted:

As someone who’s looking heavily at a Genesis G80, the notion that it has “solid fuel economy” is pretty funny. The car is way too heavy to get any reasonable mileage.

In their 2WD N/A V6 forms the G80 and XTS get 28 and 29 MPG freeway, respectively, which is perfectly reasonable if you're doing long-haul on a daily basis.

Interestingly, the weapons of choice for guys out there doing crazy miles seem to be large, higher-trim Mercedes/BMW/Lexus sedans (e.g. Mercedes E400), compact diesel GM+Volkswagen, Prius, and GM+Toyota BOF pickup/SUV. You also see a surprisingly large number of 911s and Corvettes among these guys. These are those 3-5 year old cars you see with like 140k on it. A lot of them are livery, sure, but that Corvette or red Denali sure isn't.

Back when I was doing crazy miles I did a number of Ford Panthers, followed by a series of diesel and V8 E-classes. At some point physical comfort takes priority over trying to save every last penny on fuel costs.

KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


If I was commuting a couple hours each way, I'd be in something like an E-Class or G80, no question.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer
My 2015 Genesis (basically G80) 3.8L AWD is sitting at about 13.4L/100km right now, so roughly 17.5MPG. 85% city driving and I have a lead foot.

I'm very tempted to eat a little on the depreciation and get a G70 though. Love my car but it's a little on the big side, and the 3.3T is a very tempting engine.

TKIY fucked around with this message at 18:14 on May 8, 2018

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22

KillHour posted:

If I was commuting a couple hours each way, I'd be in something like an E-Class or G80, no question.

Volvo S/V60 personally. The E is too big and the G80 is way too big.

Wistful of Dollars
Aug 25, 2009

TKIY posted:

My 2015 Genesis (basically G80) 3.8L AWD is sitting at about 13.4L/100km right now, so roughly 17.5MPG. 85% city driving and I have a lead foot.

I'm very tempted to eat a little on the depreciation and get a G70 though. Love my car but it's a little on the big side, and the 3.3T is a very tempting engine.

If you don't need the extra space do it.

TKIY
Nov 6, 2012
Grimey Drawer

Wistful of Dollars posted:

If you don't need the extra space do it.

I did when there were car seats involved, but not any longer.

It doesn't look like I can get the full 'Genesis At Home Experience' in Manitoba though, which sucks rear end.

Auron
Jan 10, 2002
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Twerk from Home posted:

This right here explains America.

I don't know if I should be taking offense or not

but thanks

I'm going to go hook up my Lightning Blue F150 to my red/white Crownline boat and blare some Nugent now.

Mental Hospitality
Jan 5, 2011

Auron posted:

I'm going to go hook up my Lightning Blue F150 to my red/white Crownline boat and blare some Nugent now.

Lightning Blue is a crazy awesome color, especially considering it's a no-extra cost paintjob. I have it on my Fusion.

bull3964
Nov 18, 2000

DO YOU HEAR THAT? THAT'S THE SOUND OF ME PATTING MYSELF ON THE BACK.


Ford has suspended production of the F150 in all plants because of parts shortages due to a supplier fire. The shutdown could last a few weeks.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

bull3964 posted:

Ford has suspended production of the F150 in all plants because of parts shortages due to a supplier fire. The shutdown could last a few weeks.

Oh no! What will morons who can't shoulder-check nearly hit me with now???

Seat Safety Switch
May 27, 2008

MY RELIGION IS THE SMALL BLOCK V8 AND COMMANDMENTS ONE THROUGH TEN ARE NEVER LIFT.

Pillbug

PT6A posted:

Oh no! What will morons who can't shoulder-check nearly hit me with now???

Dodge Rams?

antimatt
Sep 12, 2007

ultima ratio regum

Seat Safety Switch posted:

Dodge RamsChargers?

FTFY

Christobevii3
Jul 3, 2006
I'd rather be cummin than strokin....

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KillHour
Oct 28, 2007


KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

Volvo S/V60 personally. The E is too big and the G80 is way too big.

I liked the V60, but it has a lot of little things that bug the poo poo out of me. Like not having an adjustable head rest.

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