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why is there a town named florida e: why are there two separate towns named florida in new york
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# ? May 9, 2018 05:31 |
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3p2xf8NdRg So I just listened to this Sakai interview and I'm kinda about some of his conclusions. I agree that there's deep historical injustices from a racial standpoint and that white populations have sometimes acted as a class in itself and sometimes sabotaged widespread class solidarity for systemic material advantages, but isn't he basically advocating some kind of ethno-cultural sorting/separatism in practical terms when he talks about desettlerization? There's a lot of vague language and it seems like he oscillates a lot, and I can't really pinpoint what he's envisioning, but if it's some kind of transitional thing that supposedly precedes internationalism then I'm not sure what it is. I don't wanna misrepresent what he's saying and mischaracterize him, please help me out.
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# ? May 9, 2018 08:00 |
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Metal Cat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3p2xf8NdRg
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# ? May 9, 2018 08:51 |
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Metal Cat posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3p2xf8NdRg it's basically what you get when you choose to be an essentialist reactionary when looking at history, but from a black perspective - racial ressentiment, absent of systemic analysis or historical materialism
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# ? May 9, 2018 09:35 |
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J. Sakai wants you to kill the white man in your head
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# ? May 9, 2018 12:03 |
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ah, I see Rachel Dolezal read J. Sakai pretend I made that joke when she was in the news
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# ? May 9, 2018 12:05 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:J. Sakai wants you to kill the white man in your head
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# ? May 9, 2018 12:33 |
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rudatron posted:he consistently downplays solidarity that has occurred, and when even when he grants it exists, he always portrays it as ultimately self-serving/lacking conviction. There's no way to reconcile that with a more metaphysical ideal of 'whiteness', he's essentialist, and therefore you have to read the extermination rhetoric as sincere & literal. No you don't, lol. I think J. Sakai's problem is that he's writing too much to an American audience, even though he acknowledges in interviews that "whiteness" isn't an inherent aspect of the settler mindset.
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# ? May 9, 2018 12:36 |
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yeah you do. he portrays real solidarity as impossible, therefore the only response left is extermination. if whiteness is inescapable, then the only way you 'kill the white in your head' is with a bullet. And as much as 'ironic' calls to genocide is only trendy when it's against white people, I don't exactly look forward to the possibility of dying, so i'm gonna sit that one out.
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# ? May 9, 2018 13:01 |
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Real solidarity is impossible under a settlerist framework. You can interpret that as meaning exterminationism if you want, but that's not what he's advocating. I think you're taking the racial aspect of it at face value for certain obvious reasons.
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# ? May 9, 2018 13:03 |
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rudatron posted:I don't exactly look forward to the possibility of dying
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# ? May 9, 2018 13:04 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Real solidarity is impossible under a settlerist framework. You can interpret that as meaning exterminationism if you want, but that's not what he's advocating. I think you're taking the racial aspect of it at face value for certain obvious reasons. rudatron fucked around with this message at 13:40 on May 9, 2018 |
# ? May 9, 2018 13:06 |
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There is no transhistorical settlerism that defines American politics from the pre-revolutionary era to the 21st century.
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# ? May 9, 2018 13:16 |
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Thug Lessons posted:There is no transhistorical settlerism that defines American politics from the pre-revolutionary era to the 21st century.
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# ? May 9, 2018 13:19 |
even the most charitable reading of sakai on this page paints him as a useless piece of poo poo
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:01 |
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not surprised, lotta Settlers itt
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:27 |
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i just want free healthcare
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:32 |
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lmao yes rudatron, people who find any value in sakai's work only do so because they believe they will be passed over in the inevitable rahowa, your interpretation of a book you absolutely have not read is 100 percent correct
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:42 |
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GalacticAcid posted:not surprised, lotta Settlers itt
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:46 |
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I support rudy in not reading books
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# ? May 9, 2018 14:50 |
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R. Guyovich posted:lmao yes rudatron, people who find any value in sakai's work only do so because they believe they will be passed over in the inevitable rahowa, your interpretation of a book you absolutely have not read is 100 percent correct Sakai is unambiguous in his endorsement of racial separatism.
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:00 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Real solidarity is impossible under a settlerist framework. You can interpret that as meaning exterminationism if you want, but that's not what he's advocating. I think you're taking the racial aspect of it at face value for certain obvious reasons. the settlerist mentality as practiced by the Fire Emblem characters are infringing on the solidarity of lesser-represented franchises, writes author J. Sakurai
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:13 |
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R. Guyovich posted:lmao yes rudatron, people who find any value in sakai's work only do so because they believe they will be passed over in the inevitable rahowa, your interpretation of a book you absolutely have not read is 100 percent correct
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:21 |
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Yandat posted:i just want free healthcare It's not "free" It comes from the taxes paid overwhelmingly by the working class, the wealth producers. That tax money just goes towards war and corporate welfare right now instead.
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:36 |
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All you really have to do is turn to the History Channel to see settlerist ideology being reinforced in the public consciousness. From that framework white identitarianism is a natural byproduct of it, and they fully embrace the notion that the country belongs to them because they built it. Solidarity is impossible if a certain group of people think that the country rightfully belongs to them because their ancestors settled and built it.
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:39 |
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Clochette posted:It's not "free" it’s actually coming off the backs of the third world proletariat, labor aristocrat scum
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:56 |
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Yes well spotted pener, racism still exists. But you're being far too particularist about it - there's nothing there substantially different from the ideology used to legitimize any nation state. In fact, the BJP party is right now trying to exclude non-hindus from indian history, through the same retroactive projection. But revolution always exists in one form or another, reaction and revolution have always opposed each other. The instant you deny the possibility of revolution, you become a reactionary by default - because then There Is No Alternative.
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# ? May 9, 2018 15:59 |
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The funny thing is these guys have it completely backwards. It's black people who have a racial consciousness that basically everyone other ethnic group in the country lacks. There's still plenty of racism among whites but they're way more divided politically, and rather than playing the central role race is only one axis of division among many. AP History-level analyses of the History Channel aside, of course.
Thug Lessons fucked around with this message at 16:19 on May 9, 2018 |
# ? May 9, 2018 16:06 |
More like SUCCai
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# ? May 9, 2018 16:17 |
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ist ist ism ism suffering from collectivist autism
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# ? May 9, 2018 16:21 |
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killing "whiteness" is an admirable goal as long as whiteness is synonymous with hierarchy and/or identity but aside from that and showing the shortcomings of the labor movement, j sakai is mostly bad
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# ? May 9, 2018 16:42 |
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im a white genocide centrist
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# ? May 9, 2018 16:42 |
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:ah, I see Rachel Dolezal read J. Sakai if she did he's got an ice burn for her just ready and waiting: J. Sakai posted:Race as a form of class is very tangible, solid, material, as real as a tank division running over you … tank divisions, after all, are also socially constructed! About another form of this same white racist game – white New Age women deciding to play at “becoming Indian” – Women of All Red Nations activist Andy Smith used to wearily suggest that if they really really wanted to “become Indian” they should live on the rez – the u.s. colony – without running water or jobs, without heat in the winter or education for their children, with real poverty, alcoholism, and violent oppression. Slow-Scan Shep fucked around with this message at 03:42 on May 10, 2018 |
# ? May 10, 2018 03:39 |
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Sakai posted:If radicalism can build small counter-currents of liberation in the overwhelmingly corrupt middle classes, why should similar work be questioned in the white working class communities? What I am fighting is the slick “Marxist” or “anarchist” opportunism, which sees aligning with the white settler majority and reform politics as the absolute necessity. wow what a separatist
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:07 |
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also people pushing the thesis sakai sees whiteness as this immutable, unchanging force throughout history clearly haven't read his worksakai, again posted:Racism as we experience it today didn’t exist before capitalism, which is why many revolutionaries see rooting out the one as requiring rooting out the other. To Europeans before modern capitalism the most important “races” were what we would call nations. Indeed, until well into the 20th century it was widely assumed by Europeans that even different European nationalities were biologically different, and had different mental abilities and propensities. Slavs were thought to be biologically different from Nordics, and Jews were thought to be an exotic race all by themselves.
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:17 |
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man the wikipedia on Anton-Wilhelm Amo is something, the end of the article is something. that's a life
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:23 |
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Is there any interview or text where he goes more into detail about the desettlerization thing? Because I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the onus of clarity lies on the author if he brings up the topic.
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:26 |
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Metal Cat posted:Is there any interview or text where he goes more into detail about the desettlerization thing? Because I don't think it's unreasonable to say that the onus of clarity lies on the author if he brings up the topic. yep! it's long as gently caress, but worth reading in its entirety. quote:EA: One question from a listener is ‘how do we ‘de-settlerize’ a country like the U.S. or Israel? Especially in a place like the U.S. where many righteous national liberation movements, such as the Black/New Afrikan and the Chicano movements especially, overlap and may contradict Native land claims and national liberation?’
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:46 |
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That's the interview I linked in my original post. I was hoping there was a sort of roadmap-ish analysis of how he sees that happening. Any other text you can recommend?
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# ? May 10, 2018 04:55 |