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Why not use the time stone to go back in time and fix literally every problem in the MCU?
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Dr. Strange use the Time Stone to cast Mark Ruffalo on The Incredible Hulk.
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May 9, 2018 00:43
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The thing about IW and "Why didn't Strange do this?" is he looked through 14000651 futures on how to beat Thanos and got exactly 1 way to possibly win. That's why he did what he did and let it play out. It's not that he didn't think of it, it's that the only possible way to win against Thanos and the whole "half the universe dies forever" thing was what happened. My IW IIMM is at the end, Banner is shown in the suit with pretty much just the scratches caused by that pile on of aliens, and not the rocks and poo poo he was phased into. How'd they get him out?
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May 9, 2018 00:58
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RareAcumen posted:On the other hand Wong did that while on Earth to someone completely different so who even knows if it'd just immediately cut his arm off or take a while like a lightsaber cutting through a door. But it had to be quicker than tugging on the stupid glove. It's more that they showed a monster arm getting straight cleaved off at all and then didn't present it to the audience as an option later that makes it irritating.
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May 9, 2018 01:05
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The thing about IW and "Why didn't Strange do this?" is he looked through 14000651 futures on how to beat Thanos and got exactly 1 way to possibly win. That's why he did what he did and let it play out. It's not that he didn't think of it, it's that the only possible way to win against Thanos and the whole "half the universe dies forever" thing was what happened. I assumed he was trapped in the stone (so parts of the stone were obliterated or displaced) so he just had to flex out. Buncha rocks aren't going to even scratch Hulk Buster.
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May 9, 2018 01:49
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Karma Tornado posted:But it had to be quicker than tugging on the stupid glove. It's more that they showed a monster arm getting straight cleaved off at all and then didn't present it to the audience as an option later that makes it irritating. Avengers: Infinity War Yeah I think your latter point is the important one here. Thanos' main, iconic weapon is his gauntlet, and they showed an arm being cut off earlier in the film. It's fine to say "He was too strong, it never would have worked", but if that's the case, don't show us something that feels like a Chekhov's Gun that never comes into play. It'd be like...if a spy used some kind of automatic bomb-defusing gadget in Act I, and then during the climax in Act III, he's trying to defuse a bigger bomb without ever acknowledging that he still has that gadget from earlier.
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May 9, 2018 02:57
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The thing that got me was Strange should have seen 14,000,616 possible futures.
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May 9, 2018 11:31
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The thing about IW and "Why didn't Strange do this?" is he looked through 14000651 futures on how to beat Thanos and got exactly 1 way to possibly win. That's why he did what he did and let it play out. It's not that he didn't think of it, it's that the only possible way to win against Thanos and the whole "half the universe dies forever" thing was what happened. I think that's exactly why things are the way they are. "It's the only way"
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May 9, 2018 14:46
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Patattack posted:Avengers: Infinity War Avengers movies tend to do that: Chekhov guns that are never fired, or even mentioned. Like in the very first Avengers, when they're fighting before they team up, Thor smacks Cap's shield with his hammer and it lets out a huge energy wave that levels a forest. You'd expect them to use it later in the big final battle to get out of a tight spot, but it never comes up again.
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May 9, 2018 15:56
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Mikl posted:Avengers movies tend to do that: Chekhov guns that are never fired, or even mentioned. Like in the very first Avengers, when they're fighting before they team up, Thor smacks Cap's shield with his hammer and it lets out a huge energy wave that levels a forest. You'd expect them to use it later in the big final battle to get out of a tight spot, but it never comes up again. Also ignored Thor was going to straight up kill Captain America. Thor had no idea that the shield would stop him and, if it didn't, Steve Rogers would have been paste. No big, though. It was just a misunderstanding.
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May 9, 2018 16:47
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He is a good. He is entitled to a little smiting every now and then.
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May 9, 2018 18:18
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Aleph Null posted:Also ignored Thor was going to straight up kill Captain America. Thor had no idea that the shield would stop him and, if it didn't, Steve Rogers would have been paste. No big, though. It was just a misunderstanding. Well yeah, have you ever read a comic book? Dumb poo poo like that happens ALL THE TIME. Its also why Avengers 1 is my favorite marvel movie, since its the closest of all the MCU films to feel like a really stupid and fun comic book from the late 60s early 70s.
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May 9, 2018 19:36
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Thor will straight up murder a person. Dude's a viking god.
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May 9, 2018 19:45
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Push El Burrito posted:Thor will straight up murder a person. Dude's a viking god. Wait, I thought Sentry had, like, the power of a million suns or some BS like that. I know Thor's tough, but I thought he was below Hulk in strength and The Sentry was above Hulk? But Thanos, in theory above Hulk and Thor, has also been beaten by people like Spider-Man, so...power levels are meaningless, basically.
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May 9, 2018 19:48
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DrBouvenstein posted:Wait, I thought Sentry had, like, the power of a million suns or some BS like that. Power levels are indeed meaningless, every character is as strong and tough as the story demands. Or more specifically they are exactly strong enough so that if they push... self... to... limit... they.... can... just... MAKE IT!!! Also the Hulks power level is variable even by comic book standards. Famously, the madder hulk gets the stronger hulk gets, and also Hulk is the strongest one there is. Once you get to sentry/thor/thanos strength levels, assume any of them can hurt any other one. Also apparently the power of a million suns doesnt stop you from getting a snapped neck. Which makes sense, Suns dont have necks, why would they need anti-neck-snapping powers?
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May 9, 2018 19:58
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DrBouvenstein posted:Wait, I thought Sentry had, like, the power of a million suns or some BS like that. 
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May 9, 2018 20:00
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Karma Tornado posted:But it had to be quicker than tugging on the stupid glove. It's more that they showed a monster arm getting straight cleaved off at all and then didn't present it to the audience as an option later that makes it irritating. Strange didn't witness that happen so it's not like he knew that was an option.
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May 9, 2018 20:10
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SiKboy posted:Power levels are indeed meaningless, every character is as strong and tough as the story demands. Or more specifically they are exactly strong enough so that if they push... self... to... limit... they.... can... just... MAKE IT!!! Also the Hulks power level is variable even by comic book standards. Famously, the madder hulk gets the stronger hulk gets, and also Hulk is the strongest one there is. the only rule for power levels is that squirrel girl is unbeatable.
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May 9, 2018 20:28
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DrBouvenstein posted:Wait, I thought Sentry had, like, the power of a million suns or some BS like that. Black Panther once put the Silver Surfer into a headlock. So some writers thing that good form can beat the power cosmic or whatever.
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May 9, 2018 21:26
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JT Smiley posted:Strange didn't witness that happen so it's not like he knew that was an option. You're telling me that dude isn't aware that the magic circles he uses like a bus can huck off chunks of him if he shuts them too soon? The point is that it's irritating to show that as a potential option and not bother to handwave it in any way later.
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May 9, 2018 21:40
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JT Smiley posted:Strange didn't witness that happen so it's not like he knew that was an option. I'm not taking issue with the character aspect, I'm taking issue with the screenwriter aspect.
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May 9, 2018 21:41
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Karma Tornado posted:You're telling me that dude isn't aware that the magic circles he uses like a bus can huck off chunks of him if he shuts them too soon? Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The thing about IW and "Why didn't Strange do this?" is he looked through 14000651 futures on how to beat Thanos and got exactly 1 way to possibly win. That's why he did what he did and let it play out. It's not that he didn't think of it, it's that the only possible way to win against Thanos and the whole "half the universe dies forever" thing was what happened. They did handwave it, and literally every other scenario you are all spitballing here. How is this discussion even still happening?
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May 9, 2018 22:50
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Stupid_Sexy_Flander posted:The thing about IW and "Why didn't Strange do this?" is he looked through 14000651 futures on how to beat Thanos and got exactly 1 way to possibly win. That's why he did what he did and let it play out. It's not that he didn't think of it, it's that the only possible way to win against Thanos and the whole "half the universe dies forever" thing was what happened. Thanos has a great plan! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_wNZbgBPz1Q
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May 9, 2018 22:58
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food court bailiff posted:They did handwave it, and literally every other scenario you are all spitballing here. How is this discussion even still happening? Seriously. We are told that the way things happen is LITERALLY the only way they could have a chance of winning. If they used the sling ring to chop off his arm, there exists multitudes of probabilities that he would crush Mantis' throat and hold Peter's life as a bargaining chip or WHATEVER. It is a really convenient avenue for the writers to take, perhaps not the most interesting, but it is well within the logic of the movie.
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May 9, 2018 23:07
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Thor's pretty good at killing
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May 9, 2018 23:32
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Inzombiac posted:Seriously. Its also probably something where he can still gently caress everyone up without the gauntlet like he’s been doing. Leaving him with the gauntlet gives you a way to reverse him killing half the universe than if he goes and slaughters people the old fashioned way.
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May 10, 2018 00:01
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Ugly In The Morning posted:Its also probably something where he can still gently caress everyone up without the gauntlet like he’s been doing. Leaving him with the gauntlet gives you a way to reverse him killing half the universe than if he goes and slaughters people the old fashioned way. Yep! Thanos is the only one they know who can hold all of the stones AND use them. Killing him outright would be next to impossible before he had the stones. Once he has snapped his fingers, Thanos is probably the only one who can fix it. One thing I loved about the movie is that he fought Hulk right away so that we weren't waiting for Deus Ex Hulk. Thanos beat him so hard that he was scared of coming out for the rest of the movie. I wish they had a scene where Bruce internally spoke to Hulk and showed that Hulk was truly frightened.
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May 10, 2018 00:31
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SiKboy posted:Power levels are indeed meaningless, every character is as strong and tough as the story demands. Or more specifically they are exactly strong enough so that if they push... self... to... limit... they.... can... just... MAKE IT!!! Also the Hulks power level is variable even by comic book standards. Famously, the madder hulk gets the stronger hulk gets, and also Hulk is the strongest one there is. If you want to know about snapped necks, talk to zod
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May 10, 2018 01:28
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This is going to sound dumb, but I wish Infinity War gave us a 'little bit more' Thanos/Glove/Stones development to explain things a bit better. Strange seems to be the one to openly tell everyone "Don't Let Him Close His Fist" as a 'weakness', something he probably only learned through his efforts, but why shouldn't Thanos do 'that' all the time? Also, THIS is a MAJOR thing I'm surprised HASN'T become a huge geek rant about the film given every other comic book movie in the last decade... Peter Parker effectively plans and assists in the execution a calculated murder. I'm just surprised that moment hasn't become a more IIMM point for the film.
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May 10, 2018 04:23
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I'm more surprised an alien whose power is goddamn telekinesis dies from getting sucked into space. He can't just float back, telekinetically create a bubble of air around him, something? The other henchmen didn't have quite the degree of jedi powers but survived much more.
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May 10, 2018 04:30
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JediTalentAgent posted:Peter Parker effectively plans and assists in the execution a calculated murder. I'm just surprised that moment hasn't become a more IIMM point for the film. But he was a Bad Guy, why would they care about him? you're right
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May 10, 2018 04:45
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JediTalentAgent posted:Peter Parker effectively plans and assists in the execution a calculated murder. I'm just surprised that moment hasn't become a more IIMM point for the film. Meh, it's not like Spiderman doesn't kill people in other media. He's not Superman.
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May 10, 2018 05:02
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Away all Goats posted:Meh, it's not like Spiderman doesn't kill people in other media. He's not Superman. He's usually not like 15 though. I get what you're saying, but it is a valid take."
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May 10, 2018 05:19
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Panfilo posted:I'm more surprised an alien whose power is goddamn telekinesis dies from getting sucked into space. He can't just float back, telekinetically create a bubble of air around him, something? The other henchmen didn't have quite the degree of jedi powers but survived much more. did the alien bring some air in its pockets?
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May 10, 2018 05:21
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Someone comes into your house and starts wrecking poo poo and murders your room mates I don't think there's time for a nuanced take on the morality of murder. You take your shotgun and shoot the bitch in the head.
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May 10, 2018 05:22
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JediTalentAgent posted:Peter Parker effectively plans and assists in the execution a calculated murder. I'm just surprised that moment hasn't become a more IIMM point for the film. Maybe he thought they were just going to put him in space jail after they took the glove off. He's pretty young and and seems idealistic. Plus they never say kill Thanos, just stop him.
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May 10, 2018 05:25
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But I'm talking about the telekinetic guy who kidnapped Strange It's not even a big deal, but as I said, I'm just really surprised given how 'geek controversial' those moments have been in recent films that it hasn't specifically been generating more negativity.
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May 10, 2018 05:35
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It was an evil alien wizard, it's not like Peter helped them assassinate a foreign dictator.
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May 10, 2018 05:44
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In Handmaid's Tale the main protagonist is a christian woman even after being hosed over I'm waiting for the Type-O Negative song
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In comics and comic movies killing aliens doesn't count unless they're adorable. Also he's just in a sleep state. We'll just stuff him into this tiny space ship and let Rocket Racoon take care of the rest.
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May 10, 2018 06:25
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