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Anyone else find it weird that the high court lets Canavan off the hook and then proceeds to gently caress over every Labor member the LNP refers to them?
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Anidav posted:Anyone else find it weird that the high court lets Canavan off the hook and then proceeds to gently caress over every Labor member the LNP refers to them? You've been posting too long here to be this naive.
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May 11, 2018 03:20
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Zenithe posted:I'm not well versed on it, but noted excellent person Liz Carr wrote a fairly nuanced article about this topic Thanks, real good piece
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May 11, 2018 03:25
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The argument I've heard is that our society is ableist, so things could get substantially worse if you're disabled and want to live. As in, people think assisted dying is a cure-all (lol) and contributes to this idea disabled lives aren't worth living, so they shouldn't have to make buildings wheelchair accessible, fund disability services, etc. There's also the risk of someone opting to kill themselves not because they want to die on an objective level, more that they want to die because of it society is poo poo and treats them so badly.
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May 11, 2018 03:26
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Yeah but if the high court gives Aly the chop, a person with clear evidence of losing her Egyptian citizenship at the age of 6. Why was Canavan spared?
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May 11, 2018 03:26
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I just want to know at what point this is considered an ongoing, rolling election rather than a series of by-elections. Election now. Election forever
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May 11, 2018 03:29
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I just really hate Matt Canavan.
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May 11, 2018 03:37
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Anidav posted:Anyone else find it weird that the high court lets Canavan off the hook and then proceeds to gently caress over every Labor member the LNP refers to them? In the context of the decisions in Esso and also ABCC v CFMEU, no, not weird.
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May 11, 2018 03:37
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https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/994410153624551424
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May 11, 2018 03:46
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What the gently caress is that woman smiling and nodding about. Why is the background nodder still a thing it drives me nuts.
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May 11, 2018 03:49
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I did quite a bit of work on the Vic Voluntary Assisted Dying legislation and the attitude of the disabled community is very split. Without wanting to overly generalise, the divisions are generally between those who were born with it vs acquired in later life, and those whose disabilities were more or less unchanging, and those with degenerative conditions.
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May 11, 2018 03:49
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Whitlam posted:I did quite a bit of work on the Vic Voluntary Assisted Dying legislation and the attitude of the disabled community is very split. Without wanting to overly generalise, the divisions are generally between those who were born with it vs acquired in later life, and those whose disabilities were more or less unchanging, and those with degenerative conditions. That doesn't surprise me at all. Although I'm abled, this is something I care about a lot (as in, I went to a community forum recently and asked a load of questions about what their provisions were to make a planned redevelopment disability accessible (so it's not like I'm just paying lip service)). I'm really hesitant to support assisted dying since I feel like there's a very real and unmitigated risk that individuals with disabilities will be put into situations where the lack of services and support makes them feel so hopeless dying seems like the only logical way out. It's bad for society to present disability as only really tolerable if you're rich.
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May 11, 2018 04:17
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I think euthanasia should be legal, but you also know the minute it is some gently caress is gonna chuck a KPI on it.
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May 11, 2018 04:21
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froglet posted:There's also the risk of someone opting to kill themselves not because they want to die on an objective level, more that they want to die because of it society is poo poo and treats them so badly. There's a procession of assessment and doctoral opinion though, in a healthcare model of killing your self
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May 11, 2018 04:23
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Cleretic posted:I just want to know at what point this is considered an ongoing, rolling election rather than a series of by-elections. I moved to the States a couple of years ago... This is my reality.
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May 11, 2018 04:29
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Obviously each jurisdiction is different, but in Victoria if other factors are suspected, e.g. depression, the doctor can make psych referrals before authorising it. Imo it's pretty lovely and hypocritical of the disabled community to tell other members, particularly those with degenerative conditions, that they're being disabled wrong. As with any issue there's also a religious overlay that can't be ignored, especially for those who see it as God challenging them vs those who don't. For me, it's an issue of personal choice like any other. Don't want it? Great, don't get it. But don't stop other people. Also as part of the Vic legislation more money is being put into palliative care services, so it's definitely not going to be ignored or neglected (not saying anyone here has suggested it will be, jist one of the concerns I've heard).
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May 11, 2018 04:31
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Zenithe posted:I think euthanasia should be legal, but you also know the minute it is some gently caress is gonna chuck a KPI on it. Dear Centrelink Officer, only seventeen customers who have interacted with you have chosen euthanasia this quarter. If your numbers for the next quarter do not significantly improve you will be placed on performance review.
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May 11, 2018 04:31
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Looks like Australia is back in the mass shooting business. 7 dead including 4 kids around Margaret River.
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May 11, 2018 04:33
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Solemn Sloth posted:Looks like Australia is back in the mass shooting business. 7 dead including 4 kids around Margaret River. Murder-suicide, three adults and four children...I'm 99% sure it's going to be the old 'dude gets angry at ex-wife and kills her, her new partner, and their kids before offing himself' chestnut.
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May 11, 2018 04:37
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Hopefully that can put the kibosh on all this stupid adler import gun poo poo if nothing else.
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May 11, 2018 04:37
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We will need Adlers to protect are kids now
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May 11, 2018 04:39
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arm all women
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May 11, 2018 04:39
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Ban all men.
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May 11, 2018 04:41
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Arm all children A regulated malitia to defend against hosed up dads
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May 11, 2018 04:42
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The Peccadillo posted:Arm all children That's the problem.
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May 11, 2018 04:44
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Whitlam posted:Ban all men.
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May 11, 2018 04:47
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Whitlam posted:Obviously each jurisdiction is different, but in Victoria if other factors are suspected, e.g. depression, the doctor can make psych referrals before authorising it. Yeah, my main concern is that personal choices don't happen in a vacuum - I want to make sure people are adequately supported before making this choice rather than feeling backed into a corner. 
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May 11, 2018 04:48
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A friend of mines mum was killed by her dad in front of her and her sister and now he is out of jail so they live a cool life of low key perpetual fear on top of the PTSD.
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May 11, 2018 04:49
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Whitlam posted:Ban all men. agreed
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May 11, 2018 04:53
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endman
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May 11, 2018 04:57
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Birdstrike posted:endman endmen
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May 11, 2018 04:58
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If you check out the mass shootings in the US, as defined by four or more people being shot, the vast majority is some guy killing his wife and children
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May 11, 2018 04:58
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did the budget contain any new money for family violence prevention?
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May 11, 2018 05:03
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The Before Times posted:did the budget contain any new money for a statue of captain cook? Yes.
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May 11, 2018 05:19
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Whitlam posted:Ban all men. Yeah, well let's see you try opening the jar without our help  But I have to agree with the view on men, we're just aggressive arseholes who just like to cause violence
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May 11, 2018 05:41
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The Before Times posted:did the budget contain any new money for family violence prevention? Probably received the same amount of attention as climate action does.
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May 11, 2018 05:42
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You Am I posted:Yeah, well let's see you try opening the jar without our help that's what the gun is for! idiot!
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May 11, 2018 05:44
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it'll be cool having all the US gun nuts bring up this murder suicide whenever Australia and gun reform is mentioned in the future.
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May 11, 2018 05:44
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When that (underfunded and limited in scope) royal commission you never wanted happens and it starts to hurt your mates and party doners, what do you do? Defund the regulator! http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/breakfast/asic/9750398 quote:ASIC loses $28 million in funding under 2018 budget
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drunkill posted:it'll be cool having all the US gun nuts bring up this murder suicide whenever Australia and gun reform is mentioned in the future. If you're comparing america to any other culture regarding guns you're a lost cause anyway.
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