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Powered Descent posted:
Also Comedy Central era vs Sci-fi Channel era. I used to have a friend who was also a big MSTie, and when we were discussing favorite episodes, I mentioned classics like Pumaman, Werewolf, and Space Mutiny. His response was "I don't watch that era because Bobo and Brain Guy are stupid." This was mid to late '00s. Nerd snobs never change.
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Just look up some of the reactions to Jodie Whittaker being cast as the new Doctor Who Or better yet, don't.
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May 13, 2018 15:19
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Nerds fear change more than anything. The Mike vs Joel thing always struck me as one of those cute proto-internet culture bits. I always took it as a funny thing to fight over but we all loved the show right? I thought that till I got to college and met a girl who refused to acknowledge that Mike existed and would complain loudly if one of his episodes or the movie got put on in the Dorm Common Room. She was weird though and wanted people to call her by pokemon-persona so no one cared. Anyone who thinks the new season isn't real MST3K is missing out on Cry Wilderness, Carnival Magic, and Starcrash which are all fantastic riffs for any era of the show. Great bits in Hollow Mountain and the Wizards movies as well. Talk about missing out.
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May 13, 2018 16:13
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Crazy Ferret posted:Nerds fear change more than anything. The latest version is a jolt because in the original runs, the changes took place gradually.
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May 13, 2018 16:28
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Mister Kingdom posted:The latest version is a jolt because in the original runs, the changes took place gradually. I mean, you don't get much more gradual change than nearly two decades off the air
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May 13, 2018 16:51
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Burkion posted:I mean, you don't get much more gradual change than nearly two decades off the air If youre streaming them in order you go from replacing one cast member at a time/introducing them one at a time and a linear improvement in production values to a jump to all new people in every single role and a new look for the ship. Its a ship of theseus but instead of going plank by plank you just refurbished the whole darn thing. New season is great, for the record.
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May 13, 2018 17:11
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The new season has two episodes (Avalanche and Cry Wilderness) I have in my personal top 10, and two more (Starcrash and Carnival Magic) just outside. Season 11 blew me away.
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May 13, 2018 17:19
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My 5 year old daughter prefers Mike to Joel and can sing the season 5/6 "Deep 13" version of the theme verbatim from memory. I'm a good dad.
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May 13, 2018 17:21
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The Christmas episode is also totally amazing and everything about it is top tier.
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May 13, 2018 17:24
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I didn't even know Joel existed for years because I was too young to have seen the show before the Sci Fi era. Even to this day the list of episodes I've seen skew heavily towards the Mike years. Brain Guy is good.
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May 13, 2018 17:25
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I started watching Mike and still favour him, but the others are fine too and the dynamic is different every time. I love all of this doofy show and that 'Pompeii' video makes me misty-eyed.
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May 13, 2018 17:35
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I vastly prefer Mike, but I’ve learned to appreciate what Joel brings to the table, and I eventually fell in love with Trace and Frank as The Mads. And Jonah’s a strong second. My best friend (who is straight-up ride or die for Mike) gets all sorts of bad vibes from him, though, and refuses to watch his episodes. (It doesn’t help that she HATED his performance at the reunion show.)
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May 13, 2018 17:55
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Mantis42 posted:I didn't even know Joel existed for years because I was too young to have seen the show before the Sci Fi era. Even to this day the list of episodes I've seen skew heavily towards the Mike years. Me too! I even watched old episodes on YouTube in high school and somehow they were all Mike ones. The only Joel episodes I knew were the ones I had on DVD which were Manos and Santa Claus conquers the Martians. Then I started hearing about the show possibly coming back a couple years ago and started looking it up and realized I was totally unaware of like 2/3rd of the show. I'm kinda ashamed to admit it but in high school I would skip or tune out for almost 100% of the host segments because I just wanted to watch the movie and riffs. In my defense I had undiagnosed ADHD at the time. For what it's worth, I recently showed a guy I had been dating Teenagers from Outer Space followed by Starcrash and he strongly preferred Starcrash and said the new ones seemed better to him partly because the references were more recent. He was vaguely aware of the show before this but had just seen it in passing. So people who don't have the nostalgia aspect may actually prefer the new episodes. Obviously it's n of 1 so I didn't do a loving research study or anything lol. Also there are better old episodes I probably could have shown. But I found it interesting. I love all the hosts. They all have their own strengths and weaknesses.
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May 13, 2018 17:57
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I like both of them, but Joel feels more like comfort food to me, while Mike has ever the slightest amount of edge. From a quality of episode standpoint, Mike benefits greatly from the show being a fully formed machine by the point he took over.
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May 13, 2018 18:00
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Mister Kingdom posted:The latest version is a jolt because in the original runs, the changes took place gradually. This is fair but I do think it lands well and gets into its own groove pretty quick. The Monster Rap and everything that is Cry Wilderness basically told me the show was in good hands from the get go. It is a bit jarring I will say that. I just cannot imagine people sitting though some of the episodes we've mentioned and saying that this is not another good, if different iteration of the show. Mantis42 posted:I didn't even know Joel existed for years because I was too young to have seen the show before the Sci Fi era. Even to this day the list of episodes I've seen skew heavily towards the Mike years. This is me. I'd seen one or two Joel episodes before the Sci-Fi Era where I fell in love with the show. It took a while to come around to Joel but I will say the Turkey Day marathons really fixed that. Getting a selection of the best of both eras was great for introducing me to the parts I missed.
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May 13, 2018 18:03
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Yeah, I didn't know Joel existed until I found a copy of Mitchell at my local rental place and was astonished to see some sleepy-eyed guy where Mike should have been, not to mention a completely different pair of mad scientists. The twist at the end wasn't a surprise, though.
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May 13, 2018 18:25
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I'm just going to come right out and say it. The new hallway sequence is far superior than the amusingly random junk doors. I love looking at all the room models. The level of quality is great, while still feeling home made. Also the background music is so good. I always get the tune to the oh Canada song randomly stuck in my head.
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May 13, 2018 18:31
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Mike + Dr. Forrester and Frank is probably when the show was at it's best in my opinion (not that the other stuff is bad mind you, though the first season and especially the KTMA days are really rough to sit through). Crow has never had a bad voice as far as I'm concerned though if I had to choose a favorite I'd probably go with Trace. Still not a fan of Weinstein's Servo though. Once they brought in Kevin Murphy and Frank the show finally started to find its footing.
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May 13, 2018 18:33
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I have no strong feelings about whether Joel or Mike is "better" but I find myself watching Mike episodes more for some reason.
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May 13, 2018 18:39
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I think it helps that in Canada, it never aired so my only exposures were random and all over the place so i never really got consistent hosts or mads.
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May 13, 2018 18:55
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Mike kind of wins out because by the time he took over they had everything down pat, while the Joel years still had some rough spots.
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May 13, 2018 19:03
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remusclaw posted:I like both of them, but Joel feels more like comfort food to me, while Mike has ever the slightest amount of edge. It's basically the dynamic of Joel being the "sitcom single dad" of the 'bots vs. Mike (and now Jonah, too) just being one of the guys with 'em. Joel's stuff generally tended to be warmer and slightly more good-natured in tone, whereas Mike (who the other MST3K guys have said has a very dark sense of humor) wasn't afraid to be a little more cutting with the riffs and host segments. It's even apparent in the set design and lighting (the brighter "beige" tones of Joel's era vs. the darker blues and purples of Mike's era). Both are still great, just in different ways.
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May 13, 2018 19:04
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One interesting effect that happens from this When Mike gets angry at a movie, that's nothing special. When JOEL gets angry at a movie, that sticks out
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May 13, 2018 19:08
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I can smell (and see!) the weed smoke from the Joel episodes. That makes them better.
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May 13, 2018 19:35
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Larryb posted:Mike + Dr. Forrester and Frank is probably when the show was at it's best in my opinion... I've made this point before in this thread, but this era (especially S6) has in my opinion the best host segments of the entire series.
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May 13, 2018 20:56
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I think I agree but it's like picking the best candy, and none of the options are Smarties. Everyone brought great stuff to the show.
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May 13, 2018 21:27
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My only real opinion is that Trace and Mary Jo are the weakest mad pairing, but they’re not debilitating to the show. The characters just don’t play off of each other right.
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May 13, 2018 22:30
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business hammocks posted:My only real opinion is that Trace and Mary Jo are the weakest mad pairing, but they’re not debilitating to the show. The characters just don’t play off of each other right. I can agree with that. Also Pearl didn't become that interesting of a character until the reboot when she got to be more than just Clayton's mother.
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May 13, 2018 22:42
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Mike vs Joel stuff is dumb because Mike was always a major writer for the show so good chance your favorite Joel joke was written by Mike or whatever. Also probably most of the music too? I like Mike the best but will gladly watch any season. I do hope 12 improves some things, though.
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May 13, 2018 22:47
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twistedmentat posted:I think it helps that in Canada, it never aired so my only exposures were random and all over the place so i never really got consistent hosts or mads. It actually aired in Canada. I used to watch it all the time, but I'm pretty sure it was harder to find once they went to SciFi and Mike took over. It might have depended on your affiliate or something -- I was in Manitoba so we'd get a lot of Minnesota programming but I can't remember where it was coming from. I also remember that when MST3K The Movie opened here at a local arthouse theatre the place was packed, so Canadians were definitely watching the show.
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May 14, 2018 01:36
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I was always a Joel fan growing up because the same ten episodes were on all the time. Not that I don't like Mike, but I didn't watch it on SciFi channel as much; the only reason I remember watching space mutiny on tv is calgon getting "killed" with methane. (And his eyes open...)
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May 14, 2018 02:01
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Light Gun Man posted:Mike vs Joel stuff is dumb because Mike was always a major writer for the show so good chance your favorite Joel joke was written by Mike or whatever. Also probably most of the music too? I always get a kick out of seeing Mike play random bit parts during the Joel era. Like when he was Glen from war of the colossal beast or that guy that sang the gamera song in some kinda lounge singer style.
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May 14, 2018 02:37
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Mike was the first one I ever saw, and I'm another person as a little kid that was taken back when I saw joel on the box of mst3k vhs tapes at a store, wondering who was this guy. I liked them all though, everyone did a great job and brought something to it, and this new season has been no different. The only person though I get a twinge of sadness seeing replaced is Kevin. His voice and delivery, his singing, and just general attitude as Servo was always my favorite thing about the show, and outside of the shakey public access, and 1st season, was there the whole time. I'm fine with the new guy, and the new season was good fun so I'm not complaining, but it just is kinda sad to me deep down not seeing *my* Tom Servo anymore.
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May 14, 2018 03:34
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Yeah. Nothing against Baron, but Kevin is irreplaceable in a way none of the others was.
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May 14, 2018 04:55
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I stopped watching the show when it moved to SciFi, and to this day I still prefer the Comedy Central episodes. Bad movies from the 50s and 60s are definitely in my wheelhouse, but those later seasons are far more reliant on contemporary movies.
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May 14, 2018 06:18
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InfiniteZero posted:It actually aired in Canada. I used to watch it all the time, but I'm pretty sure it was harder to find once they went to SciFi and Mike took over. It might have depended on your affiliate or something -- I was in Manitoba so we'd get a lot of Minnesota programming but I can't remember where it was coming from. Weird, it didn't show at all in Nova Scotia or Ontario. Every tape we could get was like gold, so precious and rare. The first episode I ever saw was Godzilla vs Megalon, which a friend had picked up when they were at a convention in the US, and I was hooked.
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May 14, 2018 08:39
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I kind of grew up with Mike Era MST3K (especially Sci-Fi era) so he'll always be my favorite host if you put me on the spot and make me choose, but all three of them are fantastic. I'd love (if they could convince Mike to come back) to somehow get all three in the theater for a segment to riff together.
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May 14, 2018 12:31
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Simplex posted:I stopped watching the show when it moved to SciFi, and to this day I still prefer the Comedy Central episodes. Bad movies from the 50s and 60s are definitely in my wheelhouse, but those later seasons are far more reliant on contemporary movies. the newer movies make me less sleepy so I tend to like the later seasons better
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May 14, 2018 13:34
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remusclaw posted:I like both of them, but Joel feels more like comfort food to me, while Mike has ever the slightest amount of edge. From a quality of episode standpoint, Mike benefits greatly from the show being a fully formed machine by the point he took over. the biggest difference imo between joel vs. mike (and why mike was the host during the golden age of seasons 8-10) is that they were forced to do sci-fi films, which were relatively more contemporary than the often boring old mid 50's teenager films in black and white not only did mst3k get better over time with experience but many of the films were just themselves painful slogs during the joel years Dixville posted:I always get a kick out of seeing Mike play random bit parts during the Joel era. Like when he was Glen from war of the colossal beast or that guy that sang the gamera song in some kinda lounge singer style. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQR78U6zvGI
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My cable package as a child had Comedy Central, but not the Syfy channel, so Mitchell was basically the series finale for me. I didn't catch Mike episodes until reruns years later.
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