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Shore bombardment is very effective at damaging airbases and destroying planes on the field. I would send the raiders at Manus as a stopgap measure. One or two bombardments should suppress it enough that your bombers from Rabaul will have an easy time keeping it out of operation.
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Bold Robot posted:Shore bombardment is very effective at damaging airbases and destroying planes on the field. I would send the raiders at Manus as a stopgap measure. One or two bombardments should suppress it enough that your bombers from Rabaul will have an easy time keeping it out of operation.
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May 15, 2018 18:25
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Yeah, Charnel House looks actually a lot less insane than I'd expected. That attack by ~7000 IJA troops had nearly the same AV as ~400,000 chinese defenders. If that's the state of all their troops, they're pretty hosed.  Also, spend a month planning for that invasion. (Also, perhaps pull out the KB for a while to replenish their airgroups and do some pilot training?) uPen posted:-IJN High Command, 1942 regarding suppressing the airfield on Guadalcanal To be fair, he's got a hell of a lot firmer command of the seas, and a major base that's a good deal closer to operate from.
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May 15, 2018 19:40
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Magni posted:Yeah, Charnel House looks actually a lot less insane than I'd expected. That attack by ~7000 IJA troops had nearly the same AV as ~400,000 chinese defenders. If that's the state of all their troops, they're pretty hosed.
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May 15, 2018 19:47
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DTurtle posted:Actually, that AV is that of all the troops in the hex. So the AV is even. I do hope that Grey will bombard for quite some time before attacking.... What, and let the IJN get all the credit for their victories on the seas? We've been waiting in a holding pattern for months, while they gain all the honors! One good hard push and we will slaughter the Chinese and show those Naval twits what true honor is.
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May 15, 2018 19:54
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What's the forts level in chunkking? And how many artillery pieces and tanks do you have surrounding it? From the looks of it you've brought almost entirely infantry.
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May 15, 2018 20:00
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Yeah, a single bombardment is pointless, but you're in sprint range for smashing the place every night.
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May 15, 2018 20:21
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Planning? Like for an invasion? Sounds like Navy talk to me. Full speed into the breach!
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May 15, 2018 20:23
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Very excited by the prospect of Japanese amphibious assaults this late in the war.
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May 15, 2018 20:48
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Does he have to start using a HQ to plan an invasion or do you think you have enough force superiority to not make this an issue Grey?
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May 15, 2018 21:33
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wedgekree posted:Does he have to start using a HQ to plan an invasion or do you think you have enough force superiority to not make this an issue Grey? Units also fight better if they are within range of an HQ (and can sometimes get bonuses from multiple HQs) but I think that’s independent of the whole planning thing. Since HQs don’t really fight but instead provide bonuses to nearby units, I’m not sure if having them plan is all that useful, other than to avoid losses during unloading in an amphibious assault. Bold Robot fucked around with this message at 22:28 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 22:24
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Finish up the AAR by landing on the West Coast and giving LA to the Emperor as a Christmas present. On which subject, there's a guaranteed to be hilarious AAR over on the Matrix forums right now where the current Allied player took over when the first Allied player ragequit after the Japanese landed in an undefended Portland in January 1942 and instantly destroyed all of the ships that would have arrived there for the rest of the game.
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May 15, 2018 22:34
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...wait, how many ships is that? Can you do that to other west coast cities and shut down huge chunks of their late game fleet?
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May 15, 2018 22:45
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Grey Hunter posted:So I've decided I need to invade Munda. I'm loading a division from Rabaul to go do the job. Grey Hunter posted:How did you get there? Are we going to invade ourselves? As of 9 May we still controlled Munda. What have you been hiding from us with all of those strategically placed action summaries?  I assume you mean Manus, but I still laughed
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
ThatBasqueGuy posted:...wait, how many ships is that? Can you do that to other west coast cities and shut down huge chunks of their late game fleet? 46 CVE 183 xAK 43 SC 77 TK 4 AM 28 LST 5 AK 14 YMS 3 AKA 10 APA And theoretically you can mess up Allied air and naval production pretty badly for the rest of the game, but it requires the Allied player to pretty much strip the starting garrison of the WC, not reinforce it or build any forts, and not have enough air search and attack aircraft to shut it down. It also usually should take a pretty substantial Japanese troop and ship commitment, and you're likely to lose a lot of them if you stay more than a few days.
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May 16, 2018 01:39
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No BB or CV? Are the Allies even going to notice?
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May 16, 2018 02:01
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:No BB or CV? Are the Allies even going to notice? The game is a 4-5 year logistics simulator with occasional battles interspersed, so yes 
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14 May 1944 USS Bonefish torpedoes the destroyer Inazuma off Borneo; RAF Coastal Command sinks the German minesweeper M-435 near Ameland.
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May 16, 2018 02:29
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The Sandman posted:
... How did an Allied player not notice a Japanese invasion of the West Coast for a week? ... Macarthur was in charge wasn't he
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Deep Dish Fuckfest posted:No BB or CV? Are the Allies even going to notice? It's over half of the CVEs they get throughout the war, so that's a lot of embedded air cover for invasions that suddenly won't be there. The tankers are also probably annoying to lose. Bigger thing is it's a huge pile of VPs.
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:...wait, how many ships is that? Can you do that to other west coast cities and shut down huge chunks of their late game fleet? I believe most of the other ships would appear on the "Eastern USA" base, which is unreachable. wedgekree posted:... How did an Allied player not notice a Japanese invasion of the West Coast for a week? The two sides of the conversation are basically: * it is unfair to expect the Allied player to have to prepare for such an eventuality, because it would be wildly unrealistic for the Japanese to even try to attempt this in real-life * it's completely fair to expect the Allied player to have to prepare for this, especially since the game actually does model ground forces even on the West Coast at a level of detail that would allow them to garrison Seattle and make the invasion impenetrable using actual historical units making actual historical moves. It wasn't unrealistic for the Japanese to attempt this just because, it was unrealistic for the Japanese to attempt this because the IRL United States really did fortify themselves against such an attack.
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May 16, 2018 03:42
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Generation Internet posted:The game is a 4-5 year logistics simulator with occasional battles interspersed, so yes It would be fun to make a game called WWII logistics simulator that was just logistics. You only hear about combat from reports. Maybe you can watch it happen like in Football Manager.
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May 16, 2018 05:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:I believe most of the other ships would appear on the "Eastern USA" base, which is unreachable. What an idiotic argument. It's unrealistic for anyone to play as the Japanese, because in real life they had no chance. This game is about doing the unrealistic, from the outset. If you want to play a game with someone, you'd better be ready for them to play the Japanese ahistorically, because that's their only option if they want to do well.
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May 16, 2018 05:32
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It's unrealistic to play as the Japanese because there should always be two Japanese players and they should be chosen based on how badly they hate each other.
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May 16, 2018 05:36
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PittTheElder posted:It's unrealistic to play as the Japanese because there should always be two Japanese players and they should be chosen based on how badly they hate each other. Would unironically play WWII Imperial Japan Interservice Sabotage Simulator.
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May 16, 2018 05:42
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BUG JUG posted:Would unironically play WWII Imperial Japan Interservice Sabotage Simulator. You win by having future historians blame the other service for Japan's loss.
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Leperflesh posted:What an idiotic argument. It's unrealistic for anyone to play as the Japanese, because in real life they had no chance. This game is about doing the unrealistic, from the outset. If you want to play a game with someone, you'd better be ready for them to play the Japanese ahistorically, because that's their only option if they want to do well. So the obvious response is 'sometimes stupid works'. Spectactularly so
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BUG JUG posted:Would unironically play WWII Imperial Japan Interservice Sabotage Simulator. it's called decisive campaigns: operation barbarossa stop stealing my panzers high octane fuel for your planes goring! they aren't going to capture moscow when my tanks are stuck without gas in the middle of the steppe
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pthighs posted:It would be fun to make a game called WWII logistics simulator that was just logistics. You only hear about combat from reports. Maybe you can watch it happen like in Football Manager. Would LP this.
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PittTheElder posted:It's unrealistic to play as the Japanese because there should always be two Japanese players and they should be chosen based on how badly they hate each other. A game where each faction was an independent game, just nightmare stuff IJN vs IJA + USN, USAAF, US Marines, US Army, RN, RAF, Chinese Nationalists, Chinese Communists, Netherlands, Commonwealth..... benzine fucked around with this message at 16:42 on May 16, 2018 |
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GhostofJohnMuir posted:it's called decisive campaigns: operation barbarossa Decisive Campaigns: Pacific [ ] No, gently caress off, MacArthur [ ] No, gently caress off, MacArthur [ ] No, gently caress off, MacArthur [ ] No, gently caress off, MacArthur
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   The carriers fend off a strike.  The carriers bombers are doing great work – that's a nice heavily laden troop transport!  The Manus Dauntlesses give me a bit of a scare, but it's all good in the end.  Feels good man.  I think this is not going to make the papers. Censors away!  Look, I specifically said to attack Manus.  We one-shot a destroyer.  This one protects my subs.   They have at least two carrier groups and a whole load of other ships out here.   There is no counter attack in Chunking, so it looks like I'm going to have to do all the heavy lifting. I'll start a week of bombardment tomorrow before the attacks go in. The city is surrounded, and they have to be low on supplies, so I can run those down a bit beforehand.  We are now 60% of the way to our target!
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May 16, 2018 17:49
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Naming a ship after Custer Uff da
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A big APA that's worth about as much as a light cruiser packed full of 1000 troops and their equipment. Oof.
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May 16, 2018 18:03
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Could this new carrier group be the one to actually buzz Rabul and put it down for good!? fake e. of course it won't, they'll beach their carriers on Wake and lose half of them to the shore guns.
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May 16, 2018 18:11
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You're doing real good at murdering the APAs. They are gonna feel it.
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Grey Hunter posted:There is no counter attack in Chunking, so it looks like I'm going to have to do all the heavy lifting. I'll start a week of bombardment tomorrow before the attacks go in. The city is surrounded, and they have to be low on supplies, so I can run those down a bit beforehand.
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Pickled Tink posted:Why haven't you been bombarding them constantly for the last year? It took a while to march all those troops and all those guns overland across a bunch of hills without any roads, I think.
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May 17, 2018 00:49
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Grey's had a huge force camped at Chunking for a year.
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Pay no attention to the lacklustre Chungking bombardment campaign behind the curtain. Grey Hunter just sunk another brigade of Americans! At this rate, he's probably going to end up sending more Americans to the briny depths than died in both theatres of the actual World War.
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