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Dannywilson posted:I have so many questions. So many. well start asking.
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Finger Prince posted:
Aresnautical Insanity: my crew day is 37 minutes longer.
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Wingnut Ninja posted:Aresnautical Insanity: my crew day is 37 minutes longer. Aresnautical Insanity: shorter duty days than a regional pilot E- oh wait I think I hosed that up. Finger Prince fucked around with this message at 04:13 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 04:09
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Kilonum posted:well start asking. I mean lets start with the pod on the wing, is that a weather radar array? Why front it with clear perspex? Is there another one on the tip of the other wing? Why are there tiny jet engines and feathered props? What's going on with the forward gun emplacement turned into a... comms array? e: why are the pitot tubes that long!? ee: what is up with that giant belly radome!? spookykid fucked around with this message at 04:47 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 04:44
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Dannywilson posted:I mean lets start with the pod on the wing, is that a weather radar array? Why front it with clear perspex? Is there another one on the tip of the other wing? Why are there tiny jet engines and feathered props? What's going on with the forward gun emplacement turned into a... comms array? Just a guess: its a engine test bed, the weird stuff is all instruments, they're doing a test run at altitude on the jets only.
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Dannywilson posted:I mean lets start with the pod on the wing, is that a weather radar array? Why front it with clear perspex? Is there another one on the tip of the other wing? Why are there tiny jet engines and feathered props? What's going on with the forward gun emplacement turned into a... comms array? Well the P2V Neptune is a naval patrol plane, which implies submarine hunting, which implies all sorts of sensors, which explains the wingtip pod and front antenna. (It was never a gun). Planes of that era started introducing jets as addons just for extra takeoff performance, that were usually shut down in cruise for economy. (Earlier versions of all, or almost all, of them, didn't have the jets). The piston engines were shut down for a "LOL check this out" type picture. Other such examples are the B-36 and C-119.
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vessbot posted:Well the P2V Neptune is a naval patrol plane, which implies submarine hunting, which implies all sorts of sensors, which explains the wingtip pod and front antenna. (It was never a gun). Planes of that era started introducing jets as addons just for extra takeoff performance, that were usually shut down in cruise for economy. (Earlier versions of all, or almost all, of them, didn't have the jets). The piston engines were shut down for a "LOL check this out" type picture. I mean it wasn't a gun in practice, but it was designed in an era where it was totally a gunner's spot. I'm not jumping on you guys for talking about this beautiful weird plane, just as an avionics guy this thing has so many "wait wut is that" parts on it. spookykid fucked around with this message at 04:59 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 04:56
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Dannywilson posted:I mean lets start with the pod on the wing, is that a weather radar array? Why front it with clear perspex? Is there another one on the tip of the other wing? Why are there tiny jet engines and feathered props? What's going on with the forward gun emplacement turned into a... comms array? The pod is a giant searchlight believe it or not mounted in front of the starboard wingtip fuel tank only. This P2V Neptune was designed for maritime patrol during WWII so therefore gun turrets, but it ended up an early dedicated ASW platform. Hence the searchlight and other enhancements.The nose was stuffed with Magnetic Anomaly Detection gear (they just left the old nose in place -- later models got a clearer view) and the large radome was for large AN/APS-20 air search radar. The jet pods were used for takeoff assistance mainly but my guess is this was a test or some sort of major fuckup. Pepperoneedy fucked around with this message at 05:05 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 05:00
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Ok, the more I hear about this big beautiful plane that don't need no subs the more I'm intrigued.
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May 15, 2018 05:09
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Dannywilson posted:Ok, the more I hear about this big beautiful plane that don't need no subs the more I'm intrigued. The Truculent Turtle was an amazing mission. So, the Navy was acutely aware that the future of war and more importantly the future of funding was Atom Bombs. So, in 1946 they did a PR stunt to demonstrate their INTERCONTINENTAL BOMBER CAPACITY. But stripping a Neptune of everything but the passenger seat, filling it with aux fuel, took off with JATO bottles, and flew it unrefulled from Perth, Australia, to Columbus Ohio with a supercargo of one baby kangaroo. Set an all-class unrefuelled distance record that held into the 60's, and the reciprocating record that held till Rutan's Voyager. The actual aircraft is at the Naval Aviation Museum in Pensacola, and you can put your noseprints all over it. Oh, and other thing, the jets on all these compound-thrust weirdos burned Avgas, rather than JetA. Makes sense, but I had wondered if they had separate tankage. Slo-Tek fucked around with this message at 05:19 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 05:15
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Dannywilson posted:I mean it wasn't a gun in practice, but it was designed in an era where it was totally a gunner's spot. I don't feel jumped on, I took your questions at face value and answered them as such. Pepperoneedy provided better answers.
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Dannywilson posted:Ok, the more I hear about this big beautiful plane that don't need no subs the more I'm intrigued. A sub is a boat that thinks he's sneak And is also known as a u-boat Always skulkin' bout undersea And just hides on its shady rear end So yeah, I wanna find your MAD sig Yeah, I want to see you hidin' Yeah, I am gonna meet you somewhere Yeah, gunna take all of your time and No, I don't want no sub Sub is the boat that gon' get depth charged by me Hangin' out under the sea With a hole in his side Trying to hide from me
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Marathanes posted:A sub is a boat that thinks he's sneak
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I bet CNN is excited!quote:MH370 experts think they’ve finally solved the mystery of the doomed Malaysia Airlines flight quote:They suspect that the plane's 2014 disappearance and apparent crash was a suicide by the 53-year-old Zaharie — and a premeditated act of mass murder. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...=nl_most&wpmm=1 It’s pure baseless speculation.
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May 15, 2018 16:53
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My warning bells went off when it started "MH370 Experts". Not "Experts from the NTSB" or "Experts from an internationally appointed investigation committee" or etc... You know, something that would actually indicate they were experts.
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May 15, 2018 19:54
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Murgos posted:My warning bells went off when it started "MH370 Experts". Not "Experts from the NTSB" or "Experts from an internationally appointed investigation committee" or etc... You know, something that would actually indicate they were experts. quote:But the “60 Minutes” team — which included aviation specialists, the former Australian Transport Safety Bureau chief in charge of investigating MH370's crash NTSB is not involved because it was a European plane that went down flying from Malaysia to China that may have crashed in Australia. Theres no evidence to point anywhere so the hunch of the ATSB investigator is all we have and his hypothesis can't be confirmed or denied without finding the plane.
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May 15, 2018 19:59
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is it really that difficult for people to believe "it crashed in the ocean and the ocean is really, really big and deep" like there are hundreds of planes that have "disappeared" in the bermuda triangle and that's only like 50 miles off the coast of florida. the pacific/indian ocean is thousands of times larger and more desolate
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May 15, 2018 20:34
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Marathanes posted:A sub is a boat that thinks he's sneak This is good but you missed the opportunity to rhyme "magnetic an-om-a-ly" with "me".
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May 15, 2018 20:50
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I wonder how long I’ll be until someone finds it. 50 years? 100?
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May 15, 2018 21:20
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Looks like the co-pilot was a lot luckier than the last time this happened and they manged to pull him back in during flight. https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/airplane-mode/sichuan-airlines-co-pilot-sucked-halfway-out-cockpit-window-pilot-n874326%22 Wonder if it was maintainence using the wrong screws again.
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May 15, 2018 21:37
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hobbesmaster posted:NTSB is not involved because it was a European plane that went down flying from Malaysia to China that may have crashed in Australia. So the NTSB doesn’t get involved in all cases involved with a Boeing jet? Or is that more of a guideline depending on things like local resources and whatnot? I was always told the rule was if the location was in US airspace, or the airline, manufacturer of the fuselage, engine or avionics was US based then the NTSB would get involved. Solkanar512 fucked around with this message at 23:04 on May 15, 2018 |
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May 15, 2018 23:02
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Solkanar512 posted:So the NTSB doesn’t get involved in all cases involved with a Boeing jet? Or is that more of a guideline depending on things like local resources and whatnot? I feel like that would put the NTSB in any incident that ever occurred. Of course they have a wealth of knowledge, and I guess it depends on your exact definition of avionics but there’s got to be US parts (as in from a US manufacturer) on every single commercial airliner out there. (Probably the same for the big European manufacturers also).
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May 15, 2018 23:14
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I am a dummy and thought it was an A330 instead of a 777 for a moment. The NTSB would be involved with regards to any problems with the airframe itself.
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May 15, 2018 23:32
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hobbesmaster posted:NTSB is not involved because it was a European plane that went down flying from Malaysia to China that may have crashed in Australia. NTSB is still involved as it was a Boeing with GE engines and Honeywell avionics (all US companies)... part of the reason the NTSB has so much experience with air crash investigations is the fact the country of aircraft, engine and/or avionics manufacture is involved in the investigation, and the (shrinking) majority of airliners are built in the US.
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May 15, 2018 23:56
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well that's just one of the privileges you get when you're the country that invented aviation
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Solkanar512 posted:So the NTSB doesn’t get involved in all cases involved with a Boeing jet? Or is that more of a guideline depending on things like local resources and whatnot? I think that unless the accident happens in the US or involves a US carrier, the NTSB will only get involved if the country where the accident happened asks them to step in. azflyboy fucked around with this message at 06:48 on May 16, 2018 |
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They assert investigative authority for any incidents involving aircraft registered or owned by US entities, but in cases that don't fit those conditions but have US manufactured components or interests they maintain availability to provide expert insight and investigative resources to foreign governments and agencies.quote:If an accident or serious incident occurs in a foreign state involving a civil aircraft of U.S. Registry, a U.S. operator, or an aircraft of U.S. design or U.S. manufacture, where the foreign state is a signator to the ICAO Convention, that state is responsible for the investigation. In accord with the ICAO Annex 13 SARPS, upon receipt of a formal notification of the accident or serious incident that may involve significant issues, the NTSB may designate a U.S. Accredited Representative and appoint advisors to carry out the Obligations, receive the Entitlements, provide Consultation, and receive Safety Recommendations from the state of occurrence. They will literally stand on the sidelines and pester the investigating authority "You sure? Well in our experience. We've seen..." Until they relent or tell them to gently caress off.
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xergm posted:FSEconomy feels boring and clinical. Take cargo, turn on autopilot, land, get paid. That's really all there is. The only problem I have with FSEconomy is what you said: it's too easy. At least in poo poo like Euro Truck Simulator it's hands-on, you need to be paying attention at all times. I still use FSEconomy because it gives me an excuse to go to different places. I'd be playing FSX anyway, so it's an improvement. Wish there was an addon that forced you to follow proper procedures and that kinda thing
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Inacio posted:Wish there was an addon that forced you to follow proper procedures and that kinda thing Fly your FS Economy missions with real-world weather and online ATC.
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Marathanes posted:A sub is a boat that thinks he's sneak 
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http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101073741327&ca=166a128c-842e-4168-ac45-dcd7cee699f7 quote:What’s It All About?
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Butt Reactor posted:http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?m=1101073741327&ca=166a128c-842e-4168-ac45-dcd7cee699f7 Omg loving comedy of errors.
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May 16, 2018 21:31
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Apparently, GEAR......UP is not on that particular airline's After Takeoff check. Or it was the last in a long line of poor procedures and inadequate cross-checking. I used to laugh about stuff like that being on checklists, but after nearly 35 years in commercial aviation I no longer dismiss those reminders.
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May 16, 2018 22:22
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New V-280 flight test. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=723vkZxfqSU
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What do you do in a tiltrotor if the tilting mechanism gets stuck in the forward position and you need to land?
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Sagebrush posted:well that's just one of the privileges you get when you're the country that invented aviation  
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Sagebrush posted:What do you do in a tiltrotor if the tilting mechanism gets stuck in the forward position and you need to land? At least on a V-22 the rotors are frangible, and will shred into ropes of hugely expensive plastic rather than shatter and fly through the crew compartment. Presumably the same on this one. You would land it like an airplane, and maybe not kill everybody every time. But it is still a helicopter, so killing most of the people most of the time is expected.
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Responding to checklists without looking at the item, and instead just going by your memory of doing the action. It's extremely common, from the student pilot level to the airlines. Disappointing.
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vessbot posted:Responding to checklists without looking at the item, and instead just going by your memory of doing the action. It's extremely common, from the student pilot level to the airlines. Disappointing. I'm sure that was one of the factors in the Air Florida crash in DC? They didn't have the anti-ice systems on, because years of flying in temperate conditions in the Gulf/Caribbean/South meant that they just breezed over the 'Engine Anti-Ice...AS NEEDED' bit of the checklist by mental habit because they'd hardly every needed it. The CVR recorded them saying it but they immediately passed on to the next item with no pause to check or operate any of the switches. The 'focussing on a perceived fault to the exclusion of the bigger picture' is like a less lethal example of EAL Flight 401, where the entire crew became so focussed on finding out whether the nose gear was down and locked (it was, but a $0.30c bulb had blown) that they flew the plane into the Everglades without noticing.
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