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Percelus
Sep 9, 2012

My command, your wish is

gradenko_2000 posted:

suck. on. this.

friedman sucks a lot of mass murderers cocks these days

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gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/IDFSpokesperson/status/997074917198843904

Crowsbeak
Oct 9, 2012

by Azathoth
Lipstick Apathy

Percelus posted:

friedman sucks a lot of mass murderers cocks these days

He always has, he just didn't do it so openly.


Interesting the IDF has a blonde girl being defended by the brave soldiers in their propaganda.....

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:


amazing to me that neo nazis claim to hate israel when this is literal nazi propaganda.

dear dear sweet innocent lil white girl vs the swarthy brown death hordes

magnavox space odyssey
Jan 22, 2016

Feranon posted:

amazing to me that neo nazis claim to hate israel when this is literal nazi propaganda.

dear dear sweet innocent lil white girl vs the swarthy brown death hordes

I thought neonazis loved Israel and pointed to it as a successful ethno state

Grondoth
Feb 18, 2011

Feranon posted:

amazing to me that neo nazis claim to hate israel when this is literal nazi propaganda.

dear dear sweet innocent lil white girl vs the swarthy brown death hordes

it's just... it's so clear, isn't it

Hatebag
Jun 17, 2008



I think calling gazans dogs is a little insensitive.

the bitcoin of weed
Nov 1, 2014

magnavox space odyssey posted:

I thought neonazis loved Israel and pointed to it as a successful ethno state

yeah nazis have been wishing they could get away with the poo poo israel does here for years

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/996011689127694337

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Feranon posted:

amazing to me that neo nazis claim to hate israel when this is literal nazi propaganda.

dear dear sweet innocent lil white girl vs the swarthy brown death hordes

they dont

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


the bitcoin of weed posted:

yeah nazis have been wishing they could get away with the poo poo israel does here for years

https://twitter.com/AnnCoulter/status/996011689127694337

Being jealous of the Jews is p much basic Nazi

sleeptalker
Feb 17, 2011

VROOM VROOM posted:

"huge, angry mobs of terrorists and demonstrators"
:thunk:

HUGE, angry mobs of Terrorists!!!!!(and demonstrators)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

magnavox space odyssey posted:

I thought neonazis loved Israel and pointed to it as a successful ethno state

Neonazis have always hated Israel. White nationalists on the other hand...

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Anyway, it's still incredible to watch Anderson Cooper roll over for Thomas Friedman's bullshit. The liberal media is all just gonna push the 'mass suicide' line.

surfacelevelspeck
Oct 1, 2008

communism's sleepiest soldier

Didn't take long.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
jerusalem's natural history museum covers up the exhibits on evolution and dinosaurs when ultra-Orthodox school groups visit on free trips subsidized by the city of Jerusalem

a modern, progressive Western democracy
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/jerusalem-museum-covers-exhibit-on-evolution-when-haredi-visit-1.6045697

quote:

Jerusalem Museum Covers Exhibit on Evolution, Dinosaurs When ultra-Orthodox Students Visit
Haredi Jewish schools made their visits conditional on the exhibit being covered up, and the museum's educational director decided to agree to their request

The Natural History Museum in Jerusalem covers up an exhibit on evolution and dinosaurs during visits by ultra-Orthodox students. The museum says it only covers one specific exhibit with a curtain when groups from Haredi schools visit, as part of the educational program of the Jerusalem municipality, and when they request to do so in advance.

The permanent exhibit on “the beginning of human evolution and culture” was covered by pink sheet, as reported and photographed by Michael Bachner of the Times of Israel. The exhibit presents the stages of human evolution using illustrations, texts and archeological finds. A visitor who asked about the curtain and then complained when she was told that Haredim do not like to see such things, was told by a museum employee that she could leave, according to the story.

Since the beginning of the school year, 12 groups from Haredi schools have visited the Natural History Museum as part of the city’s “Jerusalem Advantage” educational program. This is the first year such visits to the museum have been subsidized by the city.

The museum’s educational director, Dr. Evgeny Roznitsky, says schools made their visits conditional on the exhibit being covered up, and he decided to agree to their request. “The agreement is that when such a group arrives we close the curtain and the guide does not explain about those parts. When they leave we open the curtain,” he told Haaretz.

“It has happened 12 times and we would be happy for more – before this year there were no Haredi groups at all, only in a few private frameworks. This year groups come from [Haredi] schools in an organized manner, so I still think this is an achievement,” said Roznitsky.

It is preferable to expose the students to the rest of the worlds the museum has to offer than to refuse their request and have them cancel completely, he says. “My dilemma was either not to close [the curtain] and not agree to the request, and then not to receive this public and not to expose them to the beauty of the other exhibits, or to temporarily close something that is 0.3 percent of all the museum’s space and expose them to the rest: The environment, nature, environmental quality. We have animals in the garden zoo, a beautiful garden. These are children who have never seen an animal in their lives. So I expose them to an entire world. So on behalf of pluralism and education I close this curtain,” said Roznitsky. He completely denies that a visitor who criticized the curtain was told she could leave.

Biology Professor Jerry Coyne from the University of Chicago, who specializes in evolution, read about the affair and sent the museum a letter in which he criticized their decision to cover the exhibit. “As an evolutionary biologist of Jewish ancestry, I am deeply offended at your practice of covering up the human evolution exhibit lest it offend the Haredi Jews who go to your museum. Why would a museum hide the truth, even if it’s offensive to some religious believers? Is this proper in a largely secular state like Israel?”

He also published the letter on his blog “Evolution is True.” Coyne called on his readers to send their own letters to the museum. “I hope you realize that by literally hiding the evidence for human evolution, you are misleading people: in effect, lying by omission. The truth is the truth, regardless of whether some people are offended because it goes against their upbringing; and by catering to the false beliefs of creationists, you are, in effect, censoring whatever science that some people find unpleasant. This kind of behavior makes me ashamed of my Jewish background.”

The Jerusalem municipality said: “The city’s Educational Administration initiated the ‘Jerusalem Advantage’ program in which all the city’s students from all communities are entitled to visit a wide variety of museums in the city within the framework of their studies. Within this program, thousands of students visited the Natural History Museum in the city and enjoyed the exhibitions and exhibits there. As opposed to what has been claimed, the aforementioned exhibit is open regularly to all groups visiting the museum.”

The city said that out of a desire to attract groups from the Haredi community, too, it was decided to agree to the request from Haredi schools and cover a specific exhibit during the visits. “So far, 12 groups from Haredi schools have visited the museum. The Educational Administration will continue to make cultural institutions and enrichment activities accessible to all the city’s students from a viewpoint of tolerance and equal opportunity for everyone.”

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Hiding facts from people to entertain their worldview is peak liberalism, actually.

Coohoolin
Aug 5, 2012

Oor Coohoolie.
So what's the academic definition of genocide and how applicable is it to what Israel does to Gaza (restricting water, electricity, basic living needs, etc)?

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Coohoolin posted:

So what's the academic definition of genocide and how applicable is it to what Israel does to Gaza (restricting water, electricity, basic living needs, etc)?

Doing a genocide means you're attempting to wipe out an entire population with lethal force, which is distinct from an ethnic cleansing. The Israeli plan to make Gaza unlivable for human conditions, while simultaneously making it impossible for anyone to leave is a long running genocide in slow motion because it will only stop when everyone in Gaza has died from starvation or toxic exposure. This is going to work because the Egyptians want all the Gazans dead too.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Coohoolin posted:

So what's the academic definition of genocide and how applicable is it to what Israel does to Gaza (restricting water, electricity, basic living needs, etc)?

There's no single academic definition of genocide, as it's inherently a fairly subjective thing. The UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which is the closest thing to a widely-accepted legal definition, defines it as follows:

quote:

... any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily harm, or harm to mental health, to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

C lines up pretty well with what's going on in Gaza. However, if you look closely, you'll notice that there's enough wiggle room in the definition for people to nitpick it endlessly, because it's broad and not that detailed or specific. It's probably vague on purpose, to keep things from being bogged down in petty legalities when the world broadly agrees that a genocide is being committed and has the political will to do something about it. On the other hand, that means it's not that useful when the world doesn't see it as genocide or doesn't have the political will to intervene. Though that's basically the problem with international law in general: it mostly exists to lend justification and legitimacy to whatever the major world powers were going to do anyway, and the actual words don't really amount to much on their own.

A Gnarlacious Bro
Apr 25, 2007

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Main Paineframe posted:

jerusalem's natural history museum covers up the exhibits on evolution and dinosaurs when ultra-Orthodox school groups visit on free trips subsidized by the city of Jerusalem

a modern, progressive Western democracy
https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/jerusalem-museum-covers-exhibit-on-evolution-when-haredi-visit-1.6045697

The Haredim also believe that Israel literally don't exist

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

quote:

The West is hyper-sensitive to horror because its own predilection for life is tenuous. What the former Pope Benedict XVI called a “culture of death” Birth rates in dozens of Western nations are so low that populations will decline sharply during the present century. That is not only true of the West: Japan and Korea are in rapid demographic decline. In the Muslim world, countries that have achieved full female literacy show birth rates as low as those of the West. Iran’s fertility rate has fallen from seven children per female in 1979 to about 1.6 children today. Excluding the Kurds (who have roughly three children per female), the Turkish fertility rate is roughly the same as Iran’s.

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




its funny how people are mad about there being less people when people hate people

GWBBQ
Jan 2, 2005


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-do-israelis-have-to-die-so-gaza-s-death-toll-isn-t-disproportionate-1.6094271
If You Call the Gaza Death Toll 'Disproportionate,' How Many Israelis Have to Die for the Sake of Symmetry? :thunk:


I was watching Eddie Glaude Jr. when he was on MSNBC, and it was an incredible genuine human moment that was immediately snuffed out by changing the subject.
This reminds me of a speaker I saw who said that reporting on deaths of Palestinian children is blood libel.

Main Paineframe posted:

There's no single academic definition of genocide, as it's inherently a fairly subjective thing. The UN Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide, which is the closest thing to a widely-accepted legal definition, defines it as follows:


C lines up pretty well with what's going on in Gaza. However, if you look closely, you'll notice that there's enough wiggle room in the definition for people to nitpick it endlessly, because it's broad and not that detailed or specific. It's probably vague on purpose, to keep things from being bogged down in petty legalities when the world broadly agrees that a genocide is being committed and has the political will to do something about it. On the other hand, that means it's not that useful when the world doesn't see it as genocide or doesn't have the political will to intervene. Though that's basically the problem with international law in general: it mostly exists to lend justification and legitimacy to whatever the major world powers were going to do anyway, and the actual words don't really amount to much on their own.
That's the important part, because the US and Canada have both done things that fall under those definitions.

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.


glad how we started off with asiatic hordes that don't value individual life and then wound up saying that the apartheid state murdering protestors is on the side of life

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

StashAugustine posted:

glad how we started off with asiatic hordes that don't value individual life and then wound up saying that the apartheid state murdering protestors is on the side of life

it’s the exact same logic, actually

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




if palestine valued life theyd starve to death quietly

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

it’s like the old clip of general westmoreland saying the oriental doesn’t place a high value on human life while it was his army that was killing them all.

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Hiding facts from people to entertain their worldview is peak liberalism, actually.

This is true.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
Defense Minister Avigdor Liberman has called for Israel to immediately leave the UN Human Rights Council.

it's unlikely to happen, because Israel was never a member of the Human Rights Council in the first place

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




leiberman is probably not the worst israeli but hes on the short list

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012

Coohoolin posted:

So what's the academic definition of genocide and how applicable is it to what Israel does to Gaza (restricting water, electricity, basic living needs, etc)?

To add to what's already been said, before their most recent operation what Israel is doing could have been described as Apartheid & Ethnic Cleansing with Genocide as hyperbole, but in their last operation they specifically bombed hospitals, electric plants, and water purification systems in a way that has crippled Gaza in every way imaginable.

For a good while there was an uneasy peace where Gaza was better off freedom-wise than the west bank, because while the blockade was in place Hamas had multiple tunnels to import/export and allow passage through their borders, the city had a functional-if-strained economy, and they had cracked down on rocket launches (which is impressive when you consider how extraordinarily cheap the rockets are to create, even for the average citizen).

Peanut Butler
Jul 25, 2003



has anyone said, judea delenda est, yet

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
https://twitter.com/netanyahu/status/997466988699181057

:barf: this meme has been poo poo from the beginning

Whorelord
May 1, 2013

Jump into the well...

Peanut Butler posted:

has anyone said, judea delenda est, yet

Judea eunt domnus

MaxxBot
Oct 6, 2003

you could have clapped

you should have clapped!!

Darkman Fanpage posted:

:barf: this meme has been poo poo from the beginning

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


https://twitter.com/AmarAmarasingam/status/997554710201688064

ferroque
Oct 27, 2007

Israel to leave UN, US to follow

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
postin

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

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Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lmao

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