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SoftNum
Mar 31, 2011

Ghostlight posted:

:confused: you can get a second-hand set of golf clubs for like $50 and it's around $20 to get out on a course for the day.

he's just picking things you CAN spend outrageous amounts of money on. Citizens all seem like the sorts of people who believe you're in for 8k before you get a decent mountain bike.

Here's my dog:

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Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



CellarDweller posted:

This is really untrue. Plenty of people have been convinced, several incarnations ago this thread was once very pro cig.

No, there is no combination of words that you can possibly say that will make me throw up my hands and say "I was wrong, Star Citizen will come out and be good" but that doesn't mean it is impossible to convince me. That's not how convincing someone to change their opinions works. It takes time and change happens by degrees.
No, EvilMerlin is right. There's nothing anyone can say to convince either side that they are wrong.

The whole thing is at the point where all the talking is immaterial. Goons think Citizens are deranged idiot dreamers, and Citizens think goons are some kind of 9/11-level conspiracy auteurs. It's the actions that will sway either side.

The only thing that will convince goons that they are wrong is CIG starting to produce real concrete progress toward exiting their multiple-year alpha rather than simply saying they are getting there inch by inch while simultaneously pushing back the inch deliverables.

The only thing that will convince Citizens that they are wrong is the slow recognition of this pattern of CIG's failure to improve and fix what's already in the game, failure to deliver on existing promises, while continuing to make new promises about the next patch.

Golli
Jan 5, 2013



SoftNum posted:

he's just picking things you CAN spend outrageous amounts of money on. Citizens all seem like the sorts of people who believe you're in for 8k before you get a decent mountain bike.



Well, duh. You have to get the bike early though, so it has LTI. That way, even if you never ride it, you can sell it for 4x the value to a newbie mountain biker, who can trade it in to the bike shop (for a small fee) for the new model and keep the LTI.

e: At least that's what the salesman at MoMA's Bike Emporium explained it to me.

Golli fucked around with this message at 02:21 on May 18, 2018

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



Awesome! posted:

how much for a picture of your golf clubs fine sir?
$310, no cryptocurrencies

trucutru
Jul 9, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

Ghostlight posted:



The only thing that will convince Citizens that they are wrong is the slow recognition of this pattern of CIG's failure to improve and fix what's already in the game, failure to deliver on existing promises, while continuing to make new promises about the next patch.

lol, no, plenty of them won't be convinced even after the game is cancelled or crashes and burns. It'll be someone's else fault.

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Ghostlight posted:

No, EvilMerlin is right. There's nothing anyone can say to convince either side that they are wrong.

The whole thing is at the point where all the talking is immaterial. Goons think Citizens are deranged idiot dreamers, and Citizens think goons are some kind of 9/11-level conspiracy auteurs. It's the actions that will sway either side.

The only thing that will convince goons that they are wrong is CIG starting to produce real concrete progress toward exiting their multiple-year alpha rather than simply saying they are getting there inch by inch while simultaneously pushing back the inch deliverables.

The only thing that will convince Citizens that they are wrong is the slow recognition of this pattern of CIG's failure to improve and fix what's already in the game, failure to deliver on existing promises, while continuing to make new promises about the next patch.

And we’re converging.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.
I added hyperlinks to a lot of clips from this ATV update.

I’m not saying Chris is trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay... but I think he’s trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay...

Grubby Hobo
Feb 13, 2018

There's something else about bears not many people know. If a bear gets hooked on the taste of crowdfunding, it becomes a man-killer. He'll go on a rampage and has to be destroyed. And that's why you should never hug a bear.

G0RF posted:

Chris Roberts challenges YOU to a staring contest!

Am I the only one picking up some weird signaling in this ATV?

Ricky’s update makes me wonder if either Mining will get pushed backto 3.3 or 3.2 will miss the target date.

“Implementing feedback from Chris Roberts...” (If this applies to Snoopy Caps, it goes without saying it would apply to the all important visuals associated with the tractor beam...)

(And oh, look, FPS AI bears all the hallmarks of years worth of diligent work. (Next stop, ‘Saurus’s visions of machine learning that will lead to NPCs so realistic we will mistake them for players...)

(Wot’s this? Yet another new set of damage state reworksfor a ship rework!

Zane has an Early Days spin talking about doing the best they could with the time allocated.

And Chris and Sandi look unusually nervous, with Chris including that “it’s a lot of work” line in the abrupt edit wrap-up right before ship shape. And he’s talking about in-game kiosks...

It all feels preparatory for an as yet undisclosed disappointment. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but this one seems pretty skittish. It’s weird. Maybe Mining will be in and be fun, it’ll go to Evocati and 3.2 will hit in June. But this didn’t feel like a confident outing at all...

I agree. They look nervous. The caption I'd put on this is

"Chris Roberts finally engages with the game development process, discovers it's hard."

Quavers
Feb 26, 2016

You clearly don't understand game development

G0RF posted:

Chris Roberts challenges YOU to a staring contest!

Am I the only one picking up some weird signaling in this ATV?

Ricky’s update makes me wonder if either Mining will get pushed backto 3.3 or 3.2 will miss the target date.

“Implementing feedback from Chris Roberts...” (If this applies to Snoopy Caps, it goes without saying it would apply to the all important visuals associated with the tractor beam...)

(And oh, look, FPS AI bears all the hallmarks of years worth of diligent work. (Next stop, ‘Saurus’s visions of machine learning that will lead to NPCs so realistic we will mistake them for players...)

(Wot’s this? Yet another new set of damage state reworksfor a ship rework!

Zane has an Early Days spin talking about doing the best they could with the time allocated.

And Chris and Sandi look unusually nervous, with Chris including that “it’s a lot of work” line in the abrupt edit wrap-up right before ship shape. And he’s talking about in-game kiosks...

It all feels preparatory for an as yet undisclosed disappointment. Maybe I’m reading too much into it but this one seems pretty skittish. It’s weird. Maybe Mining will be in and be fun, it’ll go to Evocati and 3.2 will hit in June. But this didn’t feel like a confident outing at all...

:same:

Spiderdrake
May 12, 2001



trucutru posted:

lol, no, plenty of them won't be convinced even after the game is cancelled or crashes and burns. It'll be someone's else fault.
The narrative already exists. The goons, the warlord, the skadden, the cryengine, the illfonic. They've been putting new sheets over CIG crapping the bed for years and happily lying in it time after time. They enjoy paying for their fetid squishie dream chamber and the dream won't die with CIG.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao

there are more now:

pay2wininthefuture

pay2futurep2w

pay2spin

pay2nothing

pay4jpegs

pay2wait

pay2wince

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

G0RF posted:

I added hyperlinks to a lot of clips from this ATV update.

I’m not saying Chris is trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay... but I think he’s trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay...

Why yes, water is indeed the cause of wetness.

In other entirely unsurprising news,

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

Edit: Apparently they won’t remove them if you already own them, Beet.

Thoatse
Feb 29, 2016

Lol said the scorpion, lmao
https://i.imgur.com/WLrBW3z.gifv

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

G0RF posted:

New ATV preview on Kiosk Interface improvements + a new Ship Shape about the Vanduul Blade.

https://twitter.com/RobertsSpaceInd/status/996895746917109760

1) I hope the Vanduul Blade requires players to use the ceremonial spiky sticksword of tribal Vanduul leaders to start the ignition. Preferably with the player looking at the spiky sticksword and engaging an inner though interface written entirely in Vanduul because realism.

2) “Where we’re currently at is probably the most exciting part. We have base functionality already working...” (In year 6, base functionality of the revised shopping kiosks are a go... the gameplay possibilities are endless!!!)

Golly! I sure love shopping! I hope this game is just about shopping!

And stabbing space ships with spears to start them. I love that too!

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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Bootcha posted:

LAURESH

I KNOW YOU'RE OUT THERE

WE NEED TO TALK

I kind of hope this worked.

Because it's like a super obtuse way of getting in touch with somebody. :jerry:

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





Hav posted:

Why yes, water is indeed the cause of wetness.

In other entirely unsurprising news,

https://twitter.com/HuniePotDev/status/997257011384340482

Edit: Apparently they won’t remove them if you already own them, Beet.

Huniepop I'd actually be pretty mad about them taking. They can have Neko Neko gently caress School or whatever the other one is though

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Somebody hankering for some healthy, big black cock? Because it looks like it's ready to strut!

:drat:

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





Ghostlight posted:

$310, no cryptocurrencies



Those things aren't worth $310 in a shop. Learn to hit a long iron and get some blades already.

The Rabbi T. White
Jul 17, 2008





GOLF BURN

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

his nibs posted:

TLDR:

So is getting a large fleet of ships winning?

Well, it's not paying to win a marathon. It's paying to star about half way to the finish line.

That doesn't mean you automatically win, but if you think there isn't a large element to it, I need you to check if your dick can touch your rear end in a top hat.

Oh it can.

its really huge and long and lengthy. Also weirdly rubbery and slightly slimy to rub.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

Bofast posted:

Titanic sailing in there with a good post and torpedoing the CIG narrative.

Aww, thank you. :)

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

Beet Wagon posted:

Huniepop I'd actually be pretty mad about them taking. They can have Neko Neko gently caress School or whatever the other one is though

Could be part of a wider anime purge. Gooninati elements embedded in the food industries will be deploying pineapple and blue cheese directly, and we’ll have the Star Citizen re-education camps opened in a jiffy.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

G0RF posted:

YOUTUBE: Redacted talks about the future of AI in Star Citizen...

Are you ready for living, breathing NPCs all with unique personalities, agendas, schedules, “lives”? Virtual Citizens that players can affect and create butterfly effects in The Verse?

You better be, because it’s coming!

(One wonders how personalities will be demonstrated in interactions? Via pre-recorded speech? Millions upon millions of recorded voices? Speech synthesis? Text boxes aren’t very immersive so that seems out of the running...

Oh well, I’m sure CIG has it all worked out... The important thing is it’s coming.

Bonus topic: After declaring this week’s Calling All Devs the most underwhelming ever, and discussing how some questions get deleted or ignored, the topic shifts to the potentially immersion breaking ability to teleport into someone else’s ship. Naturally, Agent Smithing that means it’s Agent Smithing talk time.

Double bonus topic: Redacted theorycrafts their reactions to potential upcoming CIG broken promises.

But come on guys... when we get there, and we will get there, you’ll hem and haw a bit and eventually roll with it. If you didn’t know how to do that well you’d never have made it this far in the first place...

You need to find out if hyper realistic AI that is utterly indistinguishable from a human comes before or after "doors" on the road map.

I would really hate to see AI of this caliber pushed out indefinitely because they can't get doors working right.

In fact, they should just skip everything and start working on this AI. If anybody can make something like this, and make it an industry breakthrough the likes of which humanity has never before witnessed...

It's definitely, positively coming from Chris Roberts and his studio full of recent college grads or soon to be grads, assisted by the famed AI specialist

Hav
Dec 11, 2009

Fun Shoe

The Titanic posted:

I kind of hope this worked.

Because it's like a super obtuse way of getting in touch with somebody. :jerry:

Worst “Missed connections” evah.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

EightAce posted:

You know they binned Ben off months ago right ? Ben lesnick 'developer' is now plain old Ben lesnick

Yes.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

Unsinkable

teh_Broseph posted:

New Zelda was one of my favorite games to play this year. I'm not sure what everyone's talking about with durability and dungeons or whatever, I just got to that first camera pan over the horizon when you walk out of your wankcave and whew what else can you ask for in a game really, it was rather cool. It was a nice follow-up from my gaming in 2017, I played new Tomb Raider till I got to the big camera pan when you walk in the first Tomb and wowzorz, 2017 gaming cup filled.

I made it up to the first fire in those games. Then just stopped and decided I was just going to live there. Forever.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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Trillhouse posted:

Lol. I think Ben is such a fascinating part of the saga. I’m sad he’s gone.

My favorite Ben thing is when he got kicked off the show because he was more charismatic than Sandi. When a morbidly-obese manchild with a lazy eye is more engaging than you, and you want to be a movie star, it might be time to rethink your movie actress dreams.

Imagine fronting equipment, money, filming space, food, drinks, and graphic arts to a project you play a super minor, unnamed role in. And that you're so bad they have no choice but to cut you out, but because they want to still take advantage of you they lie to you and you don't know it up until release.

I hope those guys told her she got "Star Citizened" when she called them up in raging tears. :)

One of the best things about this project is that outside of this singular microcosm of luck, all the key people who have been unjustly enriched, are loving terrible at all the things they think they are/want to be good at.

G0RF
Mar 19, 2015

Some galactic defender you are, Space Cadet.

The Titanic posted:

You need to find out if hyper realistic AI that is utterly indistinguishable from a human comes before or after "doors" on the road map.

I would really hate to see AI of this caliber pushed out indefinitely because they can't get doors working right.

In fact, they should just skip everything and start working on this AI. If anybody can make something like this, and make it an industry breakthrough the likes of which humanity has never before witnessed...

It's definitely, positively coming from Chris Roberts and his studio full of recent college grads or soon to be grads, assisted by the famed AI specialist

Saurus and Noob both were strangely confident that Turing Test level NPC AI was not going to be a problem for CIG. They don’t seem to realize that the only Turing Test Chris ever cared about was handled by a decorator.





In unrelated news, Montoya pre-emptively prepares backers for The Next Great Backstab. Are you ready for Subscriptions?! If not, Montoya is here to help!

G0RF fucked around with this message at 04:27 on May 18, 2018

Ghostlight
Sep 25, 2009

maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me



trucutru posted:

lol, no, plenty of them won't be convinced even after the game is cancelled or crashes and burns. It'll be someone's else fault.
I didn't say everyone would be convinced, just that it's the only thing that would.

The Rabbi T. White posted:

Those things aren't worth $310 in a shop. Learn to hit a long iron and get some blades already.
:shrug: it's what came up when I googled $300 golf clubs, so someone disagrees.

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat

G0RF posted:

I added hyperlinks to a lot of clips from this ATV update.

I’m not saying Chris is trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay... but I think he’s trying to prepare people for a 3.2 reduction or delay...

That poor 3d artist looks like he hasn't slept in weeks.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015






God I can't get over how loving stupid the design of that spaceship is

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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tooterfish posted:

His only conceivable talent is kissing Chris' rear end (it's been his life's work after all). That could only save him for so long.

I hope this all played out differently. Allow me a moment to play devils advocate. :devil:

Ben, hoping Star Citizen or Sq42 would become the Wing Commander 5 or whatever the next one is, jumped to try to join Chris.

In the early days, CR was very much trying to focus on the WC group, using Ben to help spearhead funding from this now wealthy, niche group of former nerdy kids.

Ben was initially overjoyed. It was his dream come true.

As time went on, CRs mindset shifted. He wanted an FPS, he wanted everything... except Wing Commander. Every time Ben tried to instigate some form of nostalgia, CR brushed him off.

Once it was evident that Star Citizen could be its own thing outside of the WC crowd, CR continued to mitigate Ben and let him know his ideas were poo poo. CR flat out tells him several times these games are not Wing Commander and will not be Wing Commander.

After about a year if this, Ben finally gets it, and his hero he thought would usher in his next generation of a Wing Commander he could jerk off over failed him and he hates it and he hates Star Citizen.

At about this time, he's poo poo grade webpage is exposed. This seals the deal and Ben is given a limit that in a year his rear end is gone, but they're going to be nice to him and let this stuff blow over so he can get a new job later. His capacity is reduced to zero. All the people who didn't like him but had to hide it because he was CRs cock shiner could now openly mistreat him because he lost the golden statue status.

Ben, in a fit of imbecile rage, misguidedly thinks that the popularity of Star Citizen can be refuted by his Wing Commander friends and that somehow he will show CR who's right. So he engages in a passive war against Star Citizen by attempting to use the Wing Commander brand to create a new level of popularity for it.

Surely once Chris tastes the fires of people who love Wing Commander and demand Star Citizen be Wing Commander, he will prevail. This war of stupidity happens via twitter and other channels, where Ben does everything he can to make Wing Commander cool again.

It fails spectacularly. Nobody loving cares about Wing Commander.

Times up, Bens out. His heart broken twice. Once by his hero, then by the fact Wing Commander is 110% irrelevant to everybody but him and he couldn't change anything.

I can only hope he remains crushed to the core. :grin:

Blue On Blue
Nov 14, 2012

The Titanic posted:

I hope this all played out differently. Allow me a moment to play devils advocate. :devil:

Ben, hoping Star Citizen or Sq42 would become the Wing Commander 5 or whatever the next one is, jumped to try to join Chris.

In the early days, CR was very much trying to focus on the WC group, using Ben to help spearhead funding from this now wealthy, niche group of former nerdy kids.

Ben was initially overjoyed. It was his dream come true.

As time went on, CRs mindset shifted. He wanted an FPS, he wanted everything... except Wing Commander. Every time Ben tried to instigate some form of nostalgia, CR brushed him off.

Once it was evident that Star Citizen could be its own thing outside of the WC crowd, CR continued to mitigate Ben and let him know his ideas were poo poo. CR flat out tells him several times these games are not Wing Commander and will not be Wing Commander.

After about a year if this, Ben finally gets it, and his hero he thought would usher in his next generation of a Wing Commander he could jerk off over failed him and he hates it and he hates Star Citizen.

At about this time, he's poo poo grade webpage is exposed. This seals the deal and Ben is given a limit that in a year his rear end is gone, but they're going to be nice to him and let this stuff blow over so he can get a new job later. His capacity is reduced to zero. All the people who didn't like him but had to hide it because he was CRs cock shiner could now openly mistreat him because he lost the golden statue status.

Ben, in a fit of imbecile rage, misguidedly thinks that the popularity of Star Citizen can be refuted by his Wing Commander friends and that somehow he will show CR who's right. So he engages in a passive war against Star Citizen by attempting to use the Wing Commander brand to create a new level of popularity for it.

Surely once Chris tastes the fires of people who love Wing Commander and demand Star Citizen be Wing Commander, he will prevail. This war of stupidity happens via twitter and other channels, where Ben does everything he can to make Wing Commander cool again.

It fails spectacularly. Nobody loving cares about Wing Commander.

Times up, Bens out. His heart broken twice. Once by his hero, then by the fact Wing Commander is 110% irrelevant to everybody but him and he couldn't change anything.

I can only hope he remains crushed to the core. :grin:

God drat girl... I hope Ben reads this and uses it as the turning point to realize his life's work has been a huge mistake

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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Ghostlight posted:

No, EvilMerlin is right. There's nothing anyone can say to convince either side that they are wrong.

The whole thing is at the point where all the talking is immaterial. Goons think Citizens are deranged idiot dreamers, and Citizens think goons are some kind of 9/11-level conspiracy auteurs. It's the actions that will sway either side.

The only thing that will convince goons that they are wrong is CIG starting to produce real concrete progress toward exiting their multiple-year alpha rather than simply saying they are getting there inch by inch while simultaneously pushing back the inch deliverables.

The only thing that will convince Citizens that they are wrong is the slow recognition of this pattern of CIG's failure to improve and fix what's already in the game, failure to deliver on existing promises, while continuing to make new promises about the next patch.

Can't disagree. :)

I love giving everybody the benefit of the doubt though. Any suggestions? :)

Lladre
Jun 28, 2011


Soiled Meat
Yeah. Don't try to change the opinion of someone on the internet.

iospace
Jan 19, 2038


Lladre posted:

Yeah. Don't try to change the opinion of someone on the internet.

Pee is stored in the balls.

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





iospace posted:

Pee is stored in the balls.

The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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iospace posted:

Pee is stored in the balls.

I have evidence that may prove this false.

As proof, posting my balls.

:nws:

:nws:

Beet Wagon
Oct 19, 2015





The Titanic posted:

I have evidence that may prove this false.

As proof, posting my balls.

:nws:

:nws:

lmao congratulations on getting me to google "titanic balls" without stopping to think what might happen.

Also, this is what I found:

:nws:

:nws:

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The Titanic
Sep 15, 2016

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Beet Wagon posted:

lmao congratulations on getting me to google "titanic balls" without stopping to think what might happen.

Also, this is what I found:

:nws:

:nws:

:lol:

I uh... never googled that particular phrase. I hope you didn't have to go through too many pages before finding that one. I... don't want to think of the results you saw. :redhammer:

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