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The X-Force getting hilariously wiped out in their first appearance is pretty much part and parcel of the 90s X-related superhero franchise deal that Deadpool came from and brutally mocks, with C-listers and new characters dying in bloody ways for shock value and to hype up the big villain, and/or because the writer just doesn't like them or doesn't know what to do with them. IIRC, this is the era where the original woman stuffed into the fridge came from. Not that those things aren't exclusive to 90s comic books, but there's definitely a lot of meta-jokes about overused mean-spirited plot devices, from the perspective of a character who can recognise and complain about them to the audience no less, hence why both Vanessa and Peter's deaths are reversed by Deadpool's last-minute time travelling, also likely a joke on how retcons are used to hastily reverse the most unpopular decisions that kill off likeable characters for no real reason. And probably not a coincidence that the credits sequence also has Deadpool kill Ryan Reynolds before he can star in Green Lantern, and his alternate self from X-Men Origins Wolverine (so Ryan Reynolds kills himself twice?); the running theme is of mocking reversal of bad decisions made for no real reason in both comic books and the movies based on them. And riffs on the DC movies' perceived excessive 'darkness' and cynicism, a Thanos joke (probably mostly around Josh Brolin's casting) and even iirc a joke on how franchises go to poo poo around the third movie; a theme of bringing back things that Marvel and DC would likely rather people forget with the missteps they've made in comic book movies, as well as cynical marketing moves. (see also the joke about the X-Force franchise) Which, again, goes well with how the 90s was basically when the comic book industry basically destroyed itself by tripling down on all their worst habits as well as a bunch of new ones.
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May 19, 2018 08:12
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honestly, most of why i thought it was a problem was because i genuinely like most of X-Force, and i especially liked them in the movie, for what little time they got. it wasn't a problem that they died, it was a problem that they felt wasted. comparatively, Juggernaut went out in one of the least dignified manners i have ever seen in a movie and that was actually pretty much fine, because the movie got some decent mileage out of ol' Juggy beforehand. if it had been, like, throughout the truck heist instead of just immediately as everyone lands, I would have honestly not had a problem at all.
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May 19, 2018 08:19
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I think the real joke there is Deadpool was warned the winds make a paradrop a really bad idea, and it was also completely unnecessary, as the truck convoy was going through a city and could easily have been accessed by car or helicopter. I think it's another 90s antihero joke where they'd access all evil villain lairs by parachuting, sense be damned. Turns out, parachuting in real life, especially in a populated area, is really dangerous and best left to the professionals. Or the supernaturally lucky. Also, you really only needed Domino and Deadpool, because the former literally has everything go her way and the latter can't die, and it's likely that the kid and Juggernaut would have been able to break out on their own anyway.
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May 19, 2018 08:32
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:if it had been, like, throughout the truck heist instead of just immediately as everyone lands, I would have honestly not had a problem at all. Then you'd be trading a pretty funny joke [spoiler]for just a group of people dying on a mission, which would have made the movie more overstuffed or completely different.[spoiler]
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May 19, 2018 08:32
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yeah, it's a real shame about Terry Crews. That dude is loving hilarious and was completely wasted in this movie. The only thing I remember him doing is parroting the Xmen "Trainee" line, even though as far as I could tell, he shouldn't or couldn't have known that I was also kinda upset about another spoiler that someone touched on earlier [Captain Obvious] we really don't get much into Cable's backstory. As far as I could tell, he's just a dude from the future with a grudge against a nerd. I think it could've been a fun note for Cable to talk about his powers only to have Deadpool cut him off for comedic effect. But I feel like they very deliberately withheld exactly how strong Cable is for a future movie.[/captain obvious]
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May 19, 2018 08:48
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I saw the movie, really liked it. As for X-Force's appearance I gotta say that after I saw the final trailer a couple of times, I started realizing that the joke was going to be them dying really really fast. Still got surprised at how it went down, though. I like how both Deadpool movies are just kinda sappy at their core: first one was about how Wade wants to go back to Vanessa, but it's unsure she'll love him now that he looks like an avocado; and the second is about helping a little kid that's been abused and is pretty much like him, and make sure he doesn't become a bad guy. [quote="Slightly Absurd" post="484240095"] yeah, it's a real shame about Terry Crews. That dude is loving hilarious and was completely wasted in this movie. The only thing I remember him doing is parroting the Xmen "Trainee" line, even though as far as I could tell, he shouldn't or couldn't have known that Well, he probably knew that because he saw Deadpool in the news, and both Negasonic and Colossus kept yelling that Deadpool was just a trainee.
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May 19, 2018 09:01
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Kal-L posted:I saw the movie, really liked it. As for X-Force's appearance I gotta say that after I saw the final trailer a couple of times, I started realizing that the joke was going to be them dying really really fast. Still got surprised at how it went down, though. Yeah, as far as X-force They fell into the same boat as Vanessa, or Loki from the most recent avengers, the lack of scenes for the trailer tells you that only Domino and maybe Peter are coming out of that scene alive.
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May 19, 2018 09:13
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:honestly, most of why i thought it was a problem was because i genuinely like most of X-Force, and i especially liked them in the movie, for what little time they got. it wasn't a problem that they died, it was a problem that they felt wasted. comparatively, Juggernaut went out in one of the least dignified manners i have ever seen in a movie and that was actually pretty much fine, because the movie got some decent mileage out of ol' Juggy beforehand. Don't worry, the last scene I think showed him thrashing up out of the water for a split second so he might still be around. Not that it's necessary.
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May 19, 2018 11:38
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Ignis posted:Oh apparently the other cameo of the rednecks was Matt Damon on heavy makeup. Shoutouts to Thor Ragnarok I guess?? They credited him as Dickie Greenleaf, a reference to his character on Mr. Ripley I missed that but saw one was Alan Tudyk which I sure as hell didn't realize until the credits.
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May 19, 2018 11:40
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Blazing Ownager posted:Don't worry, the last scene I think showed him thrashing up out of the water for a split second so he might still be around. Not that it's necessary. Yeah, I had a feeling that The Juggernaut is still alive despite all indications, given his defining superpower is basically that he's impossible to kill. Apparently Fox has a moratorium against non-mutant related magic being a thing in the setting, but his mutation seems to be otherwise in line with the comics.
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May 19, 2018 12:21
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Does it feel kind of blasphemous that a Deadpool 2 thread has spoilers as the spirit of the movie is fourth wall breaking good times, yeah hi you just rolled over a spoiler tag questioning spoiler tags. That's like 16 spoiler tags.
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May 19, 2018 13:07
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Yeah, I had a feeling that The Juggernaut is still alive despite all indications, given his defining superpower is basically that he's impossible to kill. Apparently Fox has a moratorium against non-mutant related magic being a thing in the setting, but his mutation seems to be otherwise in line with the comics. Colossus has a line about getting out of there before Fuckernaught wakes up. Ghost Leviathan posted:both Vanessa and Peter's deaths are reversed by Deadpool's last-minute time travelling, also likely a joke on how retcons are used to hastily reverse the most unpopular decisions that kill off likeable characters for no real reason. Less a joke about that happening and what literally happened. Apparently the Vanessa scene wasn’t in the original version they screened at SxSW. It was part of the reshoots that did after people didn’t like the original Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 13:32 on May 19, 2018 |
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May 19, 2018 13:27
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yeah he’s climbing out of the water.
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May 19, 2018 13:45
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With the last several MCU films, and the Deadpool films, I'm just so happy they aren't afraid to go full comic book anymore. 10 years ago you wouldn't have spiderman hitching a ride on alien spacecraft to fight with iron man and a wizard on a distant planet, you didn't have a great looking juggernaut, but just a buff dude in an ugly helmet, galactus could only exist as a space cloud, deadpool, well, deadpool had to be a weirdo with retracting arm swords. Maybe theres some burn out on all these comic book films, but frankly it feels like a breath of fresh air the last few years. I'm excited because I feel like now theres a good chance to actually see a giant loving crazy Kirby helmeted 20 foot tall galactus walk around, people going to the savage land, or asteroid M, or god drat MODOK show up and not be made "down to earth" so to speak. Like any crazy as gently caress thing goes now, galactic adventures, techno-organic viruses, time travel, unrealistically giant people, cosmic entities, anything. The outright lunacy of comic books is something great to be embraced.
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May 19, 2018 14:17
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Pirate Jet posted:Yeah count me in as a guy that is actually a little sad that X-Force gets so completely chumped. I understand the joke and it’s a good one but I also feel like they should have used the time travel to save all of the members and not just Peter. Do you remember the Reno 911 movie? Remember The Rock's cameo in that? He shows up, is a complete badass for about 15 seconds as he explains how they can save the day, and then immediately gets blown up. That's the whole joke, and wishing that The Rock had stuck around and his character had actually fixed everything would basically invalidate the rest of the movie. Terry Crews is doing just fine, and in fact if Bedlam had survived/been a bigger role, he probably wouldn't have been able to play it because his schedule is so busy. swickles posted:i feel that the Dopinder role would have been funny if itnwas a white guy or any other ethnicity. The joke is that he is a wannabe. Making the joke that he's a (homicidal) wannabe is an improvement from the first movie, where the joke was basically just being a cab driver stereotype put into weird scenarios. Like, they even had Karan Soni put on that whole thick accent for it and everything. (I recommend checking out Other Space to hear his regular voice, and because that show was really decent and didn't deserve to be stuck in the sewer that was Yahoo streaming.) It feels like they were trying to course-correct in this movie, giving him a real motivation and everything. (And admitting that the character was kinda racist before.).
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May 19, 2018 15:48
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LanceHunter posted:
Not as racist as Cable though. Man's terrible.
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May 19, 2018 15:59
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Red Oktober posted:Not as racist as Cable though. Man's terrible. Seriously! He killed Black Tom! (Also, interesting that the rumor sites that were trying to claim they had scooped Black Tom as the villain in Deadpool 2 now have articles about how they were actually right originally but the character ended up getting cut in the final version of the film, which seems tremendously improbable.)
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May 19, 2018 16:03
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LanceHunter posted:Seriously! He killed Black Tom! I could see that maybe in an earlier version of the script, theres a way you can see it fitting. I don't think they filmed anything that way and cut it though there was too much stuff even in the sets hinting at juggernaut, and Black Tom would be a really lame B lister to have as the big bad guy. Not only that but I really don't see any reason Cable would have had to go to Deadpool for help fighting Black Tom. Black Tom and Juggernaut both join the kid? Maaaaaaaaybe, but certainly Not Black Tom alone.
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May 19, 2018 16:16
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The only way to top the DP2 after credit scene is Black Widow make an awkward cameo in Deadpool 3.
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May 19, 2018 16:17
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Tom Guycot posted:I could see that maybe in an earlier version of the script, theres a way you can see it fitting. I don't think they filmed anything that way and cut it though there was too much stuff even in the sets hinting at juggernaut, and Black Tom would be a really lame B lister to have as the big bad guy. Not only that but I really don't see any reason Cable would have had to go to Deadpool for help fighting Black Tom. Black Tom and Juggernaut both join the kid? Maaaaaaaaybe, but certainly Not Black Tom alone. They’re not saying Juggernaut wasn’t in it, just that Black Tom was the main villain. It makes sense since the two of them were partners through most of the 90s. Apparently the current cut is about 20mins shorter than what was shown at SxSW. Juggxrnaught tested well and Black Tom didn’t so Tom gets whacked in reshoots and they add a little bit to show Juggie is still alive.
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May 19, 2018 17:59
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:They’re not saying Juggernaut wasn’t in it, just that Black Tom was the main villain. It makes sense since the two of them were partners through most of the 90s. Apparently the current cut is about 20mins shorter than what was shown at SxSW. Juggxrnaught tested well and Black Tom didn’t so Tom gets whacked in reshoots and they add a little bit to show Juggie is still alive. I imagine that would be an easy scene to reshoot, too. Just add a shot of Black Tom eating one of Cable's bullets, then have Reynolds dub a new line about how Cable killed Black Tom.
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May 19, 2018 18:18
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Macdeo Lurjtux posted:Only two complaints were Literally my only complaint about the movie.
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May 19, 2018 19:00
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I'm sort of curious if we're ever gonna see the SXSW cut, now. I have a feeling it's a pretty different movie.
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May 19, 2018 19:04
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Just got back from this and thought it was overall way better than the first one.
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May 19, 2018 19:07
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Crunk Abortion posted:Literally my only complaint about the movie. Oh poo poo I missed that. Weren't there rumours about a casting for Sinister?
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May 19, 2018 19:21
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BizarroAzrael posted:Oh poo poo I missed that. There were a ton of them, mostly pointing towards Bryan Cranston (who apparently really wants to do it at some point). But the movies Sinister was rumored to be in never used the idea. Logan, DP2, New Mutants. So who knows. They'll use the character eventually, just no idea where.
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May 19, 2018 19:38
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Where is all this SXSW stuff coming from? All I can find is some articles about a test screening in Jan, and that people wanted more Domino and Cable.
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May 19, 2018 20:15
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Watched it last night, it was okey. I wish the time travel fuckery connected Deadopool to the main marvel movies.
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May 19, 2018 20:27
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Legally not allowed to happen.
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May 19, 2018 21:00
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Does Green Lantern fit in the current DCCU? Are they going to want the character back, or is it fair to say between the movie itself and the start dunking on it hard we won't be seeing him again?
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May 19, 2018 21:22
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BizarroAzrael posted:Does Green Lantern fit in the current DCCU? Are they going to want the character back, or is it fair to say between the movie itself and the start dunking on it hard we won't be seeing him again? A Green Lantern Corps movie has been slated for 2020 that's apparently going to completely ignore the previous GL movie.
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May 19, 2018 21:54
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There was a "cameo" in Justice League of a Green Lantern in a flashback, but the producers have said its going to ignore the previous movie.
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May 19, 2018 21:57
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My favorite thing we learned from this movie is that during his downtime, Colossus likes to re-read the X-men rulebook for fun
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May 19, 2018 22:37
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Just saw it and I absolutely loved it. The whole theater was really into it with lots of laughter, and I was surprised at how much people groaned at the gorier parts. By the end of it my ribs were real sore from laughing. My only nitpick is that they leaned in to phrasing things sexually a few too many times, and I would have liked for them to have gone for different jokes sometimes, though not for the times where the jokes landed really well. Real solid fight scenes.They also kept SO many awesome things out of the trailers and what was in the trailers sometimes had a second layer to it that wasn't shown in them, and really enhanced the jokes. If the reshoot changes described in the thread are accurate then they were awesome choices and dramatically improve the movie in my view. The whole mid-credits sequence was the best one I've seen in a Marvel movie hands down and had me howling with laughter (and was the final blow to my ribs), even if it went after some obvious targets it went after them really well. I would have loved to have seen just one or two more little bits mixed in there, maybe referencing back to DP 1. I'm holding out hopes for proper MCU tie-ins and cameos in Deadpool 3, even a small one would be great. The cameos this time around were super well done, I'm looking forward to the DVD release to really soak them in since some went by so fast, though I do know who cameos and where they appear now after poking around the internet.
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May 19, 2018 23:00
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WampaLord posted:My favorite thing we learned from this movie is that during his downtime, Colossus likes to re-read the X-men rulebook for fun Colossus being a total boy scout is the best thing to come out of the X-men movies.
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May 19, 2018 23:10
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The last part of the mid-credits scene was like an homage to Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, which I would love to see but will never be made unless its in an animated format.
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May 19, 2018 23:11
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swickles posted:The last part of the mid-credits scene was like an homage to Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe, which I would love to see but will never be made unless its in an animated format. Ah I didn't make that connection but yeah it totally fits that style, especially the end of the comic. It is basically the movie analog to what the comic did too, kinda nifty.
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May 19, 2018 23:30
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The Bond credits scene set a great tone for the whole movie. I'm more excited for Deadpool 3 than I am for Avengers 4: Infinity Wars Too!
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I think in terms of story structure and cinematography, the first one might be better. That's partly because origin stories are easy to write, but going back and watching the opening of the first movie again, Tim Miller's absence stands out. I noticed several shot/reverse dialogue scenes that would almost certainly have been a lot more dynamic in the first one. But on the other hand, drat is this one a lot funnier.
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