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Man, whenever you talk about the 968 I remember how much I want one.
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slidebite posted:Man, whenever you talk about the 968 I remember how much I want one. I kept nudging the people checking out 996 away from the 968 because I didn't want them to know how much better the 968 was.
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Needed to do the oil on the 996 so I took the opporuntiy to drop the sump pan as I've been wanting to take a peek for ~mystery chunks~ (IE, metallic, timing chain pad bits, etc, anything you expect to see in a 19 year old car). All I can say is, gently caress Superior German Adhesives  I had to whap that thing on the sides with the mallet forever, and eventually had to try prying it so I used the round side of a 10mm wrench which eventually worked. Good news, nothing. Inside of the pan looks great. No tensioner pad chunks, no mysteries, looks really good. Just want to remove the baffles now and clean it up for the reinstall.   Also, I learned my lesson from last time and used a totally open drain pan to swallow the 9.5L of 5W40 without the re-enactment of the Exxon Valdez in my garage. Then, on to the brakes.
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Apr 23, 2018 01:31
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Did some cleanup on the sump plate. However, wasn't as clean as a whistle. In the baffle box, I did pick out a few small pieces of timing chain tensioner pad. To be honest, this is completely to be expected and actually way less than I expected to see based on some peoples posts on Rennlist forums.  Baffles are kind of interesting and the basics of how they work  Just a very basic flapper that acts as a valve for high G cornering. Lets oil flow in, but not out. Not sure how effective it is as I have heard of some oil starvation failures after track days but seems reasonable enough. 
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I thought I read somewhere that the 911's are dry sump no? I'm not really familiar with dry sump systems so I'm not sure if I'm looking at one. The shallowness of the pan coming off and how low the oil pickup is makes me think yes, but there's a good amount of room above that removable bottom so maybe not?
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Apr 24, 2018 18:10
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Porsche calls it an integrated dry sump. Basically, the oil tank is integral from what I understand, although it seems very similar to a standard wet sump to me. Like you say, it doesn't have the big gently caress off deep pan like a typical motor. Some googling you'll see better explanations than I can give.
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Apr 24, 2018 18:22
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Blue On Blue posted:'05 997 with 140,000km on the clock , aside from the fact both the transmission and engine are probably due to be replaced Are you saying a 2005 Porsche with 87000 miles is looking at an imminent engine and transmission replacement? Or are you joking?
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Apr 25, 2018 01:33
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:Are you saying a 2005 Porsche with 87000 miles is looking at an imminent engine and transmission replacement? Or are you joking? My bad I'm tired maybe I'm missing the pun No I'm not joking .... lots of similar year lower mileage cars I've looked at have had engine replacements due to one problem or another Are you saying this shouldn't be an issue to be concerned about?
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Apr 25, 2018 01:39
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Blue On Blue posted:My bad I'm tired maybe I'm missing the pun
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GentlemanofLeisure posted:I actually don't know a lot about these cars, and was surprised to see your post. Had no idea these were biting the dust at those mileage numbers. Well I dont really know either:) My impression was from mynown search for a car was there are a metric tonne of cars from 2000-2004 with between 80-120k km , and a good number of the listings have replaced motors or transmission bits I only assumed a newer car with even more miles would be more likely to have a problem, but like you said I don't really know maybe the engines are bulletproof past 200k and its the owners driving like dicks that did the car in Happy to hear from the other experts though, I'm gonna try to go check out the one I posted about tomorrow, but I have a feeling its already sold at that price
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Apr 25, 2018 03:15
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Is that separate from the IMS thing? M97 engine is, as far as I know, extremely expensive. I think it would be more of a scandal if they needed replacement at 80-90k.
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Apr 25, 2018 06:28
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News flash, porsche are not hondas. Spending 40k to replace upgrade an engine is just what you do. 1 year wait times for the best engine guys.
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IMS is the big thing for the 996/997 but there can be other failures, all of which are arguably way more hyped than they deserve. God I just jinxed myself didn't I?  Elephanthead posted:News flash, porsche are not hondas. Spending 40k to replace upgrade an engine is just what you do. 1 year wait times for the best engine guys.
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Yeah, I get Porsches are expensive. My thinking was more, considering these cars are selling used for around 30k, I would be surprised if the engines routinely needed major work or replacement at 50-70% of your purchase price. But maybe I'm wrong and that's why they're selling for 30k in the first place.
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Other than the IMS and some other much less common problems like D-chunk and bore scoring those engines should be pretty much fine for at least 200k miles without worrying about overhauling. The 996 I just sold had 134k miles on the original engine without anything unusual and still ran perfectly strong. Also there's been some theorycrafting that the IMS issue was more likely with lower miles cars since they weren't getting engine oil splashing into the IMS area as much but the sample size is way to small to ever know. To prevent IMS nightmares buy a dual row car, buy a later one with either the original IMS bearing still installed, or one with paperwork from a shop certified by LN to do the replacement. My 996 C2 had the original dual row although the PO had an EPS IMS bearing included with the car. They're not some impossible to repair car like a true exotic and you can find almost any of the normal parts at any parts store for pretty normal prices. They made a ton of 996s and up compared the prior 911s so a lot of the horror stories built over decades of Porsche ownership don't hold up as much anymore plus there's way more knowledge in the community and specialists compared to almost any other car I've owned. edit: one last this is that if you want a cheaper Porsche to bomb around in I'm going to plug the 968 since it's got the rock solid 944 family underpinnings taken to their peak with a 993-ish front end and overall way better body than 944s ever had. They're relatively cheap, drive great, and are appreciating slowly since they're pretty rare. I love mine and if I wasn't doing thangs I would never consider selling it. Jymmybob fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Apr 25, 2018 |
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+1 on modern Porsches being relatively nice to work on and having good parts availability and not insane pricing. I can't speak for the classics, but I've dealt with two 987 boxsters now and they're nice to work on. The boxster and 911 share a surprising number of parts, and I've found parts prices to be very reasonable for the maintenance items, and even the specialty items like underbody cladding is in line with what you'd expect to pay on a modern import. The difference is that there's just a lot more of it. Reliability wise I wouldn't expect you need a new motor/transmission at 100k miles, as mentioned over 200k miles would warrant thinking about rebuilding. The IMS issue is overstated and the last numbers I heard was less than 8% of cars affected. Not negligible but not  like people online make it seem. You might also be seeing some selection bias where the cars that experienced problems are the ones you see more often for sale, rather a proper representative sample of the population.
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On the (clearly recurring) topic of IMS bearings, I'm considering a 986 with 100k miles -- my understanding is that if the bearing was to fail if not replaced, it probably would have by now? Since something like ~8% of them are susceptible, and I've read that they go after something like 40k miles, should be fine?
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Tactical Lesbian posted:On the (clearly recurring) topic of IMS bearings, I'm considering a 986 with 100k miles -- my understanding is that if the bearing was to fail if not replaced, it probably would have by now? Since something like ~8% of them are susceptible, and I've read that they go after something like 40k miles, should be fine? I wouldn't skip it if it's a single row since it's under $2000 to fix and there's plenty of other stuff to do while your in there like clutch, RMS, etc. I wouldn't worry about buying one with the original, I'd just budget having it done soon after. On the other hand if you get it cheap enough then it might be reasonable to just play the odds and part it out if it blows.
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I've always been very skeptical of that 8% number that's been thrown around. The genesis of that number seems to have come from Porsche data in a class action suit. Keep in mind that number would only have increased since then and wouldn't have taken into account people that looked after it on their own. That said, I've got a 99 myself with 115KMs (71K Miles) and I'm genuinely on the fence about the bearing. If I keep the car, I might drop the engine and rebuild it just for the sake of going through it completely. Either myself or possibly through FSI, but that would literally cost as much as the car is worth so 
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Fired it up and took it for a 
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Any convertible experts here? The top on my 987 is fairly noisy while moving and I want to see if I can figure out how to quiet it down or if it's even an issue. My older 987 was definitely quieter, but it seems like the top mechanism is higher up on this one maybe? My memory is kinda fuzzy on this. In any case, it's not creaking or making cracking noises which is what I keep finding online for people having issues with noise from the mechanism, it's just got a loud geartrain noise, like a whining sound. Seems to actuate fine otherwise. I'm not sure if I should be worried. Maybe I'll try grabbing a video after the weekend.
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Installed a cold air intake on a 986 today.... took way longer than it should have. 
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I pulled the 944 out of storage over the weekend It's been leaking some coolant from a sensor about halfway down the radiator, only when it's been cold overnight (it was doing it in the fall as well). The sensor seemed difficult to get at but I haven't looked at it since the fall.
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New Porsches are too smart for their own good. Was replacing the rear license plate lights and after removing the old ones I plug in one new one and nothing. I swap polarity on the connector to the bulb, nada. Try the other one and same thing for both positions. Plug in the old one, and no go either. poo poo, I probably popped a fuse somehow. Looked through the search results since there's no guide on the inside of the cover unlike every other make, and the fuse is good. Weird. Pulled out a multimeter and fuse has power but nothing at the socket. From results online it looks like the connector between the licence plate harness and the rear harness is prone to corrosion. California car but sure, maybe it's corroded. You have to pull the rear bumper to access the connection. drat it. Through more searching, it turns out the bcm tests the wiring and if there's a bulb out or a short it kills power to the circuit. I plug in both lights at the same time. Nothing. Cycle the key and viola! The lights work! Thank you for joining me in this journey through madness.
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Bajaha posted:Cycle the key and voila! The lights work! Ah, the ol spicy turn off / turn on.
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It's amazing how often that actually works
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I can't remember is someone else in here was complaining about a sticky/stiff accelerator on their 996/997 but I had it and fixed it today on the turbo. All you have to do is take out the one screw retaining the gas pedal assembly, slide it up a bit and the whole thing comes loose. There's 2 ball joints under the pedal, one of them under the little boot, and greasing them freed everything up to silky smoothness and only took about 5 minutes.
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In all seriousness, floor mounted throttles ruined me. That and linear clutch pedal action. I'm thinking of moving on in a year or two (RF for awhile I'm thinking?) but if there's anything that I'm afraid I'll miss it's those, surprisingly EDIT: I sat in a co-worker's RF and pressed down on the clutch and let out a deep sigh, I still want one, but I wanted one less thechalkoutline fucked around with this message at 01:41 on May 19, 2018 |
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May 19, 2018 01:38
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Bajaha posted:It's amazing how often that actually works Boot it and call me back!
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Update: have since replaced an IMS bearing in a driveway. We're basically Porsche mechanics now, right? 
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Are there much differences (aside from prize) between a 2015 and 2018 Cayman? I’m looking at a used one currently but also thinking of just buying new.
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New ones are turbo. Haven't driven a new Cayman, but if the improvements are similar to the 911, it should be pretty good.
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Tactical Lesbian posted:Update: have since replaced an IMS bearing in a driveway. We're basically Porsche mechanics now, right? u bst tyrelhill posted:Are there much differences (aside from prize) between a 2015 and 2018 Cayman? I’m looking at a used one currently but also thinking of just buying new. Disrupting decades of tradition by going from a flat 6 to a turbo'd flat 4 like a fuckin poor is a significant departure any way you look at it tl;dr yes
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That said, it makes NA post-IMS cayman/boxsters that much more desireable
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Having been on BaT for a while, I feel like 951s are approaching the bottom of their price curve, maybe 15-17k for a nice one. Timing is never what you want it to be, cuz that's a pretty good price.
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thechalkoutline posted:That said, it makes NA post-IMS cayman/boxsters that much more desireable It's like the watercooled vs aircooled split all over again. Maybe the turbo 4's will be a good bargain in a decade or so.
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Bajaha posted:It's like the watercooled vs aircooled split all over again. Maybe the turbo 4's will be a good bargain in a decade or so. I desperately hope so because I want a 718 Cayman S lifted on A/T tires for a winter beater in the worst way after sliding one around on ice for an hour. They are loving perfect and make the best noises.
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Bajaha posted:It's like the watercooled vs aircooled split all over again. Maybe the turbo 4's will be a good bargain in a decade or so. Just wait until the 987/981 pricing/value threads on Rennlist. It'll be like the GT3 forum but way sadder.
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Bajaha posted:It's like the watercooled vs aircooled split all over again. Maybe the turbo 4's will be a good bargain in a decade or so. Yeah, I meant not that they were good value but like air cooled, the defunct era is apt to be overvalued Boxster is a candidate for the next car and I wouldnt say no to a turbo 4, still a pity about the exhaust note though
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thechalkoutline posted:Disrupting decades of tradition by going from a flat 6 to a turbo'd flat 4 like a fuckin poor is a significant departure any way you look at it poo poo, didn’t notice that... I think I’m gonna hold out and see what older models I can find. Thanks!
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