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Imperialist Dog posted:gently caress these people forever The members of the Thought Society pour over a chart of the numbers of pointless deaths Mao caused (measured in millions) and decide: MAO MAO MAO
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coolusername posted:Huh. That isn't in the travel op, is it? Even if it was a Chinese coworker the booking had to have your name on the booking. Hotels won’t let you check into the rooms unless the booking number matches with the booking name. The easiest way to change the booking name is to be the one who actually paid or reserved the room. In most countries that means the credit card number and credit card name which in most cases is the same as the booking name. In most countries valid id is passport with your visa stamp is. But all this hotel explanation business is bullshit when hotel rooms can have 2 names for one room, your coworker and yours. I’m not sure how your coworker booked the room for you but if it was a regular international hotel all this hassle would more or less be resolved at the front desk because front desk would call the person who made the booking to add an extra guest name. If it’s a cheap hotel chain then it’s a hit and miss and depends on how smart they are or their experience in dealing with these situations. If it’s a trainee then you are so hosed unless you can pressure them to get what you want. As for Chinese coworker it really depends on how well traveled they are and their age. Domestic hotels have a giant bracket that says (内宾) and i supposed if they are younger than 25 they would not have no idea. The only way to register those hotels is to punch in a Chinese id. So as far as hotel knows they think it’s another 李小明. But gently caress the system and the hotel staff for just shoeing you out like some hobo. And shanghai is getting pricey, if it’s some big expo then even hostel bunk beds can hit up to 300 rmb a night. And the hotels in jingan city center can go up to 550
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May 21, 2018 02:30
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Baby formula situation starting to get serious in Australia
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May 21, 2018 02:54
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May 21, 2018 02:55
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Did they crack down on the foreigner in hotel thing? 9 or so years ago I used to stay in 100-200 rmb/night 酒店 hotels all the time in Guangdong and they’d just want to see my visa and passport.
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May 21, 2018 03:10
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Everything's been slowly getting stricter since the rise of Xi Huangdi.
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May 21, 2018 03:18
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I was told by a person working at an international hotel that the paperwork for foreigners staying at hotels has actually gotten stricter very recently. Just a few months ago, hotels could register foreigners online, but now they actually have to to the police station with the passport.
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May 21, 2018 03:23
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:The can limit will be strictly enforced holy heck
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May 21, 2018 03:47
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Khorne posted:In the US, too. Some states have messed up liquor laws when it comes to out of state IDs. Think the drinking age is 21? Try 25, or even not being able to buy alcohol at all, with certain out of state IDs in some of the states. how are you gonna say in good faith that a liquor law with out of state id is the same as “literally zero people that aren’t from this country can be here” I mean yes they are both laws but do you really think there isn’t a distinction between the two Also you don’t drink? How tf do you post on the forums then lol
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May 21, 2018 04:03
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Why are they so freaky about which hotels foreigners stay in in the first place? Is it because of the "all foreigners cause trouble and use our rooms for prostitution" stereotype, or just a petty way to make life less comfortable for non-Chinese?
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May 21, 2018 04:18
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Devils Affricate posted:Why are they so freaky about which hotels foreigners stay in in the first place? Is it because of the "all foreigners cause trouble and use our rooms for prostitution" stereotype, or just a petty way to make life less comfortable for non-Chinese? You need to register foreign visitors at the local police station, a lot of the cheaper hotels simply don't bother with the extra paperwork/overhead. A process which based on what I've heard recently has become even more complicated. It's a "legal" issue, and not a "hotel" issue.
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May 21, 2018 04:21
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fish and chips and dip posted:You need to register foreign visitors at the local police station, a lot of the cheaper hotels simply don't bother with the extra paperwork/overhead. A process which based on what I've heard recently has become even more complicated. It's a "legal" issue, and not a "hotel" issue. Yeah ok but why
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May 21, 2018 04:22
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Also only certain apartment buildings permit foreign residents. There was a big complex near my school called INTERNATIONAL CITY that my school was going to rent apartments in for teachers, but they don't allow foreigners.
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May 21, 2018 04:22
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Imperialist Dog posted:gently caress these people forever The chad sparrow vs the virgin Mao
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah ok but why All foreigners in China are tracked. You have to register with the police wherever you go or you can be fined/deported. Once/if they get the national facial recognition system working it'll be pretty much real time tracking, might replace the police registration.
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May 21, 2018 04:24
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah ok but why Officially it's for safety they say, so they know where foreigners are staying and so they can get help in case of emergency or something (yeah right, lol). Unofficially it's just another layer of control/monitoring over the people staying in glorious China, so they don't step too far out of line.
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May 21, 2018 04:27
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It's a stupendously paranoid quasi-fascist police state, they don't need reasons.
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May 21, 2018 04:29
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Seems kind of weird to focus so heavily on hotels, though. What if a foreigner stays somewhere else, like at a local friend's place? That's what I did when I went to China, although that was way back just prior to the 2008 Olympics. We never had to register for poo poo, but I guess things could have gotten much stricter since then.
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May 21, 2018 04:31
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Devils Affricate posted:Seems kind of weird to focus so heavily on hotels, though. What if a foreigner stays somewhere else, like at a local friend's place? That's what I did when I went to China, although that was way back just prior to the 2008 Olympics. We never had to register for poo poo. You broke the law when you stayed there. You have to register no matter where you are. Hotels just do it for you automatically.
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Devils Affricate posted:Seems kind of weird to focus so heavily on hotels, though. What if a foreigner stays somewhere else, like at a local friend's place? That's what I did when I went to China, although that was way back just prior to the 2008 Olympics. We never had to register for poo poo, but I guess things could have gotten much stricter since then. Technically, every town/city you stay in over night requires that you register with local police. . . because. . . Grand Fromage posted:It's a stupendously paranoid quasi-fascist police state, they don't need reasons.
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May 21, 2018 04:35
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An endless array of Byzantine laws and mandatory procedures is a great way of selectively prosecuting anyone you might want to put away for other reasons.
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May 21, 2018 04:36
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Dang I guess I'm an international criminal (for the lamest crime possible)
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May 21, 2018 04:37
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It’s china, so a lot of the really frivolous over enforcement of nuisance laws (or, in Xinjiang, the disappearances entire families) is done to prevent risk or get the numbers up for low level bureaucrats.
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I don’t remember there being a fuss when Mrs. Burd and I had to get a room in Beijing in 2015, but that was pretty close to the embassy so I’d guess they took care of it. You’d have to do the song and dance regardless of whether you did the reserving right? I’m pretty sure there was nothing like that going on when we did the wedding but Weifang is pretty out there. Playing it more loosely may be a thing in that area. Edit - My only interaction with Chinese police was some dude in a nowhere village taking notice of me and making a point to cross the street right then and there to approach me. I was briefly concerned, but he apparently knew a bit of English and wanted to show off or something. It was cute in a goofy way. Warbird fucked around with this message at 04:46 on May 21, 2018 |
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May 21, 2018 04:43
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etalian posted:The chad sparrow vs the virgin Mao The sparrows had it coming.
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Is there a great deal of wisdom in rolling out a facial recognition system to a country where it’s totally normal to wear a mask for pretty much any reason?
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To follow the letter of the law, you have to register with the police every time you re-enter China, even if you have residence permit and you already registered there when you moved in. Most places this isn't enforced though.
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May 21, 2018 04:51
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah ok but why Don't assume malice when chabuduo is sufficient.
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May 21, 2018 04:55
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Warbird posted:Is there a great deal of wisdom in rolling out a facial recognition system to a country where it’s totally normal to wear a mask for pretty much any reason? The Chinese government is indeed well known for their great deal of wisdom, so yes.
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i met with a chinese friend of mine, she walked up to me with a parasol. i called her dainty and she got mad, and claimed it was because of fearing skin cancer (she spends almost all her time indoors). her mother and she are 100% american and dont know any chinese but i thought it was funny and on topic
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Warbird posted:Is there a great deal of wisdom in rolling out a facial recognition system to a country where it’s totally normal to wear a mask for pretty much any reason? Mandatory QR codes on every paper face mask Relin posted:i met with a chinese friend of mine, she walked up to me with a parasol. i called her dainty and she got mad, and claimed it was because of fearing skin cancer (she spends almost all her time indoors). her mother and she are 100% american and dont know any chinese but i thought it was funny and on topic None of my ABC friends/coworkers know how to loving swim (except for my Taiwanese homey)
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regarding police registration, yes hotels do it for you automatically. Every time you leave and enter China you are supposed to tell them. I’ve never done this though I have registered more or less every year. When my wife came back with our son, I went to register like five months late and the guy told me I had to pay a fine. I was like nah I’ve been here a ton and you guys told me to come back. He told me to wait a minute. Then six drunk guys came in from a fight the night before and the guy told me to just leave and filed my paperwork. China, where truth is what you make it, ftw
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I forgot I had this HSK app on my phone and I opened one of the "articles" it has about China. So much gold in this infographic:
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May 21, 2018 05:47
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Devils Affricate posted:Yeah ok but why Like what I said, it’s a legacy thing from the 70s and only special foreign dignitaries could stay at a hotel. As the country opened up they didn’t scrap the bureaucratic layer. Having a specialized licensing also paved way for more corruption. A few years back you can use your friends id to register hotels but nowadays it won’t outright work. Or the hotel staff use someone else’s id to register. So yes it’s a way to track foreigners and charge them more because this system mostly applies to the lower end of hotels where migrants and weirdos and internet posters go. Your average Chinese person probably wouldn’t know or care. But people in the bigger cities or who follow general news tend to be more aware.
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30 years ago migrant workers moved in droves to the cities to find work illegally. Similar to undocumented workers in USA they were afraid to be out on the street because they would have to pay a 100 rmb bribe (half a month salary) or get deported back to their home town. So working conditions were even worse and you had factory bosses disappearing overnight without paying anyone anything. The workers couldn’t go to the police and you also had another predatory group exploiting the workers. Criminal gangs, robberies, theft, scam artists, and what started showing up as well. All these after effects because of the hukou system and now there’s a poor goon who got stranded in some hotel lobby. This sucks but my work and family is here so I’m here for life
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Russia requires tourists to register in any city they spend more than 3 days in. Most people have their hotel do it for them. Citizens are also obligated to register but the minimum period is longer, like 2 weeks or a month.
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Because this also doubles as the Good Best Korea thread: https://twitter.com/annafifield/status/998320544729612288
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Of course they never did, what possible reason would they have to do so? Being a normal country that exists within the normal deterrence system we've settled into between the nuclear armed states, sure, but giving them up? lol no.
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Grand Fromage posted:All foreigners in China are tracked. You have to register with the police wherever you go or you can be fined/deported. Once/if they get the national facial recognition system working it'll be pretty much real time tracking, might replace the police registration. This is also why it's virtually impossible for foreigners to leave any of the main urban areas unless its with a state-sanctioned guide, lest they get endlessly harassed and possibly arrested its important to keep in mind that rural china is so lovely that even the shittiest chinese city is a de-facto potemkin village by comparison
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