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FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009
Oh thank goodness my disability stuff has been postponed, that's one stresser down.

also, monster high animation is so bad, the characters look like someone is stretching their heads up and down to make them talk

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oddium
Feb 21, 2006

end of the 4.5 tatami age

hey that's how i talk. check yourself

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
what monster would stretch a face like this

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

Jay Rust posted:

So what makes a game action-adventure vs plain action or plain adventure?

Most games that I'd categorize as "action-adventure" feature some element of free-form exploration to them. Zelda games and Horizon Zero Dawn fall under that umbrella, while something like Uncharted doesn't (even though it's about adventure) because it's generally a straightforward action game.

"Adventure game" has come to mean point-and-click adventure and anything in that category so unlike the term "action-RPG" I don't think "action-adventure" is meant to imply a fusion between two genres, so much as it means an action game where the player is free to direct their adventure to a certain degree.

exquisite tea posted:

I am more or less an RPG literalist when it comes to meaningless distinctions like these and would personally define an RPG as "any game where the player character expresses a distinct role within the game world." So if there are some trendy mechanics like skill trees, crafting, stats and loot in the game that doesn't necessarily mean it's an RPG to me. Assassin's Creed Origins isn't a roleplaying game just becase Bayek has some dialogue choices and unlocks chained shot at level 5 or whatever, he's always an assassin. There have to be distinct character classes, jobs, whatever the game wants to call them to really inhabit a role and therefore make it an RPG. So Horizon Zero Dawn, The Witcher, Zelda -- just action-adventure games, not RPGs. Diablo, Final Fantasy, Divinity -- all under the spectrum of RPGs.

This is my completely arbitrary and useless definition, thanks for listening folks.

What about the Final Fantasy games where you don't really have a say in what role the characters play? For example, Final Fantasy IV (in most of its versions) doesn't feature any sort of character building or even determining your party members. Every party member has a set class, with a set skill progression, and you never get to choose your party--at the end, it's always going to be Cecil, Rosa, Kain, Edge, and Rydia.

I mention that because those characters' roles are pretty much the same as, say, Bayek's in AC Origins: he's got the character class Assassin, and you don't get to change that. Same for the FF4 characters (Cecil does change jobs but it's part of the story), and FF9 as well (Vivi's never not going to be a Black Mage).

I'm not really trying to argue that AC Origins is an "RPG," necessarily. I guess I'm just sorta talking myself out of even trying to define "RPG."

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

DisDisDis posted:

which one is monster high

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

oddium posted:

hey that's how i talk. check yourself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2_ZVXcIojDU

A video of oddium lip syncing

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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"RPG elements" have infused pretty much every other genre because designers figured out those elements are a great way to satisfy player needs for progression, keep a difficulty curve manageable, sell them microtransactions, etc.

Hopper
Dec 28, 2004

BOOING! BOOING!
Grimey Drawer
Has anyone said that Diablo is the Dark Souls of ARPGs yet?

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013

didn't think there'd be one that made me think twice about ghost girl, but there she is

Annie Chickenstalker
Oct 12, 2005

Of course you dont know, YOU dont know because only I know


Grimey Drawer
The correct term for a Diablo-like should be

haveblue
Aug 15, 2005



Toilet Rascal

This is when you make a diablo clone by committing rampant asset theft right

FirstAidKite
Nov 8, 2009

haveblue posted:

This is when you make a diablo clone by committing rampant asset theft right

No, it's when you take ownership of a diablo or diablo-style game and take its power for your own, becoming stronger in every way at the expense of losing more humanity and your peers fearing you for doing such an ethically wrong thing

DLC Inc
Jun 1, 2011

Jay Rust posted:

Something interesting is Witcher 3's main story is about 50 hours but doing side quests can bump it up to 100, whereas (according to howlongtobeat.com) Persona 5's main story is 100 hours but 110 with the side content.

If you absolutely have to make a long rear end game I prefer the first version

Yeah same, I love P5 but a LOT of the game is spent skipping through days or watching story scenes, or doing side stuff like Tartarus Subway. I haven't even beaten it yet, I let it languish when I got to the Casino lol. Someday I'll beat it.

axelblaze
Oct 18, 2006

Congratulations The One Concern!!!

You're addicted to Ivory!!

and...oh my...could you please...
oh my...

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/surfbordt/status/998967281542750208?s=20

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Does Gamestop take bitcoin yet

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

stupid banks making me keep overdrafting my account, if only there was a better way

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


Harrow posted:

What about the Final Fantasy games where you don't really have a say in what role the characters play? For example, Final Fantasy IV (in most of its versions) doesn't feature any sort of character building or even determining your party members. Every party member has a set class, with a set skill progression, and you never get to choose your party--at the end, it's always going to be Cecil, Rosa, Kain, Edge, and Rydia.

I mention that because those characters' roles are pretty much the same as, say, Bayek's in AC Origins: he's got the character class Assassin, and you don't get to change that. Same for the FF4 characters (Cecil does change jobs but it's part of the story), and FF9 as well (Vivi's never not going to be a Black Mage).

I'm not really trying to argue that AC Origins is an "RPG," necessarily. I guess I'm just sorta talking myself out of even trying to define "RPG."

Still an RPG to me because your party members have a distinct, well-defined role in the game world, even if their class, stats etc. are predetermined.

And yes it's still an RPG even if your party's classes are never defined by name.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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My favorite RPG is Battlefield 4.

Maybe FIFA

DisDisDis
Dec 22, 2013
this is rpg gaming

https://twitter.com/frog_kun/status/986406897870766080

Harrow
Jun 30, 2012

exquisite tea posted:

Still an RPG to me because your party members have a distinct, well-defined role in the game world, even if their class, stats etc. are predetermined.

And yes it's still an RPG even if your party's classes are never defined by name.

I guess I wonder how that differs from AC Origins. Bayek's role is "assassin," and it's well-defined and distinct. You can't change it, but you do get equipment, level up, learn new abilities, etc. The core difference is how you interact with enemies: in FF4, it's through pseudo-turn-based battle, while in AC Origins, it's through stealth and action combat. Well, I guess another difference is that you're solo in AC Origins and have a party in FF4--maybe that pushes it over the edge? Is it more that your party members in FF4 have different roles to play in relation to each other?


I actually do wonder why there aren't more specifically sports-themed RPGs. Obviously there's Golf Story, and Pyre is based around a ritualized sport instead of violent combat, but I can't think of many beyond that.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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Harrow posted:

I guess I wonder how that differs from AC Origins. Bayek's role is "assassin," and it's well-defined and distinct. You can't change it, but you do get equipment, level up, learn new abilities, etc. The core difference is how you interact with enemies: in FF4, it's through pseudo-turn-based battle, while in AC Origins, it's through stealth and action combat. Well, I guess another difference is that you're solo in AC Origins and have a party in FF4--maybe that pushes it over the edge? Is it more that your party members in FF4 have different roles to play in relation to each other?

I love playing definition games because if we went down that road, that makes The Witcher 3 less of an RPG than Call of Duty WWII

Harrow posted:

I actually do wonder why there aren't more specifically sports-themed RPGs. Obviously there's Golf Story, and Pyre is based around a ritualized sport instead of violent combat, but I can't think of many beyond that.

People have been saying that NBA 2K is a legit great RPG and it is. You have a character that you level up and you have a story arc that involves making decisions that shape your character.

I really like that it inspired FIFA and Madden to do the same thing

CharlieFoxtrot fucked around with this message at 18:15 on May 22, 2018

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


CharlieFoxtrot posted:

I love playing definition games because if we went down that road, that makes The Witcher 3 less of an RPG than Call of Duty WWII

I agree.

Ometeotl
Feb 13, 2012



It's MISSEL! Or SISSLE!
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Loot em ups

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004


I have $21,000 in savings but today I am going to transfer it all into Gamestop pre-orders.

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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I would pay $60 for a Blitzball sports sim

exquisite tea
Apr 21, 2007

Carly shook her glass, willing the ice to melt. "You still haven't told me what the mission is."

She leaned forward. "We are going to assassinate the bad men of Hollywood."


I said come in! posted:

I have $21,000 in savings but today I am going to transfer it all into Gamestop pre-orders.

How does it feel to be wealthier than 90% of all Americans.

I said come in!
Jun 22, 2004

exquisite tea posted:

How does it feel to be wealthier than 90% of all Americans.

I'm going to be depressed if that's not a joke.

Serf
May 5, 2011


I said come in! posted:

I'm going to be depressed if that's not a joke.

lol

Taintrunner
Apr 10, 2017

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

I said come in! posted:

I'm going to be depressed if that's not a joke.

It's really not. http://money.cnn.com/2018/01/18/pf/lack-of-savings-cover-unexpected-expense/index.html

Shindragon
Jun 6, 2011

by Athanatos
Well might as well start now because pretty much nearly everyone is knee deep in debt and loans.

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

I said come in! posted:

I'm going to be depressed if that's not a joke.

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahah

The majority of Americans have less than $3,000 in savings.

Serf
May 5, 2011


ONE YEAR LATER posted:

Hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahhahah

The majority of Americans have less than $3,000 in savings.

$1200 checking in

CharlieFoxtrot
Mar 27, 2007

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I said come in! posted:

I'm going to be depressed if that's not a joke.

Doorknob Slobber
Sep 10, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
I've got around $200 in savings whoop

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~
It's almost like genres are an artificial construct designed to label games to advertise to consumers by evoking certain processes and themes in divides that no longer make sense in a modern technological era.

Waltzing Along
Jun 14, 2008

There's only one
Human race
Many faces
Everybody belongs here
What? You don't consider your non-digital video game collection a savings account?

Serf
May 5, 2011


wait, lol, do you have to account for debts when it comes to savings? if so i have negative $35,000 then

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Serf posted:

wait, lol, do you have to account for debts when it comes to savings? if so i have negative $35,000 then
lol

ONE YEAR LATER
Apr 13, 2004

Fry old buddy, it's me, Bender!
Oven Wrangler

Serf posted:

$1200 checking in

I'll hopefully have my car paid off by October and then I can start saving a little more. But I read the article about having twice your yearly salary in saving by age 35 and I just laughed until I cried.

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homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

my savings account is the concept of capitalism failing within my lifetime

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