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My Lovely Horse posted:oh poo poo I forgot to mention how there's also a skill for how well you can wear armor next to the dodge skill Splicer posted:ask him about grappling
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Subjunctive posted:OK? Why don’t people want them to do that? Warhammer is starship troopers without the self-awareness. Adapting that for kids almost seems irresponsible.
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May 22, 2018 20:38
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Lurdiak posted:Warhammer is starship troopers without the self-awareness. Adapting that for kids almost seems irresponsible. You have to be clear about which Starship Troopers you're referring to - the Verhoeven movie (which is self-aware) or Heinlein's original text (in which martial governments - which are loosely democratic at best, since only those who serve in the military are granted suffrage and other rights ascribed to citizens - are seen as a Good Thing).
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May 22, 2018 23:32
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Lurdiak posted:Warhammer is starship troopers without the self-awareness. Adapting that for kids almost seems irresponsible. Really? Because the Warhammer 40k I grew up with was self aware to the point of parody with space marines who were so macho they shot testosterone out of their tear ducts, and were anti-mutant but spat poison. And the Warhammer Fantasy Battle I grew up with had as its iconic character a ratcatcher with a small but vicious dog, and orc football hooligans playing an explicit parody of American Football. Meanwhile the Starship Troopers I grew up with was written by someone who thought that only veterans having the vote was a good thing. The film of Starship Troopers of course was a satire on the book - and I believe that in the early oughties even the orks stopped being tongue in cheek. But that's not the settings I grew up with.
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May 23, 2018 00:00
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neonchameleon posted:Really? Because the Warhammer 40k I grew up with was self aware to the point of parody with space marines who were so macho they shot testosterone out of their tear ducts, and were anti-mutant but spat poison. We're not in the 90s any more. 40k stopped being self-aware 10-15 years ago.
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Lemon-Lime posted:We're not in the 90s any more. 40k stopped being self-aware 10-15 years ago. Seriously, there may be bits of self awareness here and there depending on the writer but contemporary 40K is pretty well earnest in its unironic placement of space marines on a pedestal.
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May 23, 2018 00:52
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May 23, 2018 01:30
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Kai Tave posted:Seriously, there may be bits of self awareness here and there depending on the writer but contemporary 40K is pretty well earnest in its unironic placement of space marines on a pedestal. What's doubly annoying about it is that you could at least theoretically do that and still depict the Imperium as evil, even if you weren't going back to full on satire. The space marines have always been independent groups with their own interpretation of the Imperial Creed, and have gotten into shooting wars with other organs of the Imperium for differences in doctrine/strategy towards problems. It really wouldn't take much to put them into a position of heroes for a lost ideal of the Imperium, in contrast with the reality rotting around them. But of course, that gets a lot harder when you have the space marine forefathers coming in and taking over a big section of the Imperium and more or less going "well this sucks and isn't what we intended" but then so far mostly only changing things by bringing out superduper marines to blow more poo poo up. I mean, maybe they'll surprise us and we'll get Rowboat Girlyman's empire of not-lovely assholes as a separate faction from all the pro-fascist cruft, but at this point who knows.
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May 23, 2018 01:44
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Lemon-Lime posted:We're not in the 90s any more. 40k stopped being self-aware 10-15 years ago. Closer to 20 years at this point. 3rd edition really ramped up the grimdark and removed a lot of the tongue-in-cheek material. You still had the occasional oddball/silly reference (Orks at the time come to mind), but by and large it started to take itself far more seriously around 1998 and hasn't looked back since.
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Desiden posted:What's doubly annoying about it is that you could at least theoretically do that and still depict the Imperium as evil, even if you weren't going back to full on satire. The space marines have always been independent groups with their own interpretation of the Imperial Creed, and have gotten into shooting wars with other organs of the Imperium for differences in doctrine/strategy towards problems. It really wouldn't take much to put them into a position of heroes for a lost ideal of the Imperium, in contrast with the reality rotting around them. Until the citizens get a chance to vote Rowboat Guilestheme out of power and they strip all power from the church, they are still a facist theocracy so yeah they're all bad guys.
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May 23, 2018 03:08
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Guy Goodbody posted:Dude, Flowers in the Attic is one of the most successful and popular YA books of all time. You mention a book nobody younger than 35 has read as a teenager unless their mom obliviously pushed it on them before jumping to The Hunger Games or Divergent series?
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May 23, 2018 03:12
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Subjunctive posted:You could say the same for Harry Potter. "Thing X Is okay because popular thing did thing X." is perhaps the most facile argument one can bring to bear in this situation. Harry Potter has a lot of dumb, embarrassing stuff that's easy to go on about, but that's not really a tangent I have too much interest in dredging up.
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May 23, 2018 03:26
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Subjunctive posted:I don’t really follow GW. Why is a kids game bad? More kids’ games with high production values sounds great to me, as a buyer of kids’ games. To be honest, I could point at all the white supremacists, misogynists, alt-righters, and (formerly crypto-)fascists who unironically love 40k's pro-fascist themes and flock to it like seagulls at a hotdog stand, but to be quite honest this new 40kids product line is pissing those assholes off so incredibly hard that I want this to succeed anyway. This might be intensely stupid but it's getting a lot of very, very horrible people very, very angry and so I'm all for it.
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I mean people of color, half of whom are girls, as mainline characters for a Games Workshop product? The salt is real, plentiful, and delicious.
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May 23, 2018 03:47
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Xarbala posted:I mean people of color, half of whom are girls, as mainline characters for a Games Workshop product? Screenshots, please. I love collecting bigoted white cishet tears.
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May 23, 2018 04:25
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Can you do that on other thread actually
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Yeah s'all goodCovok posted:Screenshots, please. I love collecting bigoted white cishet tears. ayy https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3857559&pagenumber=2&perpage=40#post484311448
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May 23, 2018 04:34
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Are there any decent comparison pieces of the different virtual tabletop options? Like Roll20 vs Fantasy Grounds.
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Covok posted:Screenshots, please. I love collecting bigoted white cishet tears. http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2018/05/40k-warhammer-adventures-the-senseless-freakout.html
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Former Exalted Dev and ex-SA member Holden Shearer is getting internet famous for this Leftist tweet.
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Xelkelvos posted:Former Exalted Dev and ex-SA member Holden Shearer is getting internet famous for this Leftist tweet. Friendly reminder that Holden is an rear end in a top hat who, amongst other things, completely defends and supports his friend and serial sexual harasser John Morke.
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neonchameleon posted:Really? Because the Warhammer 40k I grew up with was self aware to the point of parody with space marines who were so macho they shot testosterone out of their tear ducts, and were anti-mutant but spat poison. And the Warhammer Fantasy Battle I grew up with had as its iconic character a ratcatcher with a small but vicious dog, and orc football hooligans playing an explicit parody of American Football. Meanwhile the Starship Troopers I grew up with was written by someone who thought that only veterans having the vote was a good thing. And then neonchameleon was the boomers.
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:Yeah, we live on the darkest timeline and that's why it rules. It could get subversive or it may just be a bunch of unintentional subtext but either way it's really interesting as a piece of consumer art. I don't even really interact with the product beyond osmosis, so obviously not the best perspective, but generally anything that chips away at the self-serious exterior or provides a sort of distilled (even if, especially if earnest) ridiculousness to me is Really Funny and Good. Especially if this, as mentioned, spreads to the rest of the product as corporate-level decisions are made to change its direction a second time after it embraced the grimdark, to now become DC Cinematic Universe grimdark. Certainly the Chicken Littling of some Warhammer fans is amazing to behold, it's true. I admit the franchise never got its claws into me outside of Necromunda, so for me I've always viewed it from the outside, knowing fans and playing or watching the occasional game, but never going in with both feet outside of my half-painted Ratskin force. It always seemed terribly silly to me and I've never really wavered on that. I'd like to try one of the RPGs sometime just to have some knowledge of it, but the systems have always felt like a lot of work for the reward I'd get out of it.
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Xelkelvos posted:Former Exalted Dev and ex-SA member Holden Shearer is getting internet famous for this Leftist tweet. I still think he should be beaten to death himself for the EX3 delay but hell when he's right he's right.
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May 23, 2018 13:17
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Wasn't he the woke rapist who wrote Beast: The Woke Rapist Monster Game?
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Wasn't he the woke rapist who wrote Beast: The Woke Rapist Monster Game? That was Matt McFarland, aka BlackHatMatt.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Wasn't he the woke rapist who wrote Beast: The Woke Rapist Monster Game? Xelkelvos posted:
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Best. RPGnet mod. Ever.
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What are good systems to use for Zombie games? I've got the Fantasy Flight End of the World: Zombie Apocalypse game which looks neat for a one shot, and I've heard of Red Markets and Outbreak Undead. If I wanted to run a game taking place during or shortly after any outbreak, what system should I use? I don't mind crunch too much, I spend a lot of time playing D20 games, and I don't really like PbtA games.
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Epi Lepi posted:What are good systems to use for Zombie games? I've got the Fantasy Flight End of the World: Zombie Apocalypse game which looks neat for a one shot, and I've heard of Red Markets and Outbreak Undead. If I wanted to run a game taking place during or shortly after any outbreak, what system should I use? I don't mind crunch too much, I spend a lot of time playing D20 games, and I don't really like PbtA games.
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Alien Rope Burn posted:"Thing X Is okay because popular thing did thing X." is perhaps the most facile argument one can bring to bear in this situation. You’re right, not my best work.
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Epi Lepi posted:What are good systems to use for Zombie games? I've got the Fantasy Flight End of the World: Zombie Apocalypse game which looks neat for a one shot, and I've heard of Red Markets and Outbreak Undead. If I wanted to run a game taking place during or shortly after any outbreak, what system should I use? I don't mind crunch too much, I spend a lot of time playing D20 games, and I don't really like PbtA games.
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Epi Lepi posted:What are good systems to use for Zombie games? I've got the Fantasy Flight End of the World: Zombie Apocalypse game which looks neat for a one shot, and I've heard of Red Markets and Outbreak Undead. If I wanted to run a game taking place during or shortly after any outbreak, what system should I use? I don't mind crunch too much, I spend a lot of time playing D20 games, and I don't really like PbtA games. Red Markets is absolutely one of the best takes on the zombie genre (and late stage capitalism, and attritional warfare and resource management) and I cannot recommend it enough.
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I was positively suprised by Shotgun Diaries and we had an enjoyable one-shot night of zombie dsystopia and grimness.
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Xelkelvos posted:Former Exalted Dev and ex-SA member Holden Shearer is getting internet famous for this Leftist tweet. 
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Epi Lepi posted:What are good systems to use for Zombie games? I've got the Fantasy Flight End of the World: Zombie Apocalypse game which looks neat for a one shot, and I've heard of Red Markets and Outbreak Undead. If I wanted to run a game taking place during or shortly after any outbreak, what system should I use? I don't mind crunch too much, I spend a lot of time playing D20 games, and I don't really like PbtA games. In addition to what others have said, maybe some heavily reskinned version of Torchbearer would work?
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neonchameleon posted:Really? Because the Warhammer 40k I grew up with was self aware to the point of parody with space marines who were so macho they shot testosterone out of their tear ducts, and were anti-mutant but spat poison. And the Warhammer Fantasy Battle I grew up with had as its iconic character a ratcatcher with a small but vicious dog, and orc football hooligans playing an explicit parody of American Football. That's not been anything like Warhammer 40k for decades. I remember being a teenager and reading an article in white dwarf about how space marines made a noble sacrifice of their humanity to protect mankind's purity from aliens and mutants, even, and I've not been a teenager for a while now. Also orcs are "soccer" hooligans; their influence is the 80s british football holigan scene which was rather... intense. Unless you mean blood bowl I guess. Xarbala posted:Yeah s'all good I particularly love the one at the top complaining about people with DEGREES!!! Behold, BsCgeddon hath come.
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Xelkelvos posted:Former Exalted Dev and ex-SA member Holden Shearer is getting internet famous for this Leftist tweet. He does have a point
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