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mewse posted:My trained amateur boxer friend with one bout on his record is participating in one of those things (3 months of training before bout) and I think he's gonna maul his opponent Dang, given the scope, allowing 3 mon and a fight is pretty low integrity.
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His one bout was a bloodbath and his face got rearranged in the process of losing so I don't think he understands how far and away better trained he is than some accountant with no training
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May 22, 2018 21:59
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CommonShore posted:Was this the thread where people were wanting to see a show with pro gyms taking untrained people and getting them ready for a fight? I’m surprised they didn’t go with Fairy2Fighter. Maybe that will be the next spinoff.
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May 22, 2018 22:00
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willie_dee posted:Plus I was trt'ing at the time and vowed I wouldn't fight on gear. Not to mention that you wouldn'tt be allowed to compete.
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May 22, 2018 22:01
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Not to mention that you wouldn'tt be allowed to compete. lol do you think these things test and that a lot of the bodybuilder looking guys doing it aren't on roids?
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May 23, 2018 00:54
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mewse posted:My trained amateur boxer friend with one bout on his record is participating in one of those things (3 months of training before bout) and I think he's gonna maul his opponent Surely the fact hes already had a fight completely disqualifies him from this? Kinda hosed up for his opponent, RIP
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May 23, 2018 00:57
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willie_dee posted:lol do you think these things test and that a lot of the bodybuilder looking guys doing it aren't on roids? Did I say that?. Granted, if you're stupid enough to do roids, then I guess you're stupid enough to cheat.
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May 23, 2018 01:17
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Did I say that?. Granted, if you're stupid enough to do roids, then I guess you're stupid enough to cheat. Ha yea look at all those stupid pro athletes cheating, what dumb dumbs. Meanwhile you've got guys fighting accountants when they've had enough training themselves to have already had one fight doing these things. Some guys take fights on these cards specifically to beat the poo poo out of someone with no risk to their pride, and those kind of dick heads are also likely roiding. The organisers don't really give a poo poo because they just want competitors signing up to their program.
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May 23, 2018 02:05
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My gym has hosted a couple seasons of W2W, but it’s a 6 month camp instead of 3. I’ve been pretty impressed by the quality of fighting. They try hard to match people up against whoever is closest in skill level, and if somebody comes in with too much experience they’ll bring in somebody from outside the program to fight them. A lot of them will have like, a year of BJJ or six months of boxing under their belt already. It doesn’t look like retards fighting, is what I’m trying to say.
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May 23, 2018 02:59
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willie_dee posted:Surely the fact hes already had a fight completely disqualifies him from this? Kinda hosed up for his opponent, RIP That's the first thing I asked him, "aren't they gonna see you have a bout in your record book?" and he said he asked them if it's ok that he already has a "little bit" of experience and they said yes. They know he had a bout already. e: and then he started talking about how he's not gonna be able to wear all his gear to the training sessions lest they think he's some kinda pro lol mewse fucked around with this message at 03:40 on May 23, 2018 |
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May 23, 2018 03:38
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:My gym has hosted a couple seasons of W2W, but it’s a 6 month camp instead of 3. I’ve been pretty impressed by the quality of fighting. They try hard to match people up against whoever is closest in skill level, and if somebody comes in with too much experience they’ll bring in somebody from outside the program to fight them. A lot of them will have like, a year of BJJ or six months of boxing under their belt already. It doesn’t look like retards fighting, is what I’m trying to say. That sounds a lot better than what I've seen!
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May 23, 2018 10:40
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Ive seen a couple white collar boxing events that had completely awful bouts. It irritates me when they’re deemed as black tie galas and there’s no real boxing fans in the crowd
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May 23, 2018 15:49
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Isn't that because nearly every ticket is sold to friends and family? I know a ton of people who want me to do it so they can purchase a ticket to see me get beat up.
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May 23, 2018 16:37
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How I understand it is that (here in Québec at least) the amateur MMA guys need a spot given by a promoter to pad their record. To get some fights they get given a bunch of tickets and have to sell them. basically, the promoter doesn't even NEED to promote as the fighter is going to be desperate and ask for everyone at his gym to come over, friends and family too. The first and last amateur MMa event I went too was super sketch. Everyone had t-shirts repping their BJJ or MMA club and lots of fights looked really fixed. An MMA guy I used to train with that retired from that racket pretty much admitted the fights were fixed in many instances.
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May 23, 2018 16:54
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willie_dee posted:Isn't that because nearly every ticket is sold to friends and family? I know a ton of people who want me to do it so they can purchase a ticket to see me get beat up. The ones here are usually billed as fundraisers or something so yeah friends+family and some sketchy charity
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May 23, 2018 17:01
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Odddzy posted:How I understand it is that (here in Québec at least) the amateur MMA guys need a spot given by a promoter to pad their record. To get some fights they get given a bunch of tickets and have to sell them. basically, the promoter doesn't even NEED to promote as the fighter is going to be desperate and ask for everyone at his gym to come over, friends and family too. The first and last amateur MMa event I went too was super sketch. Everyone had t-shirts repping their BJJ or MMA club and lots of fights looked really fixed. An MMA guy I used to train with that retired from that racket pretty much admitted the fights were fixed in many instances. MMA as a business really isn't much different than boxing. The economics of the fight game remain the same in both sports, and the fighters have no bargaining power.
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May 23, 2018 17:51
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Odddzy posted:How I understand it is that (here in Québec at least) the amateur MMA guys need a spot given by a promoter to pad their record. To get some fights they get given a bunch of tickets and have to sell them. basically, the promoter doesn't even NEED to promote as the fighter is going to be desperate and ask for everyone at his gym to come over, friends and family too. The first and last amateur MMa event I went too was super sketch. Everyone had t-shirts repping their BJJ or MMA club and lots of fights looked really fixed. An MMA guy I used to train with that retired from that racket pretty much admitted the fights were fixed in many instances. What does fixing do for the fighters/clubs looking to promote their gym? I can't make sense of the rationale. I can't imagine the average student looking to get their first amateur fight being carney enough to run a fix. At what benefit? To get hurt less?
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May 23, 2018 19:11
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Odddzy posted:How I understand it is that (here in Québec at least) the amateur MMA guys need a spot given by a promoter to pad their record. To get some fights they get given a bunch of tickets and have to sell them. basically, the promoter doesn't even NEED to promote as the fighter is going to be desperate and ask for everyone at his gym to come over, friends and family too. The first and last amateur MMa event I went too was super sketch. Everyone had t-shirts repping their BJJ or MMA club and lots of fights looked really fixed. An MMA guy I used to train with that retired from that racket pretty much admitted the fights were fixed in many instances. the first bit is tragically accurate, but I can't see what they'd mean by fights being fixed, unless they were referring to horrible missmatches which happen all the time. maybe I don't run in the right crowds but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of money changing hands over the outcome of amateur fight sports from my experience
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May 23, 2018 19:19
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Wangsbig posted:the first bit is tragically accurate, but I can't see what they'd mean by fights being fixed, unless they were referring to horrible missmatches which happen all the time. maybe I don't run in the right crowds but there doesn't seem to be a whole lot of money changing hands over the outcome of amateur fight sports from my experience You're right, it's not a lot of cash. The MMA fighter that was in on the fix told me that he basically knew he would never turn pro and stopped training MMA and representing an MMA gym at that point. He was tired of promoting himself for no return so after around 5-6 fights his buddies and him had a good rapport with the promoter that would call him short notice if they had a fighter cancel. He would just throw fights and would get some cash by having his buddies paying him back after their bets against him. As far as I know he only did it one or two times and was for all intents or purposes retired and wasn't called to win, just make a fight so the spectators could see people go through the grinder. I don't know exact figures but he probably never made more than a grand out of it. Amateur MMA is sketch as hell. Fights I didn't know anyone in had super suspicious ref stoppages. It could be that the refs are retarded, but I doubt it. One stoppage I saw once was a guy that wore shin pads being stood back up during a deep straight ankle that should've finished him (his words). Ref said it was because ''the shin pad had to be reset properly on his foot''. I felt like the other guy got robbed and the guy that got saved was from my gym so take that as you will.
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May 23, 2018 20:37
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Odddzy posted:would get some cash by having his buddies paying him back after their bets against him. Yikes, people were in the gym betting on smokers?
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May 23, 2018 21:10
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kimbo305 posted:Yikes, people were in the gym betting on smokers?
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Since no online gambling sites deal in amateur MMA, I'm going to assume that your friend was basically loving around with criminal gambling organizations in this scheme.
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yeah, it was between random people and not a casino or a sports betting site.
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May 23, 2018 21:23
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Odddzy posted:Amateur MMA is sketch as hell. Can anyone tell me what a superfight is? Some of the teens/young adults that train at my gym go do these things for money and prizes? How does that work?
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spacetoaster posted:Can anyone tell me what a superfight is? Some of the teens/young adults that train at my gym go do these things for money and prizes? How does that work? A promoter gets an event together. Some times the main event features two really good local/national dudes at a match, but basically you sign up and send them a resume basically and if they have two dudes with similar weight/skill/age bracket they make that a fight. The fighters are then encouraged to sell tickets and then the promoter takes a cut from ticket sales, pays off the dudes working the night, and whats left is sometimes split among the competitors. It's not a lot, but it's for people who like to compete and maybe want to get a good fight on their resume to show sponsors. I'm not sure if doing super fights from the perspective of making grappling a form of income worth it compared to just going in and winning IBJJF/NAGA/etc until you get famous enough to get that main even spots. Defenestrategy fucked around with this message at 22:18 on May 23, 2018 |
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May 23, 2018 22:11
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Wow, nobody gives a poo poo about their amateur record in Australia. Isn’t that the whole point? Y’all countries are weird.
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May 23, 2018 23:37
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Wow, nobody gives a poo poo about their amateur record in Australia. Isn’t that the whole point? Y’all countries are weird. How do people advance to semi pro or pro? A lot of guys have been given chances based on their amateur record.
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May 24, 2018 00:57
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Requesting advice. I've been training muay thai for a while now, in an effort to get stronger and fitter, and I feel it slowly coming together - my punches are becoming snappy and powerful, my kicks are speeding up, technique is getting better, and things are flowing more; I'm staying relaxed, and even my fitness (I'm a fatass) has slowly grown to the point where I feel energised after training, rather than drained. The problem is that all of the above goes out the window when I'm sparring! Faced with the prospect of being hit, I tense up, stop moving or revert to back/forward movement, fail to manage distance, flail with my hands instead of keeping a solid guard, etc. And this is even when sparring with people I know won't (experienced fighters who can control their power extremely well) or even who can't (people half my size) actually hurt me. How do I stop being such a pussy?!
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Drop Database posted:Requesting advice. I've been training muay thai for a while now, in an effort to get stronger and fitter, and I feel it slowly coming together - my punches are becoming snappy and powerful, my kicks are speeding up, technique is getting better, and things are flowing more; I'm staying relaxed, and even my fitness (I'm a fatass) has slowly grown to the point where I feel energised after training, rather than drained. The problem is that all of the above goes out the window when I'm sparring! Faced with the prospect of being hit, I tense up, stop moving or revert to back/forward movement, fail to manage distance, flail with my hands instead of keeping a solid guard, etc. And this is even when sparring with people I know won't (experienced fighters who can control their power extremely well) or even who can't (people half my size) actually hurt me. How do I stop being such a pussy?! The same process for how you became loose and relaxed during training will eventually happen for you during sparring. A couple things that might help you: try to pay close attention to what your shoulders feel like when they're loose, and when they're rigid and tensed up. When you get a good feeling for what the difference is, you'll start being able to consciously force them to loosen up. They might tense up again when you get distracted by someone trying to hit you, but then you can loosen them again. They'll eventually stay loose. The other thing that helped me is that when someone is pressuring you, you don't just have to cover up and practice your defenses. A lot of the time the best way to get the pressure off you is to sting them with a jab. This seems like a simple thing but it was revelatory to me when I was new to sparring. And if you wanna try something really dumb do some flinching drills
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mewse posted:The same process for how you became loose and relaxed during training will eventually happen for you during sparring. I've been sparring for nearly 2 years, 4-8 rounds per week on average. If it's going to happen by itself, it is taking its time. I've tried out some flinching/dutch drills before, and they sort of work... I get less flinchy and respond more appropriately over the course of a drill, but it doesn't translate to sparring very much.... it's just frustrating, because I see people "get it" who have been training for far less time
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May 24, 2018 02:38
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What's your coaches' feedback on the most immediate fixes you need to make?
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kimbo305 posted:What's your coaches' feedback on the most immediate fixes you need to make? "Give it time" I do try and relax in the moment, including the shoulder-roll to un-tense, when there's a break in trading blows, but I frequently find myself overwhelmed and not really in control.
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May 24, 2018 02:49
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If you're not trying to get a fight I'd say just keep chilling. Not sure if confidence is necessarily teachable so probably keep listening to your coach I guess.
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May 24, 2018 02:58
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willie_dee posted:How do people advance to semi pro or pro? A lot of guys have been given chances based on their amateur record. There are a lot of shows. And Australia is huge so you can just drive or fly to another city if necessary. Getting your first pro bout isn’t hard as long as there’s some tape to prove that you know what you’re doing and somebody they respect will vouch for you, but after your first pro fight they start taking the matchmaking really seriously.
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Drop Database posted:"Give it time" Is there a certain intensity level below which you find yourself able to relax? If so, you need to spend more time there. How many different sparring partners do you have at your gym, and how has that makeup changed in the 2 years? How controlled are they and where are their skills compared to yours?
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kimbo305 posted:Is there a certain intensity level below which you find yourself able to relax? If so, you need to spend more time there. kimbo305 posted:How many different sparring partners do you have at your gym, and how has that makeup changed in the 2 years? How controlled are they and where are their skills compared to yours? Thank you, that was a really helpful reply Novum posted:If you're not trying to get a fight I'd say just keep chilling.
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Drop Database posted:This is something that never occurred to me; I will try to organise that more. When the speed/pace is lower, I can relax a lot more... These two positively reinforce each other. The more skilled someone is than you, the more they can exercise control and give you an educational sparring round. Like if you run in with your guard down, and I'm more skilled, I'll throw a soft counter and let you run into my glove with your head. I'm not hurt you, but I will make sure you see that you made an error. In all cases, I'll do the minimum force necessary to discourage bad tactics. That gives you more room to experiment and make mistakes without being so caught up in avoiding damage.
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02-6611-0142-1 posted:Wow, nobody gives a poo poo about their amateur record in Australia. Isn’t that the whole point? Y’all countries are weird. I know a guy that fights under a different name now to hide his amateur record.
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Can anyone recommend a Judo or grappling school somewhere in the Northern Virginia area? Preferably close to Herndon/Reston
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SHOAH NUFF posted:Can anyone recommend a Judo or grappling school somewhere in the Northern Virginia area? Preferably close to Herndon/Reston I'm like 99% sure Pedro Sauer's gym is in Herndon. So, yeah go there. Edit: Yeah it is http://www.virginiabjj.com
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