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Biomute posted:Nazis are gonna nazi. If you are insinuating that we should try to appease them you can gently caress right off. The left should focus on promoting an actual ideology and left wing policies, while fighting the right wing goons, in the streets if need be. If we don't all go out in nuclear hell fire, popular opinion should once again leave no room for far-right filth, and all yall can go back to your holes. I do not suggest we appease the loving nazis - I suggest that we work towards a centralized European system of admission based on quotas and a complementary economic program for the weaker member states to not own the costs associated with hosting migrants and integrating them. If you make doing the Right Thing more palatable for the masses, it might just be able to go on functioning. But I am sure you have a stellar alternative that will not at all lead to a dystopian collapse of some sort. 
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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if we all just took to the streets and punched the people with swastikas tattooed on their foreheads racism would be solved
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Probably not, but it'd be a good start.
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Cerebral Bore posted:Probably not, but it'd be a good start. Couldn't hurt anything important, at least.
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Maybe I'm just biased because we had a genuine Breivik-supporting nazi exhibit his "art" in the parliament building, organised and attended by the who's who of right-wing opinion making, but yeah. After getting punched in the face he kind of crawled back to just hanging out at nazi protests otherwise consisting of single-digit, curiously shorthaired fat guys who want to honour Danish collaborators and who're too insane even for DNSB.
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It's almost as if punching nazis is... good??
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SplitSoul posted:Maybe I'm just biased because we had a genuine Breivik-supporting nazi exhibit his "art" in the parliament building, organised and attended by the who's who of right-wing opinion making, but yeah. After getting punched in the face he kind of crawled back to just hanging out at nazi protests otherwise consisting of single-digit, curiously shorthaired fat guys who want to honour Danish collaborators and who're too insane even for DNSB. Really? Who are we talking about here? I wonder if the ultra lefties in this thread also call their friends, colleagues, family or just random people 'nazi', 'brown shirt', etc, if they espouse opinions different from their own. Somewhat doubt it.
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Rnr posted:I wonder if the ultra lefties in this thread also call their friends, colleagues, family or just random people 'nazi', 'brown shirt', etc, if they espouse opinions different from their own. Somewhat doubt it. No, we stick to just calling the actual nazis nazis.
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Let's fight fascism by acting like literal fascists!! I really don't think there is, or ever has been a more retarded form of political activism than antifa.
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pigdog posted:Let's fight fascism by acting like literal fascists!! this is a hot take
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MiddleOne posted:Citing pre-italians immigration, pre-finn immigration and pre-'having a generation of politicians not schooled in literal loving race-biology' S as some kind of this is how it has always been example does not really have any relevancy on this argument. At least Cardiac is citing actual political decisions that posters in this thread might have lived to see. Considering that most of this thread wasn’t born in 1989 or 1994 I kind doubt anyone had some real experience of it. But hey, I could have gone with Baltutlämningen  .People lack perspective with respect to politics. Like for example S classical position as the party in power. As example, in 1987 all LO members were automatically members of S, something unthinkable today. The last 20 years we have had 12 years of S rule and 8 years of Alliansen, which means that most 20-30 year olds have no idea what 40 years of uninterrupted rule means.
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Retarded Goatee posted:this is a hot take Hot as in pretty much agreed on, yeah. God drat are those weenie fascistas embarrassing.
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pigdog posted:Let's fight fascism by acting like literal fascists!! I too believe that wanting to round up minorities and put them in death camps is the same as trying to stop that from happening. This is a very normal and reasonable opinion.
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By that retardo logic it would be justified beating up and silencing all the lefties in this thread, since what they are saying, or what I'm saying they are saying, will inevitably lead to communist progroms and millions dead. Thus breaking our laws and constitution and imposing my rascally verdict on them is justified.
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Yeah, if objective reality and your delusions were the same that sounds pretty reasonable.
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only masked nerds throwing sucker punches and piss can prevent death camps 
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pigdog posted:only masked nerds throwing sucker punches and piss can prevent death camps No, sometimes you need a world war to do that. Reasonable people generally think that it's better to not let the fash get to the point where they start one, though.
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Rnr comes from Earth-714, clearly, where being a Nazi doesn't literally mean advocating violence and killing Jews and other life unworthy of life. Standing up in public and saying "I love Adolf Hitler"... yeah, you should be punched. My dad used to shoot Nazis, in fact. It's what you do to genocidal maniacs.
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Rnr posted:By that retardo logic it would be justified beating up and silencing all the lefties in this thread, since what they are saying, or what I'm saying they are saying, will inevitably lead to communist progroms and millions dead. Thus breaking our laws and constitution and imposing my rascally verdict on them is justified. "Stopping fascists is JUST AS BAD as being an actual fascist you guys, the truth is in the middle!" 
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Cardiac posted:Considering that most of this thread wasn’t born in 1989 or 1994 I kind doubt anyone had some real experience of it. But hey, I could have gone with Baltutlämningen Hey, I did stipulate 'might have'. Furhtermore, I have it on good authority that a good number of posters were at least age 10 back then.  Not me but details
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Rnr posted:By that retardo logic it would be justified beating up and silencing all the lefties in this thread, since what they are saying, or what I'm saying they are saying, will inevitably lead to communist progroms and millions dead. Thus breaking our laws and constitution and imposing my rascally verdict on them is justified. The boogeyman stalinist left is a bunch of larping chucklefucks. They present a threat to nobody except people who actually participate in far-right activities as it stands - and even then, they are not as brutal as the nazis. A small group of nazis can go from jacking off to Eva Braun to intimidation and/or beating up minorities in an afternoon. For the left to gulag anybody, they have to overcome the security apparatus of the state as well as firmly entrenched corporate interests influencing among else public opinion. Nazis are dangerous to ordinary people, the contemporary left is not.
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Rnr posted:Really? Who are we talking about here? This guy right here:          
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Also, if you are a nazi and you are afraid of being punched by antifa, feel free to stop being a nazi. You can do that. The would be victims of fascism cannot possibly satisfy the fascists as their slaughter is the inevitable demand. You would think the argument of self defence would resonate with the right, but antifa really frightens them.
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Biomute posted:Also, if you are a nazi and you are afraid of being punched by antifa, feel free to stop being a nazi. You can do that. The would be victims of fascism cannot possibly satisfy the fascists as their slaughter is the inevitable demand. [THIS IS WHAT ANTIFA ACTUALLY BELIEVE]
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pigdog posted:[THIS IS WHAT ANTIFA ACTUALLY BELIEVE] "Actually, we could settle for deportations, based on skull shape and amount of melanin present." 
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Rnr posted:By that retardo logic it would be justified beating up and silencing all the lefties in this thread, since what they are saying, or what I'm saying they are saying, will inevitably lead to communist progroms and millions dead. Thus breaking our laws and constitution and imposing my rascally verdict on them is justified. 1977: Oktober bokhandel sprengt i Tromsø. 1979: Bombe mot 1. mai-toget i Oslo. 1981: To drap, de såkalte Hadelandsdrapene. 1985: Bombe mot Nor-Moskeen i Oslo. 1989: Bombeangrep mot Blitz-huset. 1994: Bombeangrep mot Blitz-huset. Det ble i samme angrep avfyrt flere skudd. 1995: Bombeangrep mot Blitz-huset. 1998: En marokkansk mann blir knivstukket av nynazister i Oslo. 1998: En kvinne skutt av norsk nynazist. 2000: Antirasist oppsøkt hjemme og knivstukket av nazist. 2000: Bankran utført av en nynazist. 2001: Drapet på Benjamin Hermansen på Holmlia. 2003: Ran mot verditransport utført av to nynazister. 2008: Norsk-somalisk taxisjåfør skutt og drept i Trondheim. 2011: 22. juli-terroren med 77 døde. 2013: Aktivist fra Blitz knivstukket av høyreekstremister. 2014: Nazist fra Norge kriger i Ukraina. 2015: Asylmottak på Lindås brent ned. But by all means, feel free to list all the bombings, arson and murders that the extreme left is responsible for in Norway.
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Before Krudttønden, the last successful terrorist attack in Denmark was a letter bombing by a Swedish neo-nazi against International Socialists in Søllerødgade. The police literally blamed the dead victim for years despite sitting on evidence to the contrary.
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SplitSoul posted:This guy right here: Ok, I don't know who that is but he certainly seems like a legit racist fuckhead. Do you have a link to the art thing he did, which dk politicians attended? Re: antifa - the problem is not punching a legit fascist. It is masked ideologically possessed dumbos deciding who are legit fascists, that is the problem. If you can't see that, then I don't know man, you might be the problem? Judging from this thread, there does seem to be some problems with that arbitration...
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Rnr posted:Ok, I don't know who that is but he certainly seems like a legit racist fuckhead. Do you have a link to the art thing he did, which dk politicians attended? His name is Dan Park. It was arranged by the Danish People's Party and the Free Press Society when Kristian von Hornsleth cancelled. In attendance were naturally a lot of DPP people, as well as Lars Hedegaard, Karsten Lauritzen, Rasmus Jarlov, Merete Riisager, Suzanne Bjerrehuus and others. Perhaps you're familiar with those names? Two of them are Ministers in the current government.
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Thanks, I'm trying to grill spare ribs while poo poo posting, so sorry for being lazy. Yeah, his art is abhorrent and he is definitely a racist. Freedom of speech is a tricky thing, but personally I would rather err on the side of freedom than censorship. Wouldn't be caught dead visiting something as idiotic as that guys poo poo though.
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Rnr posted:Thanks, I'm trying to grill spare ribs while poo poo posting, so sorry for being lazy. Yeah, his art is abhorrent and he is definitely a racist. Freedom of speech is a tricky thing, but personally I would rather err on the side of freedom than censorship. Wouldn't be caught dead visiting something as idiotic as that guys poo poo though. Congratulations, you are now smarter than a sizable part of parliament. For obvious reasons I will not be commending you for being smarter than Bjerrehuus. His activities were well-known at the time, too. The whole thing came about because he was convicted of using several people in his "art" without their permission, such as the "escaped negro slave" whose workplace he vandalised with racist posters. Prior to that he put up a can of Zyklon-B near a synagogue. Really incisive art right there. It's funny that the entire country goes apeshit every time some small fringe group of Islamists invite an antisemitic speaker, so much so that the government instituted an official blacklist to prevent their entry, but politicians can freely attend an exhibit in parliament by a Holocaust denier and active neo-nazi without those facts ever even being mentioned in the coverage.
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Rnr posted:Re: antifa - the problem is not punching a legit fascist. It is masked ideologically possessed dumbos deciding who are legit fascists, that is the problem. Eh, most anti-fascist action I've observed in this country has been done without masks, but considering the history the police/state has of colluding with the fascists it's a legit tactic to wear one. Hell, if you're a minority that could possibly save your life. Lots of BLM guys are turning up dead in the US. Also, it's not like antifa people are going to show up on your door for posting pepe memes or trolling comment sections (yet!), so I'm pretty confident people who face antifa violence have it coming.
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Biomute posted:Also, it's not like antifa people are going to show up on your door for posting pepe memes or trolling comment sections (yet!) I verste fall er det en Natt&Dag journalist some dukker opp.
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Mercrom posted:you can simultaneously believe that antifa are a bunch of larping children who vastly overrate their importance and that all nazis deserve death hth
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Biomute posted:Eh, most anti-fascist action I've observed in this country has been done without masks, but considering the history the police/state has of colluding with the fascists it's a legit tactic to wear one. Hell, if you're a minority that could possibly save your life. Lots of BLM guys are turning up dead in the US. Also, it's not like antifa people are going to show up on your door for posting pepe memes or trolling comment sections (yet!), so I'm pretty confident people who face antifa violence have it coming. Well, one quick google search, and I have a legit true to life Berkeley professor in jail for hitting several peaceful Trump supporters, while being recorded on camera, in the head with a bicycle lock, while going as a masked 'antifa' protestor. So no, sorry, it still doesn't seem like a good idea that one particular group can randomly decide whom of the groups they oppose are worthy of being righteously violently assaulted, extra legally. That's just callous and ignorant. Now, I think the scando politics thread have been poo poo up enough today, by me at least, so I'll retreat in abject defeat to the wolfsschanze and return when we start discussing religious circumcision.
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Mercrom posted:you can simultaneously believe that antifa are a bunch of larping children who vastly overrate their importance and that all nazis deserve death hth True, but that would make one not very bright. They're the only reason you don't see more of these motherfuckers in the streets.
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yeah making immigrants feel safer is a good thing but its not more important politically than giving to charity unfortunately people like rnr are the ones who the left need to convince. people who genuinely believe the larpers are a threat to existing power structures and who would become bootlickers in the name of stability
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Rnr posted:Well, one quick google search, and I have a legit true to life Berkeley professor in jail for hitting several peaceful Trump supporters, while being recorded on camera, in the head with a bicycle lock, while going as a masked 'antifa' protestor. Can't say I know much about the dude you are referring to, but if you're talking about the "March 4 Trump" thing in Berkley the 4th of March, that was attended by a bunch of fascists groups, like the Proud Boys, at the behest of Rich Black, the organizer of said event. It would be a shame if someone organizing a neo-nazi rally was being insincere about their intentions, and some innocent moderate peace-loving Trump supporter got hurt, but the only hit I got for your exact narrative was from InfoWars so who's to say? 
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Biomute posted:Can't say I know much about the dude you are referring to, but if you're talking about the "March 4 Trump" thing in Berkley the 4th of March, that was attended by a bunch of fascists groups, like the Proud Boys, at the behest of the organizer of said event. It would be a shame if someone organizing a neo-nazi rally was being insincere about their intentions, and some innocent moderate peace-loving Trump supporter got hurt, but the only hit I got for your exact narrative was from InfoWars so who's to say? Also irrelevant for the situation in Scandinavia.
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