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Vladimir Putin posted:Why would NK be interested in nuking Japan? On the 1/1000000000 chance that would happen Japan is under then US umbrella. However, I don't think you're going to convince the US that it should just let NK develop nuclear weapons that can reach the US on the basis that NK wouldn't be crazy enough to actually use them. Given that, why is the line being able to nuke the mainland US specifically? If the US won't allow NK to develop the capability to nuke the US then how can you tell Japan that it doesn't matter if NK has the capability to nuke Japan? Plus, there's always the possibility that the US will decide to perform a military intervention in NK and NK will do as much damage as possible before it gets obliterated (whether this is currently realistic or not, it is very clear right now that US foreign policy can be extremely unstable between administrations or even from moment to moment). In this case, is Japan getting nuked acceptable collateral damage? Even if you are 100% sure the US will never try to take a military action against NK, how can you expect people in Japan to trust that right now? mystes fucked around with this message at 13:28 on May 22, 2018 |
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May 22, 2018 13:25
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mystes posted:how can you expect people in Japan to trust that right now? The whole world is learning now what happens when you outsource your foreign policy to America for half a century.
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May 22, 2018 13:34
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Both Koreas have a biiiig grudge against Japan for the whole brutal colonialism thing.
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May 22, 2018 14:00
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Both Koreas have a biiiig grudge against Japan for the whole brutal colonialism thing. You don’t nuke people for that kind of thing.
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May 22, 2018 14:14
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Vladimir Putin posted:You don’t nuke people for that kind of thing.
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May 22, 2018 14:19
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https://twitter.com/KingstonAReif/status/998731943297593345
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May 22, 2018 14:35
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KJU isn’t going to be afraid of an invasion. Because he has nukes.
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May 22, 2018 14:45
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Pence and the rest of the admin can always hang back and say that actually, the Libya model was just a country falling apart internally with the aid of sanctions rather than an invasion that caused regime change the way Saddam was booted from power.
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May 22, 2018 14:50
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Yeah, it is an empty threat, regime change simply isn't on the table in any realistic sense. It is a predictable message for the base though.
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May 22, 2018 14:51
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I want one. I want to send one back in time
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May 22, 2018 17:39
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Also, it's not about whether or not regime change is viable, it's about whether or not Trump thinks he can win in a firefight. It's completely terrifying.
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May 22, 2018 18:19
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Commemorative coins for peace talks feel like an artifact from a saner world than the one we live in.
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Telephones posted:Also, it's not about whether or not regime change is viable, it's about whether or not Trump thinks he can win in a firefight. It's completely terrifying. Regime change is always viable. Doing it without several years to decades of horrible times for everyone around it, that's the hard part.
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May 22, 2018 18:21
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Halloween Jack posted:Commemorative coins for peace talks feel like an artifact from a saner world than the one we live in. It's just the pre-fight promo.
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May 22, 2018 18:25
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Halloween Jack posted:Commemorative coins for peace talks feel like an artifact from a saner world than the one we live in. That coin's purpose is somewhat misunderstood. It's a WHCA challenge coin. The White House Communications Agency are a bunch of military techs (used to be a lot of Air Force dudes) who have the really huge task of supplying comms - phone, internet, SIPRNET, VTC, satellite, networking and wiring/routing all that to an HQ room and hotel rooms to the POTUS and his people. Figure the entourage is in the hundreds, including journos, who also get a specific suite of comms. It's a load of work, typically about 3 or 4 days of nearly 24 hours a day. It's a loving nightmare. WHCA has to depend on a lot of local people to help them. The coin is handed out as a commemorative reward for helping WHCA with all that work, especially if that help was really meaningful.
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May 22, 2018 19:26
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Vladimir Putin posted:KJU isn’t going to be afraid of an invasion. Because he has nukes. If we had a sane or intelligent administration I'd agree.
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Night10194 posted:If we had a sane or intelligent administration I'd agree. The American populace couldn’t even handle 4500 combat dead over 10 years in Iraq, but they’re going to support the Trump administration in a completely pointless war against a nuclear armed North Korea? Cmon
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mystes posted:Incidentally, people in Japan are pretty worried that Trump will agree to a minimal deal that just freezes development to ensure NK doesn't get missiles that can reach the US and ignore the fact that NK already has missiles that can reach Japan. If that actually happens it could strain US-Japan relations somewhat. The Hwasong-15 that NK successfully tested in november is already capable of reaching the entire US.
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OneEightHundred posted:It's always been lost, by that standard. He's totally uninterested in the details of what he's going in to. The best-case outcome at this point is NK agrees to a testing freeze and stops their ICBM development, but Trump apparently thinks anything short of them handing over their arsenal is worthless, so what's he going to do? Accept a poo poo-sandwich deal that he can get Trumpworld to say is better than anything Obama ever got and deserves a Nobel? Or start looking at military options? depends how the meeting go. trump is easily led on by authoritarian/tyrant types.(because he desperately wants to be one) i could totaly see him changing his mind once he meets kim and giving him everything he watnts as long as he gets his hotel in Pyongyang. that being said, i think bolton and trump/etc are trying the whole July Crisis ultimatum type deal. make a ton of insane demands and scream war if even one isnt followed.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:depends how the meeting go. trump is easily led on by authoritarian/tyrant types.(because he desperately wants to be one) i could totaly see him changing his mind once he meets kim and giving him everything he watnts as long as he gets his hotel in Pyongyang. that being said, i think bolton and trump/etc are trying the whole July Crisis ultimatum type deal. make a ton of insane demands and scream war if even one isnt followed. I wouldn’t open a hotel in Pyongyang you’d lose a ton of money
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Vladimir Putin posted:I wouldn’t open a hotel in Pyongyang you’d lose a ton of money he doesnt give a poo poo.
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Vladimir Putin posted:I wouldn’t open a hotel in Pyongyang you’d lose a ton of money a ton of other people's money
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This is one thing Trump actually knows how to do*. Building lovely hotels and having people connected to corrupt oligarchs pay huge amounts of cash for an apartment is how he rolls. If Kim offers him a guaranteed 50% of his hotel filled at all time, paid for with with untraceable cash, Trump will get down on his knees and lick his loving platform shoes. * I mean, not well, obviously. The investigation into him is proof of that.
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https://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/998918123049967616quote:Han was arrested after surrendering himself to police at Seoul’s Jogye Temple on Dec. 10, 2015, on charges of violation of the Assembly and Demonstration Act, obstruction of public duties, and obstruction of traffic for organizing 13 demonstrations, including a popular indignation rally that November. He was indicted the following January, and a three-year sentence was upheld by the Supreme Court in May 2017. https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/998733649674555393 https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/999007119700471808 https://twitter.com/TimothyS/status/998989323939860480 https://twitter.com/curaffairs/status/999073731610906624 https://twitter.com/yurikageyama/status/999131221912272896
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Gorilla Salad posted:This is one thing Trump actually knows how to do*. From purely an aesthetic view, not political or whatever, I'd like to see how that looks.
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I imagine the South won't be happy about this Also, lol at the tone of that letter
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Honestly trashing Pence was probably a bit over the top. It’s like they were trying to find out how far they could push it came out out as being a bit unreasonable even for them.
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Vladimir Putin posted:Honestly trashing Pence was probably a bit over the top. It’s like they were trying to find out how far they could push it came out out as being a bit unreasonable even for them. They weren't wrong. Pence threatening regime change ala the "Libya model" if NK didn't make a deal with them was dumb as gently caress.
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Chomskyan posted:I imagine the South won't be happy about this yea I don't think anyone is shocked it collapsed, but the tone of 'it actually means nothing what you do and that you called for this meeting and all, we have such a big tough nuke arsenal we don't need to make peace with you, when you're ready to submit and give up call me' is honestly some Bolton stuff that should be worrying
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Charliegrs posted:They weren't wrong. Pence threatening regime change ala the "Libya model" if NK didn't make a deal with them was dumb as gently caress. Yeah I mean if insulting Pence is over the top, threatening to murder Kim seems way worse. Even if most Americans forgot as soon as it happened, leaders we threaten with the Libya model are very aware of what happened to Qaddafi after his regime's collapse.
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This came out a few hours after the North Koreans announced the destruction of the test tunnels too.
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RandomPauI posted:This came out a few hours after the North Koreans announced the destruction of the test tunnels too.
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mystes posted:It's widely believed that the Punggye-ri facility had already become unusable so any dismantlement/destruction of it at this point is just for show. It's a narrative picked up by the western media that has little evidence supporting it https://twitter.com/BuckTurgidson79/status/991037121778651137
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Yeah, most nuclear experts think that site was big enough that it still had usable area even if there was a localized problem. Ending testing but retaining their demonstrated nuclear capability probably leaves North Korea pretty much where they want to be though, without providing a pretext for unilateral insane US intervention.
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oh weird trump managed to gently caress this up. all the korean folks i talked to last week in seoul were pretty optimistic about the talks, too 
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https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/999659174660263940 https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/999666085543657472 So it looks like this was news to South Korea as well lol
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/999659174660263940 They were trying to be a bridge to both sides so their position is very precarious. Had NK pulled out they would be scrambling too.
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Chomskyan posted:https://twitter.com/YonhapNews/status/999659174660263940 Trump's probably super pissed at Moon since he only agreed to the summit after Moon blew smoke up his rear end about the concessions the North Koreans were going to make in the first place. Trump's a spiteful dumbass, so he'll probably just keep driving the South closer to the North.
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