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Jel Shaker posted:You’d think demographics of the coming decrease in younger Chinese (negative baby boom?) would factor in all these universities if they’ve got 30+ year mortgages on these new buildings No, there's no decrease, China means infinite money next quarter!
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May 24, 2018 03:28
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Uh no that's pretty much the only totally true thing in there.
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May 24, 2018 03:32
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:English teachers, how many of your students have undiagnosed special needs? All of them. TsarZiedonis posted:On the flip side of that, I’ve met some incredibly smart and hardworking Chinese students who’ve spent the better part of a decade in the US doing undergrad+grad, and they almost always end up going home feeling dejected because work visas are so hard to get and a lot of companies assume they didn’t really earn their degrees. That's too bad for that one guy, but if they want to be taken seriously, then there needs to be a change in culture of paying for degrees.
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May 24, 2018 04:11
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:English teachers, how many of your students have undiagnosed special needs? I teach kindergarten (age 3-6) and we monitor the kids for the 1st year, then demand an official letter of diagnosis for year 2-3 because we need a letter to get funding for one-on-one assistant teachers. We also have the power to call in specialists to evaluate students during class hours without parent consent. It's then up to the parents to cooperate with the child development support office. The parents are usually relieved to get support but we have had at least one student "quit" after 1 year because her parents refused to get a diagnosis. As long as they have a real diagnosis, we accept kids with autism, developmental delays, seizures and severe allergies who have been turned down by other schools. This is a private non-profit kindergarten in rural Japan, though. My bosses aren't evil. There are definitely kids of all ages at other schools who don't get the support they need due to idiot parents. 
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May 24, 2018 05:11
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Found you a woman Haier My new favorite poem
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May 24, 2018 05:12
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Found you a woman Haier So, has no one told her babies have blue eyes?
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May 24, 2018 07:05
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Atlas Hugged posted:Seems the obvious solution to the degree problem is to treat domestic degrees as is and to slap "International" on the pay-to-pass degrees. Should clue in potential employers immediately. 
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May 24, 2018 07:16
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Mr. Apollo posted:I’ve been told that schools don’t view it as a big deal because almost all of the international students (Chinese) go back home after getting their degree so now it’s not the school’s problem if an employer gets mad at a graduate’s lack of education. this is exactly true, and it's not restricted to chinese students. i got my degree from a major state college with an enrollment of 20,000 students, and the computer labs were always packed to the gills with chinese and indian students with the occasional mongolian one thrown in for flavor. they never actually did any work as far as i could tell, just alternated between impotently staring at developer tools and surfing the web. they were like 80/20 on master's degree paths vs undergrad and every last one of them, to a man and woman, were entirely worthless at their work. my technical cores were chock full of these international students in remedial undergrad courses because they showed up for a graduate degree barely knowing poo poo from shiloh. their graduation rate was absolutely appalling in degrees that wouldn't bend over backward for them and suspiciously perfect in degrees that would. school did not give even the slightest poo poo. international students' success has no bearing on their accreditation, paid way more than anyone else, and nobody ever came back to complain. the only tradeoff they had was that the students going there to actually learn anything hated them and they made every loving computer lab in the engineering building unusable because of the nearly visible cloud of foot funk and BO. boo hoo - attitude was that local engineering students all had laptops, so gently caress them they can go work in the union.
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May 24, 2018 07:55
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:English teachers, how many of your students have undiagnosed special needs? How many of the teachers?
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May 24, 2018 07:59
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Jeoh posted:How many of the teachers? All of them.
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May 24, 2018 08:06
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bamhand posted:Are all schools like that or just ones hard up for money? My undergrad had a strict honor code where any lying or cheating was met with automatic expulsion if you're found guilty. I'm wondering if a school like that didn't put up with cheating for Chinese students or swept it under the rug. The expulsion thing definitely wasn't just a threat, there was an entire class of students that got expelled when a professor caught most of them cheating off the homework of one guy who turned it in into the mailbox early. Universities that do come down hard on cheaters have to be careful, because they could get blacklisted by the Chinese government and end up losing a significant percentage of their foreign students. A professor got his university in hot water with China when he posted the plagiarism warning in English and Chinese characters. The Chinese netizens took it as a personal slight, and I think the uni was actually blacklisted by the CCP for a short period of time. Universities are businesses, and just like clothing companies, hotels, and airlines, they will do anything to keep that sweet China cash rolling in.
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May 24, 2018 08:29
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Blistex posted:Universities that do come down hard on cheaters have to be careful, because they could get blacklisted by the Chinese government and end up losing a significant percentage of their foreign students. A professor got his university in hot water with China when he posted the plagiarism warning in English and Chinese characters. The Chinese netizens took it as a personal slight, and I think the uni was actually blacklisted by the CCP for a short period of time. This makes me visibly angry. I would blow Dane Cook posted:All of them. Also true.
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May 24, 2018 12:09
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I had a student plagiarise an essay from the year before ...which I had flagged back then for being plagiarised almost in its entirety from Wikipedia and the Daily Mail* I brought this up at the examiners' meeting (we had to defend any F we gave, in person, to the board) and the response was heavily pressuring me into giving the student a chance to repeat the course. I wanted academic disciplinary action. They kept saying "it's up to you," (technically it was) "but we usually let them repeat." That's when I got the gently caress out of higher education as a profession *there was a required reading list and recommended reading list that I kept updated throughout the term as new articles came out. I handed out other sources in class. I had some flagged as "just as an FYI/easy topic intro, but if you want to write for credit on this subject hit the library" And still I'd say 70% of students didn't bother with any real research. Some even used my crappy lecture slides as sources (lol) even though I told them that was forbidden. Of course Wikipedia was popular, but the thing that really surprised me was how popular the Daily Heil was as a source. Like I even said "no newspapers" but it wasn't just any newspaper, it was overwhelmingly Rupert's rag. Very strange. And yes most were international students. Having said that I had some wonderful-not-woeful international and domestic students too, but gently caress man, they were very much the exception
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May 24, 2018 12:31
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Ccs posted:The guy was really passionate but insane and would go on "missions" to walk certain extreme distances at odd times because he felt it was commanded. woah woah, be nice to Haier man
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May 24, 2018 12:42
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Blistex posted:Universities that do come down hard on cheaters have to be careful, because they could get blacklisted by the Chinese government. This is what I don't understand from a government perspective. Wouldn't you want to have your population actually learn something valuable, skills, or whatever to bring back home? Of course the students and their families are all about the face, but to actually be blacklisted by the government? Even for China, I just can't comprehend this.
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May 24, 2018 12:50
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fish and chips and dip posted:This is what I don't understand from a government perspective. Wouldn't you want to have your population actually learn something valuable, skills, or whatever to bring back home? Of course the students and their families are all about the face, but to actually be blacklisted by the government? Even for China, I just can't comprehend this. If they learn actual, valuable skills, they usually want to stay in the new country because it pays more.
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May 24, 2018 13:38
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Imperialist Dog posted:If they learn actual, valuable skills, they usually want to stay in the new country because it pays more. That's just means more spies for the international spy network.
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May 24, 2018 13:46
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For important things, at some point somebody does have to do good work. They probably often don’t get recognized or properly rewarded for it. The nuclear program or the space program aren’t kept running by the people who are useless morons 100% of the time.
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May 24, 2018 14:02
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This convo is not making me feel like I was smart enough to finish uni guys.
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May 24, 2018 15:02
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Ibblebibble posted:This convo is not making me feel like I was smart enough to finish uni guys. You're an impostor. Nothing you do is good enough, and everyone knows it but you.
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May 24, 2018 15:03
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I wouldn't worry about being an impostor because 90% of people are just coasting off the minimum, and the 10% that do the effort are gonna die same as the rest of us.
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May 24, 2018 15:04
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simplefish posted:Of course Wikipedia was popular, but the thing that really surprised me was how popular the Daily Heil was as a source. Like I even said "no newspapers" but it wasn't just any newspaper, it was overwhelmingly Rupert's rag. Very strange. Surprisingly, Daily Mail is one of the world's most popular news sites - they're really good at SEO and most people just click on whatever, they don't care about the source. Plus their articles are written as simply as possible, they even highlight the IMPORTANT words for you in CAPITALS. And lots of pictures!
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May 24, 2018 15:28
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:English teachers, how many of your students have undiagnosed special needs? A couple of very obvious autistic spectrum folks, including one who is utterly uncontrollable. But special needs is a western invention not powerful chinese minds drink more warm water ok
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May 24, 2018 17:24
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Does anyone know if they've found a foreign sucker willing to teach the Chinese how to use the world's largest satellite dish or whatever?
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May 24, 2018 22:13
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nickmeister posted:Does anyone know if they've found a foreign sucker willing to teach the Chinese how to use the world's largest satellite dish or whatever? Looks like they still haven't, but I found something interesting about the story. Almost immediately after the SCMP wrote the article, the Chinese Academy of Sciences put out a statement to refute it. quote:Recent news about China "spending millions hiring foreign scientists to run the telescope" has created quite a stir online. After investigation, the news is proven false. Head scientist has been appointed since the very beginning, the Chinese Academy of Science will continue to support the telescope and promote international collaboration https://www.reddit.com/r/space/comments/6s5n42/china_built_the_worlds_largest_telescope_but_has/dladroy/ The chief scientist of the telescope was Nan Rendong. I say "was" because he died of lung cancer one month after these articles came out. So the CAS's denial was just another face-saving maneuver to not have to admit that they were looking for foreign help, which is most shameful in today's China.
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May 24, 2018 22:43
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fish and chips and dip posted:This is what I don't understand from a government perspective. Wouldn't you want to have your population actually learn something valuable, skills, or whatever to bring back home? Of course the students and their families are all about the face, but to actually be blacklisted by the government? Even for China, I just can't comprehend this. Between saving face and chabuduo it sometimes seems surprising anything gets done at all.
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May 25, 2018 02:32
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Pirate Radar posted:For important things, at some point somebody does have to do good work. They probably often don’t get recognized or properly rewarded for it. The nuclear program or the space program aren’t kept running by the people who are useless morons 100% of the time. China does have a lot of smart, talented people working for them, but a lot of their scientific milestones are piggybacking on/reverse engineering of proven designs (Russian rocket tech), are misleading (supercomputers), or outright stolen via espionage (aviation tech). Still, even if you are stealing/copying/putting together a fraudulent piece of tech, you still need the people who re-design and construct it, which does take a significant amount of knowledge and ability.
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May 25, 2018 03:34
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The nuclear and space stuff that China does are based on things literally from the 50's and aren't all that much progressed from that point. We're at the point where having nukes and being able to put things into orbit just isn't all that impressive anymore, in terms of how "advanced" a country's scientific base is concerned. It's more a measure of money and government priorities at this point. They're just visible and prestigious. Just like how everyone now has to get used to the fact that literally any government can get nukes if they really want to, literally any government can have a functional space program if they want to.
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May 25, 2018 04:09
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fish and chips and dip posted:This is what I don't understand from a government perspective. Wouldn't you want to have your population actually learn something valuable, skills, or whatever to bring back home? Of course the students and their families are all about the face, but to actually be blacklisted by the government? Even for China, I just can't comprehend this. The thing to remember is that students are having trouble abroad because they are products of the Chinese education system. Even if foreign universities were willing to fail and expel students for bad grades or cheating, the government would do everything they could to prevent that because it would be a reflection of the quality of students China sends abroad and the system they are a result of. Thankfully for the CCP, as others have mentioned, universities love that sweet international student tuition and are loath to endanger it. Fundamentally however there would need to a change in the way students are educated here to make them better prepared for studying abroad, something the government neither wishes to acknowledge or attempt, given the herculean task that would be.
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May 25, 2018 04:23
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Blistex posted:China does have a lot of smart, talented people working for them, but a lot of their scientific milestones are piggybacking on/reverse engineering of proven designs (Russian rocket tech), are misleading (supercomputers), or outright stolen via espionage (aviation tech). Still, even if you are stealing/copying/putting together a fraudulent piece of tech, you still need the people who re-design and construct it, which does take a significant amount of knowledge and ability. Another thing is quality control, which requires things you can't steal or copy like a legal system or a cultural attitude. You can have an amazing team of scientists and engineers, but if you don't have a manufacturer or parts supplier that be held accountable to maintain a certain level of quality, you get situations where reliable parts have to be handmade or a manufacturing process has a 50% rejection rate. Western aerospace companies aren't just impressive for making high-tech parts but also for making those parts on an industrial scale. Edit: And at a profit and without the government breathing down their necks, like in the case of Chinese ballpoint pens. I've been reading a little about the industrial history of Japan and Korea, and they both had teething problems when it came to quality control. Essentially, they were just like China in the 60s and 70s in that they were really good at copying and reverse engineering stuff but not maintaining quality. They both had to develop on their own an internal culture and processes for quality assurance. Caberham has posted about the increasing quality in Chinese appliance manufacturers, so maybe we'll start seeing that expertise spread. But I've also read how it's been hard to teach QA to smaller manufacturers or factories because the prevailing attitude is get rich quick in order to invest profits in real estate or some other investment, so there's no incentive for long-term profitability. CIGNX fucked around with this message at 05:07 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 04:44
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I was watching an interview with the Chinese Minster of Industry or something like that and he said that he was very proud that Chinese companies are no longer just copying western designs.
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May 25, 2018 05:01
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heh someone just asked about getting an examplar report because they couldnt figure out what they were doing with it and publicly bitched it was unfair because other courses give them out. the report is literally just screenshots of the gui he designed because you can't make automated tests for appearance. it literally says "hit alt printscreen and paste it into a word document". guess his nationality underage at the vape shop fucked around with this message at 05:20 on May 25, 2018 |
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May 25, 2018 05:18
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CIGNX posted:The chief scientist of the telescope was Nan Rendong. I say "was" because he died of lung cancer one month after these articles came out. So the CAS's denial was just another face-saving maneuver to not have to admit that they were looking for foreign help, which is most shameful in today's China. Air pollution isn't that bad. Where's my CCP money.
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Saw a dude doing the shirt pull up thing at Whole Foods in Denver today. Walking around he had one hand under it pushing it out from his body. Later on I passed him at a table and he had pulled it up rocking the half shirt full belly out move. Had to explain to my wife what was going on. Thanks thread I guess.
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May 25, 2018 05:36
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CIGNX posted:
Can you recommend any books or papers on that?
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https://www.theepochtimes.com/200-million-year-old-stone-bears-words-chinese-communist-party-collapses_1416662.htmlquote:In June 2002, a 270 million-year-old “hidden words stone” was discovered in Guizhou, China. A crack that formed 500 years ago in a large stone revealed six clearly discernible Chinese characters; the characters clearly spell “The Chinese Communist Party perishes [Zhōngguó gòngchǎndǎng wáng 中國共產党亡].” The character “perish” [wáng 亡] is especially large. I would blow Dane Cook posted:Found you a woman Haier P.S. Do you notice she has a tattoo? She is dangerous to society!
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May 25, 2018 06:02
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Grandma Panic! posted:Can you recommend any books or papers on that? Unfortunately, no. I pick up random tidbits here and there while reading about other stuff, but I haven't read a paper or book that lays it out clearly. There probably is something, it's just that I haven't purposefully gone looking for them. If I had to start, I'd probably go looking for stuff about W. Edwards Deming's work in Japan, and then see if there is a connection to Korea. But that's just a guess.
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Bajaj posted:https://www.theepochtimes.com/200-million-year-old-stone-bears-words-chinese-communist-party-collapses_1416662.html the epoch times is a falun gong show
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CIGNX posted:Another thing is quality control, which requires things you can't steal or copy like a legal system or a cultural attitude. You can have an amazing team of scientists and engineers, but if you don't have a manufacturer or parts supplier that be held accountable to maintain a certain level of quality, you get situations where reliable parts have to be handmade or a manufacturing process has a 50% rejection rate. Western aerospace companies aren't just impressive for making high-tech parts but also for making those parts on an industrial scale. Edit: And at a profit and without the government breathing down their necks, like in the case of Chinese ballpoint pens. I still remember Korean cars getting a bad rep in the 90's but a goon worked for KIA and was posting stories about his work experience and increasing quality. China -  I have a few horror stories dealing with Chinese rolled steel and even when I'm trying to dabble in to 3D metal manufacturing with Chinese/international printers - everyone refuses to use Chinese metal powders.quote:I've been reading a little about the industrial history of Japan and Korea, and they both had teething problems when it came to quality control. Essentially, they were just like China in the 60s and 70s in that they were really good at copying and reverse engineering stuff but not maintaining quality. They both had to develop on their own an internal culture and processes for quality assurance. Caberham has posted about the increasing quality in Chinese appliance manufacturers, so maybe we'll start seeing that expertise spread. But I've also read how it's been hard to teach QA to smaller manufacturers or factories because the prevailing attitude is get rich quick in order to invest profits in real estate or some other investment, so there's no incentive for long-term profitability. Rejection in manufacturing is a giant monster to deal with. Some rejects like a scratch might be salvageable, whereas like a giant deform in the shape or electrical component failure requires disassembly or even outright throwing the product into the waste bin. Rejection rate is mostly related to the size of your order. TCL makes television sets and their failure rate is within 0.5% because they produce millions of units in a month and the chances of picking up a total failure. I probably will write a more coherrent post in next week
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