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This debate is so stupid. Nazis, at least in Sweden, are completely irrelevant from a political view since they are incapable of anything but infighting. At best they serve as some kind of boogeyman for the antifa to justify their existence. I mean, if you go around in Sweden being afraid of nazis or antifa, I would recommend seeking help from a psychiatrist.
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Cardiac posted:This debate is so stupid. Nazis, at least in Sweden, are completely irrelevant from a political view since they are incapable of anything but infighting. At best they serve as some kind of boogeyman for the antifa to justify their existence. gently caress off
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May 25, 2018 06:21
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Cardiac posted:This debate is so stupid. Nazis, at least in Sweden, are completely irrelevant from a political view since they are incapable of anything but infighting. At best they serve as some kind of boogeyman for the antifa to justify their existence. https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6900034 https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/7rx2w/nazister-doms-till-fangelse-for-bombdaden-i-goteborg https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/3r55P/sapo-nazisterna-som-hotar-sveriges-sakerhet-okar Sure, nazis might not be a threat to the political order as it stands, but if you think they do not terrorize lefties / migrants then uhhh
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May 25, 2018 06:26
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so that means I can be a cheapskate and post about posting instead of having some wit or spending any more on comedy avs for people. Which I'm also incapable of. Comedy.
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Retarded Goatee posted:https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6900034 I never said that, they are nazis and stupid. That said, lefties and nazis terrorize each other in the same way as hooligans from different teams do. And we have like 500 badly organized nazis in a country of 10 millions. Surely something for the common man to be afraid of, when it clearly is a police issue. Speaking of police, apparently shootings have gone down since the new law that made criminals carrying a gun go automatically to detention instead of getting released pending trial. Turns out better laws and implementing them to take criminals of the streets actually works. Who could have known.
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May 25, 2018 07:09
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Cardiac posted:That said, lefties and nazis terrorize each other in the same way as hooligans from different teams do. Hahahaha no. Nazis/right wing extremists literally murder people, and specifically target innocent people for beatings. Lefties beat up Nazis and right wing extremists There is a big loving difference there.
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May 25, 2018 07:14
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Retarded Goatee posted:https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=83&artikel=6900034 it's almost as if throwing punches and (literal) poo poo at peaceful protests hasn't been very effective
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May 25, 2018 07:29
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pigdog posted:it's almost as if throwing punches and (literal) poo poo at peaceful protests hasn't been very effective Are you going to make the claim that the nazis would not bomb refugee homes if people had allowed them to march in public, or what it is that you are implying here?
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May 25, 2018 07:31
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Please tell me more about how nazis attacking gay people walking the pride parade is intra-extremist hooligan brawling
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May 25, 2018 07:32
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Retarded Goatee posted:Are you going to make the claim that the nazis would not bomb refugee homes if people had allowed them to march in public, or what it is that you are implying here? idk I think it totally works guys Alhazred posted:Vi har registrert at de som diskuterer integreringsproblemer og utenforskap stigmatiseres i den svenske debatten. Det kan bidra til at innvandringsmotstanden radikaliseres, sier Ravndal til det svenske nyhetsbyrået TT.
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May 25, 2018 07:33
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pigdog posted:idk I think it totally works guys Do you believe that nazis would be emboldened, or less inclined to use deadly force if people stopped beating them up for declaring genocidal views and/or attacking people?
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May 25, 2018 07:37
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Retarded Goatee posted:Do you believe that nazis would be emboldened, or less inclined to use deadly force if people stopped beating them up for declaring genocidal views and/or attacking people? hmmm might depend on whether the antifa was only attacking those who declare genocidal views and/or attack people
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May 25, 2018 07:42
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pigdog posted:hmmm might depend on whether the antifa was only attacking those who declare genocidal views and/or attack people Please tell me more about the antifa terror bombings
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May 25, 2018 07:47
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would islamic terror bombings do the trick?
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May 25, 2018 07:50
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pigdog posted:would islamic terror bombings do the trick? Are islamists the same as antifa? No? Then gently caress off with your bullshit.
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May 25, 2018 07:59
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pigdog posted:would islamic terror bombings do the trick? No friend, religious fundamentalism is a hard-right thing.
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May 25, 2018 08:01
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Retarded Goatee posted:No friend, religious fundamentalism is a hard-right thing. sounds like something antifa ought to protest
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May 25, 2018 08:02
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Cardiac posted:This debate is so stupid. Nazis, at least in Sweden, are completely irrelevant from a political view since they are incapable of anything but infighting. At best they serve as some kind of boogeyman for the antifa to justify their existence. I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you are a white CIS male not publicly opposing nazis. If I am not wrong, you are looking at this from a very privileged position and applying your personal comfortable position onto those that are harrassed and targeted by these assholes. I can't understand how NMR aren't labeld as terrorists by the state. Apart from the annoying detail that they are not-brown and therefore can not be terrorists for reasons.
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May 25, 2018 08:03
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pigdog posted:sounds like something antifa ought to protest There is no foundation upon which a popular islamic movement could stand on in Sweden. On top of civil society, they would have to contend with other non-muslim expats with a very good memory of homeland oppression as well as the state security apparatus. While you will of course find a diverse group of shitheads who believe that Rashid Musa or whoever is a Cool Guy (he's not), I suggest you study what principled antifascists around the world has done to religious institutions seeking to wield power. (hint: it's either distancing themselves from them or oppressing them) Also as of late, it turns out SÄPO is better at busting islamic bombers than nazi ones, so you are in luck!
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May 25, 2018 08:10
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in any case, throwing punches and ... bacon at muslim rallies is the correct way to prevent terrorism yea? clearly the reason for all the islamic terror attacks in europe is that antifa has been lazy about this sort of thing
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May 25, 2018 08:13
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pigdog posted:in any case, throwing punches and ... bacon at muslim rallies is the correct way to prevent terrorism yea? No, but maybe incorporating religious institutions into the state, nationalizing the schools, enforcing a humanist egalitarian curriculum and providing active policies towards integration into civil society will prevent radicalization?
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May 25, 2018 08:17
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wha... are you saying antifa has no role in preventing radicalisation
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May 25, 2018 08:18
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pigdog posted:wha... are you saying antifa has no role in preventing radicalisation You're dumb. Stop posting.
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May 25, 2018 08:19
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pigdog posted:wha... are you saying antifa has no role in preventing radicalisation Maybe afa is wailing away at the already radicalized? 
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May 25, 2018 08:20
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Retarded Goatee posted:Maybe afa is wailing away at the already radicalized? Retarded Goatee posted:Do you believe that wailing is a p. good verb btw
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May 25, 2018 08:30
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Muslim =/= islamic terrorist you loving dunce. I'd have 0 problems with anybody going on to beat the poo poo out of "Svenska al-Qaeda vänner" or anybody who claims that adulterers should be stoned or whatever. Being a Swedish muslim on its own make you neither of those hth.
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May 25, 2018 08:34
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but throwing punches and poo poo at muslim rallies where you can detect any islamic terrorists (with e.g. isis flags) or their sympathisers would help deter terrorism, innit? https://www.thelocal.dk/20160229/denmark-mosque-teaches-stoning-and-whipping
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May 25, 2018 08:40
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What muslim rallies in Scandinavia has hoisted the flag of the islamic state? A hizb-ut tahrir rally? Feel free to throw poo poo at those guys all you want. As for the danish mosque being headed by a fascistoid shithead - this would be solved by having the religious institution incorporated into the state and having the head vetted and appointed. Incidentally, this would probably also go a long way to make sure that state finances are not actively being used to invite hardliners for seminars or whatever the gently caress has been going on in the last few years. Nobody here is claiming that islamists are good, you are the one who equated muslims to nazis.
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May 25, 2018 08:45
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Retarded Goatee posted:No friend, religious fundamentalism is a hard-right thing. idk if there have been rallies under isis flag in scandinavia, but hypothetically if that were the case, would you reckon throwing punches, bacon and piss at anyone present be a good way to prevent terrorism?
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May 25, 2018 08:50
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pigdog posted:idk if there have been rallies under isis flag in scandinavia, but hypothetically if that were the case, would you reckon throwing punches, bacon and piss at anyone present be a good way to prevent terrorism? Why don't you hypothetically go gently caress yourself with your made-up wank fantasies?
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May 25, 2018 08:52
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why are you getting owned by the guy who doesnt know the difference between islam and islamism
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May 25, 2018 08:55
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I believe that the appeal in joining a systematically oppressive organization would be lessened if openly declaring your allegiance carried with it the very real risk of getting punched in the face. As with the nazis, it's not so much about stopping every individual attack (it's impossible) it's about preventing social acceptance and making membership a risk at the individual level. I am very okay with Hitler and al-Baghdadi being punched.
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May 25, 2018 08:58
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Retarded Goatee posted:I believe that the appeal in joining a systematically oppressive organization would be lessened if openly declaring your allegiance carried with it the very real risk of getting punched in the face. As with the nazis, it's not so much about stopping every individual attack (it's impossible) it's about preventing social acceptance and making membership a risk at the individual level. tbh an organisation that promotes assaulting people for their views is oppressive and rather systematically so.
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May 25, 2018 09:06
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pigdog posted:tbh an organisation that promotes assaulting people for their views is oppressive and rather systematically so. gently caress off, you are defending people agitating for genocide. Never mind the actual bombings and poo poo, that's enough political violence to warrant a response. Also, antifa is not an organization.
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May 25, 2018 09:12
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Biomute posted:gently caress off, you are defending people agitating for genocide. Never mind the actual bombings and poo poo, that's enough political violence to warrant a response. thank you for saving the world from nazism and death camps one soiled diaper at a time 
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May 25, 2018 09:17
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Better to throw than sit in one all day.
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May 25, 2018 09:23
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pigdog posted:thank you for saving the world from nazism and death camps one soiled diaper at a time No, thank you, it's actually whataboutism on the internet regarding evil muslims that prevents extremists organizing 
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May 25, 2018 09:24
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come to think of it do you have examples of people in scandinavia agitating for genocide who aren't muslims i mean
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May 25, 2018 09:25
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I loathe some parts of the autonomous left, but trying to equate them with nazis is incredibly stupid. But then again it's an easy equivalence to make as long as you're white and straight enough to never have to worry about nazis jumping you in the street.
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May 25, 2018 09:28
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pigdog posted:come to think of it do you have examples of people in scandinavia agitating for genocide  I hope this helps.
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Actually he's just advertising his organic rope business nothing to see here.
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