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Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine

CapnAndy posted:

Dude that's not really a sustainable bar for "not a monster" when applied to wealthy politicians of the eighteenth century. At least Jefferson was also a raping hypocritical fuckstick who invented the smear campaign and died broke because he thought actually paying for poo poo was something that happened to the common folk and not a gentleman like himself.

Alexander Hamilton’s response to revolution veterans asking to be represented in the creation of taxes, ie what Hamilton said the war was about in the first place, was to convince Washington to get the current army to shoot at them until they shut up or died. Hamilton is a monster outside his possible ownership and definite dealership of other human beings.

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Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine
We’re talking about a dude who is literally on record as saying democracy is a travesty and the people as a whole an untenable great beast that must be restricted by the elite.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Critics are full of poo poo, that's why Holy Terror (widely panned by critics) was a better comic than Ms. Marvel (beloved by critics)

This is a very productive hot take, like how Trump (low approval rating) is better than Get Out (high Rotten Tomato score)



Source: a comic book that is literally worse than cancer, based on what The Critics say

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

site posted:

paine wasnt involved in writing the declaration of independence nor was he a delegate in the continental congress

Yes but I could choose him as a Founding Father in Sid Meier's Colonization.

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
People who use critical acclaim to judge stuff are dumb.

Form your own opinion jeez.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

CharlestheHammer posted:

People who use critical acclaim to judge stuff are dumb.

Form your own opinion jeez.

But...if I take your advice, then I'm letting you decide my opinion. And then...and then...But then...because even if I did form my own opinion, it'd be based on all the lessons and opinions and experiences of my entire life time...do I even have an opinion or am I just am amalgam of my experiences...I-I don't think I can have an opinion that isn't informed by something else...

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!

Covok posted:

But...if I take your advice, then I'm letting you decide my opinion. And then...and then...But then...because even if I did form my own opinion, it'd be based on all the lessons and opinions and experiences of my entire life time...do I even have an opinion or am I just am amalgam of my experiences...I-I don't think I can have an opinion that isn't informed by something else...

Fine then you don’t like the leftovers or whatever happy now

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
The only good founding father is Benjamin Franklin, The First Horny Boy.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

CharlestheHammer posted:

People who use critical acclaim to judge stuff are dumb.

Form your own opinion jeez.
Posters rarely have discussions beyond

"This thing is good."
"Wrong, it's bad."
"Look at you being a stupid piece of poo poo, it's GOOD."
"Uhhh hold up there hoss you are wrong as gently caress it is BAD."
"Au contraire mon loving moron it is GOOD now kindly kill your self."

In a void where no one (other than to his credit, CapnAndy I guess?) has articulated an opinion on Lost or the Leftovers there's an element of "well a lot of people seem to like it" which lends more credence to an argument than I Haven't Seen Vanderpump Rules And Don't Know What It's About But It Must loving Rule Right Guys

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005



I'm stealing "au contraire mon loving moron" btdubs.

Air Skwirl
May 13, 2007

Neither snow nor rain nor heat nor gloom of night stays these couriers from the swift completion of their appointed shitposting.
https://twitter.com/jxss_ss/status/998790122496655362

site
Apr 6, 2007

Trans pride, Worldwide
Bitch
peggy aint takin any poo poo

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
Do you think there's anyone out there whose first exposure to the Ramones wasn't hearing Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial for a waterpark?

El Gallinero Gros
Mar 17, 2010

Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you think there's anyone out there whose first exposure to the Ramones wasn't hearing Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial for a waterpark?

Mine was a skateboard video

Senior Woodchuck
Aug 29, 2006

When you're lost out there and you're all alone, a light is waiting to carry you home
Broadway is inside the loving beltway now?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

El Gallinero Gros posted:

Mine was a skateboard video

For me it was definitely something skating related as well.

Alaois
Feb 7, 2012

Senior Woodchuck posted:

Broadway is inside the loving beltway now?

You're right, Broadway definitely isn't its own weird insular community of well-off people :v:

Mr. Maltose
Feb 16, 2011

The Guffless Girlverine

Senior Woodchuck posted:

Broadway is inside the loving beltway now?

No, Hamilton is unique in how every beltway pundit apparently saw it and declared it the greatest masterpiece in theater history.

This is because they’ve consumed very little theater.

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



As a Beltway Insider, I

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005



Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you think there's anyone out there whose first exposure to the Ramones wasn't hearing Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial for a waterpark?

Mine was seeing people with the tshirts on the street.

Madkal
Feb 11, 2008

Fallen Rib

Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you think there's anyone out there whose first exposure to the Ramones wasn't hearing Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial for a waterpark?

Most likely a sporting event.

Vulpes Vulpes
Apr 28, 2013

"...for you, it is all over...!"

Guy Goodbody posted:

Do you think there's anyone out there whose first exposure to the Ramones wasn't hearing Blitzkrieg Bop in a commercial for a waterpark?

Mine was my dad playing them all the time. Then I got the last show album/VHS combo for Christmas and they were my favourite band.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


I think my first exposure was seeing their Spider-man music video on an X-treme 90s comic book show.

A Strange Aeon
Mar 26, 2010

You are now a slimy little toad
The Great Twist
Mine might have been their Simpsons appearance where they sing for Mr. Burns's birthday. But I suspect I heard I Wanna Be Sedated on alternative radio (between Creed and other horrendous alternative bands) before that.

Vincent
Nov 25, 2005



Reminder to drink water and unclench your jaw.

Random Stranger
Nov 27, 2009



Mr. Maltose posted:

No, Hamilton is unique in how every beltway pundit apparently saw it and declared it the greatest masterpiece in theater history.

This is because they’ve consumed very little theater.

There was nothing I liked better than NPR's daily segment on how great Hamilton was.

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY
Liberals love Hamilton because it was the Obama Presidency in musical form.

Dr Kool-AIDS
Mar 26, 2004

Here in the comic book forum we know what really has cultural value, and those absolute imbeciles who like Hamilton need to get a clue.

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Sinteres posted:

Here in the comic book forum we know what really has cultural value, and those absolute imbeciles who like Hamilton need to get a clue.

Everyone knows the greatest and most influential works of art of the 21st century was Ultimate Spider-Man Issues 1-134!

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
Maybe I missed the wrong thinkpieces but I feel like most of the people going nuts for Hamilton are doing so because they think Lin-Manuel Miranda (and Leslie Odom and Daveed Diggs and Phillipa Soo and etc.) are talented and entertaining and not because they believe that Alexander Hamilton is a living saint. I haven't seen it or that many Broadway shows in general, but was there a revulsive "LOOK AT THESE FUCKIN' CENTRIST CUCKS CREAMING THEIR JEANS OVER [Eva Peron/Lyndon Johnson/John Wilkes Booth/Mormon Missionaries/The King of Siam/Frankie Valli]" when plays based on them got a bunch of Tonys? I fully believe there is a strain of awful op-eds about how Hamilton would have the right idea about vaping or cryptocurrency but as someone who lives in New York and has been subject to people in the grips of Hamiltonmania for a few years now, I've never heard anyone walk away from it declaring that Bernie Sanders should have been more like Alexander Hamilton or that they wish they could vote for Hamilton/bell hooks in 2020 or whatever I guess elitist liberal bourgeois millennials are doing in between snorting xanax mixed with artisinal foraged jianbing.


Anyway back on topic, Mister Miracle is a dumb comic for dummies full stop.

Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 01:08 on May 26, 2018

Mr Hootington
Jul 24, 2008

I'M HAVING A HOOT EATING CORNETTE THE LONG WAY

Edge & Christian posted:

Maybe I missed the wrong thinkpieces but I feel like most of the people going nuts for Hamilton are doing so because they think Lin-Manuel Miranda (and Leslie Odom and Daveed Diggs and Phillipa Soo and etc.) are talented and entertaining and not because they believe that Alexander Hamilton is a living saint. I haven't seen it or that many Broadway shows in general, but was there a revulsive "LOOK AT THESE FUCKIN' CENTRIST CUCKS CREAMING THEIR JEANS OVER [Eva Peron/Lyndon Johnson/John Wilkes Booth/Mormon Missionaries/The King of Siam/Frankie Valli]" when plays based on them got a bunch of Tonys?

Anyway back on topic, Mister Miracle is a dumb comic for dummies full stop.

Remember when Hamilton was gonna be replaced by Tubman, but people lost there poo poo because of a lovely musical?

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Edge & Christian posted:

Anyway back on topic, Mister Miracle is a dumb comic for dummies full stop.

How can you be this wrong?


Mr Hootington posted:

Remember when Hamilton was gonna be replaced by Tubman, but people lost there poo poo because of a lovely musical?

America, how can you be this mistaken to forget that real life Hamilton was a monster whereas reallife Tubman was a hero? Oh wait, right, this is America we're talking about. Probably shouldn't be surprised...and should probably use smaller words.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters

Mr Hootington posted:

Remember when Hamilton was gonna be replaced by Tubman, but people lost there poo poo because of a lovely musical?
Eye don't remember anyone losing there poo poo but their was a lot of discussion about how Andrew Jackson was a racist shitbag who explicitly didn't want his face on money so maybe putting Tubman on the 20 was a better idea than the 10, and that was set to happen this year before Steve "Executive Producer of Suicide Squad" Mnuchin decided it wasn't worth bothering with because he and his supervillain wife probably didn't want to sign or touch images of a negress, even with gloves on.



Covok posted:

How can you be this wrong?
It's tired and overdone misery porn and faux profundity mixed with a healthy dash of "BIFF BAM POW COMICS AREN'T FOR KIDS ANYMORE, DAD" that is just barely implicitly making fun of stupid ol' Jack Kirby's stupid ol' comics for babies and Tom King has exactly one story to tell over and over and even in the best case scenario it's going to be a self-satsified twelve issue version of this:



Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 01:16 on May 26, 2018

Endless Mike
Aug 13, 2003



That's Oscar Award-Winner Suicide Squad to you.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo
People say Ultimate Spider-Man is good, but Ultimate Spider-Man isn't very good.

I didn't finish it, maybe it gets really good, but from what I saw it was just a depressing slog that speeds through less interesting versions of Spider-Man stuff. I gave up sometime after Carnage killed Gwen Stacy, because goddamn. Gwen Stacy had to die because Gwen Stacy is dead in real life, so they just kill her and it's gross and then Peter Parker is very sad because being Spider-Man has brought nothing but suffering and misery to himself and everyone around him.

Edge & Christian
May 20, 2001

Earth-1145 is truly the best!
A world of singing, magic frogs,
high adventure, no shitposters
ACAB but Gwen Stacy does not stay dead and is a regularly appearing character for most of the run of the bad comic but don't feel obligated to read it

Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Guy Goodbody posted:

People say Ultimate Spider-Man is good, but Ultimate Spider-Man isn't very good.

I didn't finish it, maybe it gets really good, but from what I saw it was just a depressing slog that speeds through less interesting versions of Spider-Man stuff. I gave up sometime after Carnage killed Gwen Stacy, because goddamn. Gwen Stacy had to die because Gwen Stacy is dead in real life, so they just kill her and it's gross and then Peter Parker is very sad because being Spider-Man has brought nothing but suffering and misery to himself and everyone around him.

About Gwen Stacy being dead in USM, she actually comes back in the Clone Saga and stays alive until the Ultimate Universe is destroyed in Ultimate End.

Servoret
Nov 8, 2009



I think my first Ramones might have been watching the video for the song they did for the movie Pet Sematary. I believe the chorus goes “I don’t wanna be buried/In a pet sematary”.

Guy Goodbody
Aug 31, 2016

by Nyc_Tattoo

Covok posted:

About Gwen Stacy being dead in USM, she actually comes back in the Clone Saga and stays alive until the Ultimate Universe is destroyed in Ultimate End.

That's even worse

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Covok
May 27, 2013

Yet where is that woman now? Tell me, in what heave does she reside? None of them. Because no God bothered to listen or care. If that is what you think it means to be a God, then you and all your teachings are welcome to do as that poor women did. And vanish from these realms forever.

Guy Goodbody posted:

That's even worse

Well, she doesn't get killed in Ultimate End. She just dies with everyone not named Miles Morales or Reed Richards. Also, she may not be dead because Spider-Men II brought back the Ultimate Universe. So, actually, I take it back: she is still alive!

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