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It would make sense if replicators produced a meal based on a template so it's exactly the same every time, which is nice and reliable but gets old after a while.
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Replicated food might also be a bit like some military rations. Good enough to eat and get some satisfaction out of, but not so good that you'll end up wanting to overeat it.
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May 26, 2018 06:18
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Eddington grows organic tomatoes and says they taste way better than the replicated stuff. I bet he also makes tote bags and shops at farmers markets.
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May 26, 2018 06:20
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Ghost Leviathan posted:It would make sense if replicators produced a meal based on a template so it's exactly the same every time, which is nice and reliable but gets old after a while. I think that was even explained at some point; it was just a template so it was never bad it just wasn't quite the same. The replicator was still just a machine so it lacked the human touch that home cooked food had. One of the reasons it couldn't make a pie "the way grandma did it" was partly because it was producing it from a generic template and partly because it did it the same way every time. Grandma didn't. So you could be all like "hey replicator, I'd like some flour, some sugar, and enough apples to make a pie" and it would hook you up. Then you'd make the pie and it wouldn't match what the replicator did at all. The other thing is that the replicator was basically just magicking the thing into existence whole cloth while actually cooking it gave it all the funny changes that happen over time while cooking. It really felt like they were doing the whole "manufactured stuff is good but never quite as nice as hand made" thing. Sure machines can make pies but they can't make pies as good as a baker can. DS9 and Voyager played with that a lot more than TNG did.
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May 26, 2018 06:20
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Mu Zeta posted:Eddington grows organic tomatoes and says they taste way better than the replicated stuff. I bet he also makes tote bags and shops at farmers markets. Sisko also gives a moment of silence for when his girlfriend tries to cook and ruins the peppers he had spent weeks growing in his quarters. Of course, Sisko is established as a drat good cajun chef. Still love when grandpa Sisko does Cajun-Ferengi fusion cuisine and Nog loves it, Jake too til he finds out what it's made of. Grandpa Sisko is pretty great for being a character who barely seems to belong in Star Trek but has some great insights and interactions specifically because he's so relatively normal. And to get things slightly back on topic; the episode where the threat of Changeling infiltration gets Earth put under martial law has aged all too well.
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JediTalentAgent posted:Replicated food might also be a bit like some military rations. Good enough to eat and get some satisfaction out of, but not so good that you'll end up wanting to overeat it. So what you’re saying is that Steve1989 was sent from the future to prepare us all for the food to come. Sure I’ll eat it.
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May 26, 2018 07:23
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Absurd Alhazred posted:They should have just done B5 instead of trying to jury-rig it to fit the Star Trek universe, honestly. Babylon 5 and DS9 definitely have some suspiciously familiar setting elements, but honestly the stories they tell are pretty different and I'm glad both series exist.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:And to get things slightly back on topic; the episode where the threat of Changeling infiltration gets Earth put under martial law has aged all too well.
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HOLY gently caress posted:Just wanted to say that I'm v loving DS9 chat so much I mean, it was mildly funny at the time when you actually knew who half the celebrities were. But you couldn’t make the same show today, since half the humour is him being super gross to women and their uncomfortable laughter. Also, there’s all the blacking up.
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May 26, 2018 08:22
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ryonguy posted:Pretty hard to do that when DS9 came out first. Sorry, but Straczynski was shopping B5 around to studios in 1989, including Paramount, who got extensive materials on the basic story arc, characters, series bible, and artwork. All long before there was any thoughts of a spinoff of Next Generation. Paramount's announcement that they were doing DS9 came two months after Warner announced production of B5. B5's pilot aired just weeks after DS9's, due more to scheduling of the startup of the PTN network than "following" DS9.
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ryonguy posted:Pretty hard to do that when DS9 came out first. No, it would have been easy to accept JMS's pitch instead of rejecting him, then strangely enough creating an extremely similar show, the filming of whose pilot, by the way, actually started after that of B5's had concluded. Farmer Crack-rear end posted:Babylon 5 and DS9 definitely have some suspiciously familiar setting elements, but honestly the stories they tell are pretty different and I'm glad both series exist. I'm just saying that they tried to fit a square peg into a circular hole, it's not surprising that there's scratch marks. 
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Babylon 5, if getting completely retooled to fit in the TNG era/setting, would probably have had some big plotline changes. Something like the Federation was trying to build a (relatively) non-Starfleet space station to act as a neutral ground in a relatively disputed/conflict-heavy region of space. Being located out on the farthest fringes of known space, there had been a relatively short, but costly, conflict involving the Federation years prior to that that ultimately resulted in a cease-fire. The treaty with the 'Minbari' to get their foot in the door in this sector of space would be to make the B5 distictively non-militarized. It can have onboard weapons and security, but Starfleet and Federation vessels are otherwise prohibited from the region. This gives you a situation where the Federation, in order to stock and staff it, has to wheel and deal with non-aligned worlds or privateers to act as middle men for them on both ends of the line. It makes them a bit more vulnerable, it makes getting help harder/impossible, it makes them have to make harder choices because they can't expect the power of the Federation to swoop in and defend them at a moment's notice or rattle their swords.
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May 26, 2018 09:22
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Is there another thread that y'all could take this Trek talk?
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I was watching some old JLU/JL/Batman:TAS clips recently and it struck me how 'cinematic' they were. In retrospect, most the WB DC cartoons from the mid-90s through the 2000s really makes any similar stuff from the same time or earlier maybe age really poorly in comparison.
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I really thought there was a tng episode where somebody talks about basically uploading recipes and tweaking them. So you could have the replicator standard burger and also like Worfs Special Burger With Worms Or Whatever.
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May 26, 2018 12:58
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That does not sound appetizing. Boy, those kooky Klingons sure are different than us!
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Raktajino sounds delicious
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Mu Zeta posted:Raktajino sounds delicious I've always assumed it was just really really strong espresso-type coffee.
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Re: the Ferengi: I remember hearing about a tie-in comic (which I haven't read) which was about how Nog became one of the few cadets to "beat" the Kobayashi Maru test by offering to bribe the Klingons to go away, which worked because the Starfleet people who programmed the test apparently never considered it as a possibility. I thought that was funny (though it's probably not very good - probably falls into the same trap most Star Trek tie-in stuff does in missing that the point of Kobayashi Maru isn't whether or not you can beat it).
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ryonguy posted:Pretty hard to do that when DS9 came out first. Babylon 5 was pitched BEFORE ds9 to the people who MADE ds9 oh god
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Reminds me of the people who complained Dredd was a rip off of The Raid, only for them to find out Dredd was being filmed before The Raid
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EmmyOk posted:Babylon 5 was pitched BEFORE ds9 to the people who MADE ds9 oh god
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EmmyOk posted:Babylon 5 was pitched BEFORE ds9 to the people who MADE ds9 oh god Absurd Alhazred posted:No, it would have been easy to accept JMS's pitch instead of rejecting him, then strangely enough creating an extremely similar show, the filming of whose pilot, by the way, actually started after that of B5's had concluded. MrUnderbridge posted:Sorry, but Straczynski was shopping B5 around to studios in 1989, including Paramount, who got extensive materials on the basic story arc, characters, series bible, and artwork. All long before there was any thoughts of a spinoff of Next Generation. Paramount's announcement that they were doing DS9 came two months after Warner announced production of B5. Okay so B5 is thinly veiled Star Trek fanfiction, got it.
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Davros1 posted:Reminds me of the people who complained Dredd was a rip off of The Raid, only for them to find out Dredd was being filmed before The Raid I still want a Dredd sequel. And another Raid while we're at it.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still want a Dredd sequel. And another Raid while we're at it. I don't think Rama will be doing anything after The Raid 2... Iko Uwais still is tho, as there's Headshot and this Triple Threat that's coming out this year could be pretty great.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Re: the Ferengi: I remember hearing about a tie-in comic (which I haven't read) which was about how Nog became one of the few cadets to "beat" the Kobayashi Maru test by offering to bribe the Klingons to go away, which worked because the Starfleet people who programmed the test apparently never considered it as a possibility. I thought that was funny (though it's probably not very good - probably falls into the same trap most Star Trek tie-in stuff does in missing that the point of Kobayashi Maru isn't whether or not you can beat it). While it's true that the whole point of it is that you're not supposed to beat it no matter what it's pretty hard to make a test that's totally unbeatable. That's especially true when you're dealing with more than just humans. Granted in the case of Kirk he just hacked the computer because he's, you know, Kirk. It would actually make sense that a society that hasn't had to bother with money or scarcity for centuries wouldn't even think of bribes while the Ferengi would pretty much just default to that.
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Solice Kirsk posted:I still want a Dredd sequel. And another Raid while we're at it. They keep shopping around the idea of an Urban starring Dredd tv series, and everyone involved actively is enthusiastic, so fingers crossed.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:Star Trek pretty strongly indicated that replicator technology could never create anything as good as something hand crafted.
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Choco1980 posted:They keep shopping around the idea of an Urban starring Dredd tv series, and everyone involved actively is enthusiastic, so fingers crossed. Only if Urban is in every episode.
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Mister Kingdom posted:Only if Urban is in every episode. And doesn't say more than 3 pages of dialogue the entire season.
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Tiggum posted:That never made any sense though. You can perfectly reproduce something down to the subatomic level but somehow it just doesn't taste the same? Bullshit. I suppose your stereo system sounds better with gold-plated speaker cables, too? Actually, replicators are stated to recreate only down to the molecular level, so presumably there's some it can't get quite right/are missing in the final food. There's a TNG reference that a certain seafood is actually poisonous if replicated. Teleporters are sub-atomic however, though I'm guessing it's not practical for the energy expended, or something. Mister Facetious has a new favorite as of 23:44 on May 26, 2018 |
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Of course, ultimately the real answer to "what's the deal with Quark's" is they wanted to have an old West saloon guy because it was a frontier outpost in space.JediTalentAgent posted:I was watching some old JLU/JL/Batman:TAS clips recently and it struck me how 'cinematic' they were. In retrospect, most the WB DC cartoons from the mid-90s through the 2000s really makes any similar stuff from the same time or earlier maybe age really poorly in comparison. Additionally, the Justice League cartoon had several multi-parters that put the current live-action movies to shame in every way. Actually I'd say it even puts Civil War to shame; they tackled that whole "government vs. superhero group" plot in the most thrilling and cerebral way I've yet seen. Opposite of what this thread is about I suppose. Sir Lemming has a new favorite as of 00:01 on May 27, 2018 |
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i mean it makes sense that teleporters needing an active technician and a room-sized machine that has to move things with total fidelity are more sophisticated instruments than microwave-sized wall mounts that are more-or-less upjumped vending machines
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May 27, 2018 00:01
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Until voyager where you can do a site to site transport with the computer from wherever.
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That is only because they were all hoping the computer would screw up and kill them. It wasn't any safer.
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Voyager: Star Trek, but stupid.
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RaspberryCommie posted:Voyager: Star Trek, but stupid. It was a good idea and the first couple seasons were good. Later seasons...not so much. I quit watching when the bug things that the Borg couldn't assimilate showed up. The series got loving stupid after that.
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Voyager was flagging in ratings so the producers remedy for this was “let’s hire a chick with big titties”
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Volcott posted:Until voyager where you can do a site to site transport with the computer from wherever. the machine doing it is still a room-sized thing with a technician monitoring it the only difference is that in voyager you don't have to directly talk to o'brien if you don't want to
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