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The dang empire lasted for four extra centuries but i'm sure some three dudes 300 years earlier being emperors would make a dramatic change to stop the Franks from wanting to cross the Rhine.
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Mans posted:The dang empire lasted for four extra centuries but i'm sure some three dudes 300 years earlier being emperors would make a dramatic change to stop the Franks from wanting to cross the Rhine. Well ostensibly the Drusus moving the borders to the Elbe would mean the Franks were already in the Empire and wouldn't need to cross to the Rhine 
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May 27, 2018 04:32
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Mans posted:How do you know this? Drusus was actually a good general and politician. Tiberius had to be transferred from Germania to crush the Illyrian revolt, leaving Germania in the hands of Varus, who hosed the dog and got his legions massacred. If Drusus lives, then either him or Tiberius is left in charge of Germania while the other is sent off to fight in Illyria, and neither of them are dumb enough to fall into that ambush. Charlz Guybon fucked around with this message at 04:43 on May 27, 2018 |
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May 27, 2018 04:39
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Mans posted:The dang empire lasted for four extra centuries but i'm sure some three dudes 300 years earlier being emperors would make a dramatic change to stop the Franks from wanting to cross the Rhine. The biggest problem with the Roman Empire was it's unstable succession, leading to constant escalating civil wars. That problem can be traced to the very beginning of the Empire, with every capable successor of Augustus and then Tiberius dying young, some to chance and others to intrigue. Obviously, if the empire's first century has capable men, of the same dynasty, inheriting the throne peacefully, that sets the Empire on a more stable foundation.
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May 27, 2018 04:43
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Not really, I can’t think of how a stable first century really changes anything. A stable third century sure but there weren’t many threats that needed stability to deal with.
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May 27, 2018 04:44
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Charlz Guybon posted:The biggest problem with the Roman Empire was it's unstable succession, leading to constant escalating civil wars. That problem can be traced to the very beginning of the Empire, with every capable successor of Augustus and then Tiberius dying young, some to chance and others to intrigue. Except if you think about it for the first ~200~ or so years of the Empire you had 2 civil wars that lasted like a year or two each between Augustus and Septimus Severus.
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May 27, 2018 04:47
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CharlestheHammer posted:Not really, I can’t think of how a stable first century really changes anything. A stable third century sure but there weren’t many threats that needed stability to deal with. The house that is built on rock will withstand the storm, while the house that is built on a foundation of sand will collapse.
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May 27, 2018 04:53
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Charlz Guybon posted:The house that is built on rock will withstand the storm, while the house that is built on a foundation of sand will collapse. The House was built on a rock. All the civil wars prove just how stable the empire was and just how good a job Augustus did. Hell the empire ran for a long time with no real emperor. I um don’t think you quite know enough Roman history to argue this.
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May 27, 2018 04:57
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Speculating about how history would've played out if only X happened is fine and the raison d'être of paradox games. Insisting that your imagined version of alternative history is the only possible way that several hundred years of history could've played out if only X happened is the sort of thing that should qualify you for receiving automated voice mail messages saying "remember you are mortal" on the hour.
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May 27, 2018 05:00
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I mean, if you go by Wikipedia, the Roman Empire was the third longest lasting empire in history.
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May 27, 2018 05:33
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For how much poo poo the Roman Empire gets for its Civil Wars it was only truly unstable when outside forces pushed it to hard. That’s when things began to break down but what empire wouldn’t have.
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May 27, 2018 05:37
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Charlz Guybon posted:Drusus was actually a good general and politician. The thing is, even assuming the Roman legions never faced a defeat in Germania, there's piss-all there they'd actually WANT to keep. Germanic tribes of the time didn't really provide a lot in the way of taxable income, and the cost of garrisoning the whole place would have quickly outstripped any gains. Compare and contrast with the Gauls, who had fairly large and economically complex cities, i.e. loot.
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May 27, 2018 05:51
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Ancient societies were a lot more unstable than modern states as a rule. Civil wars upon the monarch's death were more common than not most places. And if not that, then apocalyptic mass peasant revolt like in China.
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May 27, 2018 06:06
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Tomn posted:The thing is, even assuming the Roman legions never faced a defeat in Germania, there's piss-all there they'd actually WANT to keep. Germanic tribes of the time didn't really provide a lot in the way of taxable income, and the cost of garrisoning the whole place would have quickly outstripped any gains. Britain was not that much better off and it developed in time to be profitable. The big benefit of the Elbe is shorter borders to defend.
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May 27, 2018 06:40
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They always knew about the massive amounts of tin?
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May 27, 2018 06:45
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What if it was Reme instead of Rome
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May 27, 2018 06:46
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Tomn posted:I've been idly thinking about running a LP as Fascist Italy, with the twist that one person is selected as Il Duce, whose primary responsibility is to assign other posters to various other government roles, most of which overlap or interfere with each other (like one guy is responsible for designing new divisions, another is responsible for assigning military factories, someone else is responsible for queuing up new divisions, etc). Also any of the assigned ministers have the right at any time to try and declare a coup, and if they gain a majority of supporters Il Duce can be replaced by one of the few Top Ministers which he had previously selected, whereas if they fail Il Duce can begin purging. Ah, Enter the Chamber of Mussolinis. My favorite HoI IV gamemode. Your are just putting along as the minister of industry looking at red and green numbers, when suddenly the general for the French front is demanding we produce tanks, and the air force is demanding planes, and the eastern front is demanding like rocket artillery or I don't know I stopped paying attention and am now just building whatever, whoever is funniest gets their order filled.
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May 27, 2018 07:30
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Charlz Guybon posted:The house that is built on rock will withstand the storm, while the house that is built on a foundation of sand will collapse. Yeah the Empire was inherently unstable always seems to me a weird take, if anything it was remarkably stable. The 1st century BC started out with 3-4 huge and several other major civil wars in succession. In contrast after Augustus you get really 2, the year of the Four Emperors, which was resolved much more quickly, and then you get the Year of Five Emperors after Commodus and that is 2 years of civil war... in between 210 years of them not fighting one for control of the Empire. Everything unravels after the Septimius Severus kicks the bucket, but that is like blaming the collapse of the British Empire in the 1950's due to the American Revolution in 1776. You can sort of draw the line, but its really loving tenuous.
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May 27, 2018 07:56
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So is everyone dreaming of Imperator having a MTTM, or a mean time to Messiah And if it doesn't trigger correctly, everyone stays Jewish
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May 27, 2018 09:02
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https://twitter.com/producerjohan/status/1000655329493962752 Looks like Hispania's already been filled in since the pdxcon build.
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May 27, 2018 09:46
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I wonder what's going on with "Rugia" in southern Norway, I can't find anything about it online
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May 27, 2018 09:54
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Probably these fellas. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rugii
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May 27, 2018 09:59
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://twitter.com/producerjohan/status/1000655329493962752 Lugia finally, I can unite Europe as a pokemon
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ThaumPenguin posted:I wonder what's going on with "Rugia" in southern Norway, I can't find anything about it online As previously stated it's the Rugii tribe. They gave their name to the Rogaland county in Norway and the Rügen (known in latin as Rugia) island off Germany's north east coast.
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May 27, 2018 10:15
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So will the whole map be filled in with counties/provinces/whatever or will there be some places (other than the Sahara) that will be greyed out “HIC AUTEM DRACONES” areas?
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May 27, 2018 10:22
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I was promised there would be no Norway 
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May 27, 2018 10:55
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So who's going to do the first WC as the OPM in the Vale of Eden? I mean, I assume that's an OPM. On this map I might be wrong 
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May 27, 2018 11:06
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Freudian posted:I was promised there would be no Norway
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May 27, 2018 11:17
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Randarkman posted:As previously stated it's the Rugii tribe. They gave their name to the Rogaland county in Norway and the Rügen (known in latin as Rugia) island off Germany's north east coast. Yeah there are a few notable tribes who migrate south on the map. The Gothones migrate west to where the Scythians are, the Bastarnae end up near Thrace and the Teutones and Cimbri migrate south toward Italy and run into Marius.
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Terrible Opinions posted:Probably these fellas. Randarkman posted:As previously stated it's the Rugii tribe. They gave their name to the Rogaland county in Norway and the Rügen (known in latin as Rugia) island off Germany's north east coast. That's pretty neat, I was wondering if it had something to do with Rogaland! I remember being blown away reading Heimskringla and realizing many of the modern counties here were named after ancient tribes; Hordes from Hordaland, Teles from Telemark, Egders from Agder etc
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May 27, 2018 11:58
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That last one wasn't a joke, Agder shares the same root as the English word "edge" edgy county e: currently there are two edgy counties, west and east, but they're meant to get recombined at some point in the future
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May 27, 2018 12:00
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I do like that they went the Wiz's mod route of just putting a shitload of barbarian countries everywhere instead of having the map be empty like vanilla R1.
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Yeah, I'm kind of looking forward to this. Just glad we're getting another historical grand strategy game and not EUIV/CK2 DLC #45879.
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Pirate Radar posted:So will the whole map be filled in with counties/provinces/whatever or will there be some places (other than the Sahara) that will be greyed out “HIC AUTEM DRACONES” areas? The more I see if how detailed what is already there is I don't know if we really need the Sahara or the steppes so I wouldn't be surprised to see less filled in of the gray. But at this point the brown edges are still calling their shots.
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May 27, 2018 12:48
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I wonder if the Magyars will be on the map, they should just be chilling in... the northern Caucasus at this time?
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catlord posted:I wonder if the Magyars will be on the map, they should just be chilling in... the northern Caucasus at this time? It would also make sense to have them named Ungari.
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May 27, 2018 16:40
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Dr. Video Games 0031 posted:https://twitter.com/producerjohan/status/1000655329493962752 What's up with the name of the Baltic Sea? The Sarmatians didn't live that far north, did they?
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Pakled posted:What's up with the name of the Baltic Sea? The Sarmatians didn't live that far north, did they?
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May 27, 2018 17:12
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I hope the game lets the player re-name geographic features in their own incorrect way. "Mare Populi"
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The Narrator posted:What if it was Reme instead of Rome It's be weird having a city in antiquity founded by space bat people.
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