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Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

A Typical Goon posted:

This isn’t twitter dipshit. Pointing out spelling errors isn’t much of an argument
Like I said, it isn't something I would normally do; I just thought it made the use of "moron" in the same sentence a little :ironicat:. But yeah, if I could go back and time and rewrite that post, I'd probably take it out. That's life!

e: the lamest snipe

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Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

While voting is 100% a right that one is free not to excerise...

Lol at saying "Don't vote" in the wake of 2016, you morons must be teeming with brainworms.

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011
Yeah I’m sure everything would be just hunky dory stateside with Hillary in charge

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

A Typical Goon posted:

Yeah I’m sure everything would be just hunky dory stateside with Hillary in charge

Just caring about presidential elections is part of the brainworms infection that feasts upon America

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

A Typical Goon posted:

Yeah I’m sure everything would be just hunky dory stateside with Hillary in charge
and? "the other candidate was not literally perfect" isn't much of an argument

unless you're suggesting that Hilary would've been no better than Trump, in which case :lol:

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Subjunctive posted:

FWIW, no, that is not my position which is why I didn’t say it. You, in your first post in this chain, made a strong claim about the effects of voting on centralization of power in the elite. I asked about that specific claim. You asked me to read back the minutes of your post history, rather than respond to my specific claim. Moron.
Actually, the first post I made about this was saying that although I understand why others on the left are dismissive against voting, I still supported it as a valuable stepping stone towards further political activity. I assumed you read that. Then I posted the absolute bare-bones history of our voting system and why I feel that our specific voting system and the political apparatus around it favours the wealthy, which is something that is backed up by how we've gone from the party of the wealthy bankers and manufacturers to the party of the wealthy oil extractors and back again for our entire history. That was the explanation for why I thought voting as it exists in Canada creates a safety valve for our frustrations, while the truly powerful using lobbying and personal relationships to prevent any damage coming to them or their interests.

Or how every time we get an even somewhat left party elected, all of the powerful forces in our economy and the media conspire endlessly to bring it down, making something like Rae days into a curse word while ignoring all of the terrible effects of privatisation of productive assets for short-term gain, or under-funding valuable social services.

Once again, I've made my overall position quite clear, I even have it my name. I'd like you to outline what your beliefs are, how we as a country of nations can continue to develop and provide for our citizens, and then we can debate with all the facts on the table. As it is, your arguments have little weight behind them.

Thank for the correction about "whose" I'll correct that, as it was looking weird to me. But as the other poster pointed out, pointing out a spelling error hardly disqualifies an entire argument, or the person who posted it. However, saying that you're not going to read part of an argument you seem eager to get involved with because it's too long or complicated is a pretty moron-move, so I still stand behind that statement.

Juul-Whip
Mar 10, 2008

The NDP has its own case of brain worms:

“We have no chance anyway, what’s the point”
“We’re looking pretty good but vote splitting will definitely gently caress us, what’s the point”
“We’re in the lead but it’s still two weeks out, that’s called peaking too early”
“We’re up 9 points so we’ll win anyway, no point in me voting”
“Andrea Horwath has not promised to guillotine every small business owner, what’s the point”

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

THC posted:

The NDP has its own case of brain worms:

“We have no chance anyway, what’s the point”
“We’re looking pretty good but vote splitting will definitely gently caress us, what’s the point”
“We’re in the lead but it’s still two weeks out, that’s called peaking too early”
“We’re up 9 points so we’ll win anyway, no point in me voting”
“Andrea Horwath has not promised to guillotine every small business owner, what’s the point”

So the NDP are Ottawa Senators fans?

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Elephant Parade posted:

and? "the other candidate was not literally perfect" isn't much of an argument

unless you're suggesting that Hilary would've been no better than Trump, in which case :lol:

Crazy how the democrat platform of ‘we’ll be terrible, but not as terrible as Trump!’ Didn’t inspire the American populace to turnout in huge numbers

Elephant Parade
Jan 20, 2018

A Typical Goon posted:

Crazy how the democrat platform of ‘we’ll be terrible, but not as terrible as Trump!’ Didn’t inspire the American populace to turnout in huge numbers
that's not what you said. you said


A Typical Goon posted:

Yeah I'm sure everything would be just hunky dory stateside with Hillary in charge
which, at least to me, sounded more like a comment on Hillary's ability to govern than Hillary's electability

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
I don't know how you can look at the situation in the States and not come away with the conclusion that voting, even for someone you don't love, is still incredibly important.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

Elephant Parade posted:

which, at least to me, sounded more like a comment on Hillary's ability to govern than Hillary's electability

Both are bad

But you know, rather get hit in the balls by a tennis ball than a shot put

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

PT6A posted:

I don't know how you can look at the situation in the States and not come away with the conclusion that voting, even for someone you don't love, is still incredibly important.

I don’t know how you can look at the situation in the states and come away with the impression that the democrats or republicans are radically different. It’s the choice between a right wing party or a far right party. That’s not a choice at all.

American democracy is a farce

Ardent Communist
Oct 17, 2010

ALLAH! MU'AMMAR! LIBYA WA BAS!

Elephant Parade posted:

that's not what you said. you said

which, at least to me, sounded more like a comment on Hillary's ability to govern than Hillary's electability
Actually, it's more of a comment on how she would govern, based on her history as secretary of state and her previous statements and actions. Just guessing, but that's how I read it. Stop trying to find a gotcha and actually debate people in the debate forum, please.

Argas
Jan 13, 2008
SRW Fanatic




If you are not at all inclined to participate in politics or even social progress whatsoever, voting is basically the least you can contribute.

But if you are there's way more stuff to do than voting, but you should never not vote if you can.

Powershift
Nov 23, 2009


We've been getting Rob Ford commercials in Alberta, and lol.

20% tax cuts, 10 cents a liter off gas, how could you NOT vote for policy that solid. Free money with no downside.

Lightning Lord
Feb 21, 2013

$200 a day, plus expenses

A Typical Goon posted:

I don’t know how you can look at the situation in the states and come away with the impression that the democrats or republicans are radically different. It’s the choice between a right wing party or a far right party. That’s not a choice at all.

American democracy is a farce

People in America only caring about presidential elections is a huge reason why it's like this

Whatever other solutions there might be, "never vote because your votes don't matter" is just shithouse and entrenches that problem more

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

A Typical Goon posted:

I don’t know how you can look at the situation in the states and come away with the impression that the democrats or republicans are radically different. It’s the choice between a right wing party or a far right party. That’s not a choice at all.

American democracy is a farce

If you honestly think a Democratic presidency would be similar to what's going on right now in the US under Trump, you are insane and should seek mental help.

Yes, it may not be perfect; yes it may still be too far right on the political spectrum, but that doesn't mean it's not a lot better than Trump and Pruitt and DeVos and Jeff loving Sessions, and Gorsuch, etc., etc. You're a complete loving idiot if you don't see and understand that.

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Powershift posted:

We've been getting Rob Ford commercials in Alberta, and lol.

20% tax cuts, 10 cents a liter off gas, how could you NOT vote for policy that solid. Free money with no downside.

He's literally promising the return of $1 beer at corner stores, with no further explanation than the invisible hand will magically make it happen.

Jazz Police
Nov 6, 2009

It's your fault, man.
Can't believe Doug accused the NDP of getting inspiration from Hitler during the actual debate. Hot take.

Capri Sunrise
May 16, 2008

Elephants are mammals of the family Elephantidae and the largest existing land animals. Three species are currently recognised: the African bush elephant, the African forest elephant, and the Asian elephant.
Anyone watching the debate? Andrea's getting some decent dunks on Ford though all 3 are coming across sort of robotic to me.

A Typical Goon
Feb 25, 2011

Wilhelm posted:

Anyone watching the debate? Andrea's getting some decent dunks on Ford though all 3 are coming across sort of robotic to me.

Wynne seems to be super defensive. Doug wants so hard to be Donnie but he’s somehow even less charismatic. Horwath has been ok

Whimsy
Jan 8, 2001

A Typical Goon posted:

Wynne seems to be super defensive. Doug wants so hard to be Donnie but he’s somehow even less charismatic. Horwath has been ok

I'm pretty sure Doug just tuned out on Kathleen's question to Andrea.

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib
MY FRIENDS

Arabian Jesus
Feb 15, 2008

We've got the American Jesus
Bolstering national faith

We've got the American Jesus
Overwhelming millions every day

Doug: "I'd like to know who these rich people are"


"They give you $1200 a year you should know who they are"


I love it

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Wow ford's a complete idiot.

patonthebach
Aug 22, 2016

by R. Guyovich
This debate is garbage.

lol @ wynne "broadening the ownership of hydro one", oh you mean selling it?

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib

patonthebach posted:

This debate is garbage.

lol @ wynne "broadening the ownership of hydro one", oh you mean selling it?

That was pretty laffo

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




Wynne is describing all the stuff she failed to do then decided to sell off an asset to try and bandaid over.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

TrueChaos posted:

Wow ford's a complete idiot.

No poo poo?

Boy, sure am glad we had this debate, how could we have stumbled upon this fact otherwise? :v:

TrueChaos
Nov 14, 2006




PT6A posted:

No poo poo?

Boy, sure am glad we had this debate, how could we have stumbled upon this fact otherwise? :v:

It's an entirely different thing to see than read, especially when I've mostly avoided seeing him speak.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

TrueChaos posted:

It's an entirely different thing to see than read, especially when I've mostly avoided seeing him speak.

True enough.

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

Jazz Police posted:

Can't believe Doug accused the NDP of getting inspiration from Hitler during the actual debate. Hot take.
The Nazis were socialists! It says so right in their name!

less than three
Aug 9, 2007



Fallen Rib
I like his seemingly genuine belief that gas stations aren't just going to pocket the 10c/L, or private daycare isn't going to suddenly raise prices to match the free money coming from the government.

BWV
Feb 24, 2005


Doug Ford is a moron

Mr. Apollo
Nov 8, 2000

less than three posted:

I like his seemingly genuine belief that gas stations aren't just going to pocket the 10c/L, or private daycare isn't going to suddenly raise prices to match the free money coming from the government.
Ive tried pointing out to people exactly that. People are used to paying the current gas price so the extra $0.10 will just go to the station’s profit. But of course they say “well then people will just boycott those stations and go to the ones that are passing along the savings. THE FREE MARKET IN ACTION.”

The Duggler
Feb 20, 2011

I do not hear you, I do not see you, I will not let you get into the Duggler's head with your bring-downs.

Mr. Apollo posted:

Ive tried pointing out to people exactly that. People are used to paying the current gas price so the extra $0.10 will just go to the station’s profit. But of course they say “well then people will just boycott those stations and go to the ones that are passing along the savings. THE FREE MARKET IN ACTION.”

I truly believe that businesses will leave millions of dollars on the table for no reason

EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
I found Horwath so-so most of the time because she would sidetrack at the beginning of questions. Maybe it's pressure. It's easy for me to say from my couch.

She fared better with audience questions. For instance:

"we paid $20,000 last year for childcare for our son, what is your plan?"

Horwath: $2600/year childcare
Ford: I'll give you $6,000
Wynne: NDP bad

:thunk:


Seriously though, Ford is so full of poo poo.

tagesschau
Sep 1, 2006

D&D: HASBARA SQUAD
THE SPEECH SUPPRESSOR


Remember: it's "antisemitic" to protest genocide as long as the targets are brown.

A Typical Goon posted:

Yeah I’m sure everything would be just hunky dory stateside with Hillary in charge

A Typical Goon posted:

I don’t know how you can look at the situation in the states and come away with the impression that the democrats or republicans are radically different.

You
  • have not been paying attention to literally a single thing that has happened in the world since November 9, 2016
  • are stupid
  • are trolling
Which one(s)?

Ardent Communist posted:

Or how every time we get an even somewhat left party elected, all of the powerful forces in our economy and the media conspire endlessly to bring it down

:tinfoil:

tagesschau fucked around with this message at 01:30 on May 28, 2018

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EvidenceBasedQuack
Aug 15, 2015

A rock has no detectable opinion about gravity
Also please check the Google reviews for Humber River Hospital.

Ford's top healthcare adviser being the CEO. Hmmm
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