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The fact that Patrick Brown popped out of the aether last night to twist the knife on the PC party suggests their internal polling may be worse than what external polls are saying right now.
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May 29, 2018 14:45
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YEAH BOY WE ARE BUYING A PIPELINE FOR only $4.5B DOLLARS http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/liberals-trans-mountain-pipeline-kinder-morgan-1.4681911 quote:He said the government does not intend to be a long-term owner, and at the appropriate time, the government will work with investors to transfer the project and related assets to a new owner or owners. Investors such as Indigenous groups and pension funds have already expressed interest, he said. quote:Kinder Morgan issued a statement that says the deal represents the best way forward for shareholders and Canadians.
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May 29, 2018 14:56
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So back in the winter I witnessed a hit and run. The person blew a stop sign and t boned a car, which spun the car he hit 180. He kind of rolled to stop on the sidewalk and then drove off really quick. The driver who got hit was incredibly lucky, because the point of impact was closer to her back wheel instead of direct on them. We called an ambulance and the cops and stuck around to file a report, and they got the guy who ran. The victim was just really shook, I don’t think they were injured. Cue several months later - I get a summons to report as a witness. The trial was adjourned but still happening in a few months. That’s not a big deal. gently caress this guy, I’m happy to take time to show up for court for thus. A bigger deal is the charges. Traffic court is like nothing in terms of penalties. It’s brutal. Even if he gets convicted, he loses a bunch of demerit points and pays a small fine. Our system sucks in terms of dealing with stuff like this.
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Cerepol posted:YEAH BOY We are assuming the existing Canadian Assets of Kinder Morgan, they will start the pipeline this summer, the Canadian government will assume control of construction and finish paying the rest of the construction once the deal closes. Then try and sell the pipeline and the rest of the assets. E: This is going to cost way more then 4.5B
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May 29, 2018 15:16
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First step to nationalizing oil production I’m all for it.
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May 29, 2018 15:18
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It's awesome that even when the market can't build something we still need to privatize it once we build it, for some reason.
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May 29, 2018 15:21
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I like how Alberta hated the older Trudeau for nationalizing oil, and now the younger Trudeau is trying to win Alberta by nationalizing oil.
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May 29, 2018 15:22
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Jordan7hm posted:First step to nationalizing oil production I’m all for it. Morneau already said they are selling everything once the deal goes through
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May 29, 2018 15:23
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Lmao the CPC and Alberta cons on twitter hate this already, who exactly was this decision supposed to please? Is it just fellating KM?
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May 29, 2018 15:24
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CLAM DOWN posted:Lmao the CPC and Alberta cons on twitter hate this already, who exactly was this decision supposed to please? Is it just fellating KM? As with anything the Liberals do, don't ask yourself if it will be popular with voters, ask yourself if it will be popular with big business.
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May 29, 2018 15:28
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The Liberals think they are the natural governing party. Just look at Ontario where they thought they could turn their approval ratings around with one budget despite being the most hated government in Canada right now. They aren't doing this to please anyone except the wealthy bankers and oil people who will give them jobs after they leave office. They know this move is unpopular but they assume people will vote for them anyway because they are the Liberals and they own the country. The sad part is they might not be wrong.
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May 29, 2018 15:29
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Where's some good places to read up on my riding / candidates? Going to be voting in Kanata-Carleton if anyone has particular opinions on that riding.
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May 29, 2018 15:47
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Vote NDP ffs
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Oxyclean posted:Where's some good places to read up on my riding / candidates? Going to be voting in Kanata-Carleton if anyone has particular opinions on that riding. Man, they re-map your riding every 5-10 years it looks like. Looks like its gone heavy blue with over 50% of the vote for quite some time in previous mappings, so uh vote NDP.
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Duck Rodgers posted:I like how Alberta hated the older Trudeau for nationalizing oil, and now the younger Trudeau is trying to win Alberta by nationalizing oil. The objection to the NEP didn't have to do with ideological opposition to nationalization, it had to do with hurting the profits of the companies that made the hiring decisions in Alberta at the time, which put the squeeze on our economy really bad. I imagine full nationalization with guarantees of employment and good pay would've gone over reasonably well. Granted, in this case it probably makes more sense to invest those billions of dollars in literally any other segment of the Albertan economy to try to diversify our economy off oil, but 
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Last time I voted I remember being pretty annoyed at how strong the blue leaning was, but yeah, I was thinking NDP, but apparently Liberals have come close in the past? Mostly coming at this from a "I don't want Rob Ford" angle and it's sound like the conservative vote might be split among Trillium and PC?
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May 29, 2018 15:56
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I'm almost 100% certain you will not under any circumstances end up with Rob Ford.
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infernal machines posted:I'm almost 100% certain you will not under any circumstances end up with Rob Ford. Well I also mean I don't want a conservative candidate holding the riding either.
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Oxyclean posted:Well I also mean I don't want a conservative candidate holding the riding either. Unless your riding has shifted something like 20+ points in another direction you are in all likelihood getting a conservative MPP. Here's the electoral history of what most of your riding was before this election. The liberals aren't coming close this time I don't think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton%E2%80%94Mississippi_Mills_(provincial_electoral_district)
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May 29, 2018 16:07
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To be fair it might as well be Rob Ford running. Rob had something of a personality at least, whereas Doug has the mien of a used car salesman.
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Oh lmao, right. Doug, not Rob. Le Saboteur posted:Unless your riding has shifted something like 20+ points in another direction you are in all likelihood getting a conservative MPP. Here's the electoral history of what most of your riding was before this election. The liberals aren't coming close this time I don't think. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carleton%E2%80%94Mississippi_Mills_(provincial_electoral_district) http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/kanata-carleton-ottawa-ontario-election-2018-1.4645374 Apparently the shakeup has been that the conservative incumbent, Jack MacLaren got the boot from the party for comments on french-language rights and is running as Trillium.
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Oxyclean posted:Oh lmao, right. Doug, not Rob. As a non conservative vote it does look like it might be worth voting Liberal if you're going strategic. I always vote NDP on my ballot as I don't like to play the strategic game, its up to you.
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I'm working hard on getting the young people around me to vote in my riding https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_North_Centre_(provincial_electoral_district) its 100% possible we go NDP here and I want to ensure that happens.
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Oxyclean posted:Oh lmao, right. Doug, not Rob. Don't get me wrong, I fully believe the people of Etobicoke North would elect his corpse given the chance.
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Le Saboteur posted:Yeah there's this weird none of the above party picking up a lot of libertarian types in Brantford. NDP is looking like they could win this riding for the first time since the early 90s. I am still trying to figure out the politics of the place despite growing up there. It went easily Liberal during Dave Levac's tenure despite half of the riding being suburban and conservative as gently caress, but there's also the working class undercurrent that should go NDP but instead goes either PC or Libertarian. I think the only reason the NDP does as well as it does there is because its candidates do actual outreach outside of politics. The Liberals and PC/Cons almost never run a candidate again once they lose.
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mojo1701a posted:I am still trying to figure out the politics of the place despite growing up there. It went easily Liberal during Dave Levac's tenure despite half of the riding being suburban and conservative as gently caress, but there's also the working class undercurrent that should go NDP but instead goes either PC or Libertarian. This year Alex Felsky is doing exceptionally well because she's the only recognizable name on the ticket and she does a ton of outreach. They have a brand new PC candidate and a brand new Liberal candidate. I think Dave Levac lasted so long because he was kind of a legacy and generally well liked among the entire city. Also there are certain suburbs in Brantford like my parents area in the North End by Branlyn School that are very Liberal/NDP leaning and have always been.
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May 29, 2018 16:43
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Le Saboteur posted:This year Alex Felsky is doing exceptionally well because she's the only recognizable name on the ticket and she does a ton of outreach. They have a brand new PC candidate and a brand new Liberal candidate. I think Dave Levac lasted so long because he was kind of a legacy and generally well liked among the entire city. My bias might be that I used to spend half my time with the local Polish community, and all they do is complain about taxes/gays/minorities and are staunch conservatives these days. Man could I ever tell stories about that community and its internal mechanisms.
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mojo1701a posted:My bias might be that I used to spend half my time with the local Polish community, and all they do is complain about taxes/gays/minorities and are staunch conservatives these days. Lol I live next to a Polish Hall and within a two block vicinity of another Polish Hall. I like to get food from them every so often.
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DariusLikewise posted:E: This is going to cost way more then 4.5B The 4.5B doesn't cover the cost of construction. It's at least another 7.4B on top of that.
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mojo1701a posted:My bias might be that I used to spend half my time with the local Polish community, and all they do is complain about taxes/gays/minorities and are staunch conservatives these days. One of Harper's best maneuvers was flipping over an enormous amount of the immigrant demographic to PC. I'm a member of a community and also work with lots of Persians etc. who are almost universally conservative voters.
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mojo1701a posted:My bias might be that I used to spend half my time with the local Polish community, and all they do is complain about taxes/gays/minorities and are staunch conservatives these days. I have a friend that immigrated from Poland with his parents when he was young. His parents and the entire Polish community in Winnipeg are hardline conservatives that call anyone that doesn't vote Conservative/PC "komunistas".
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May 29, 2018 17:47
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I hate everything about this pipeline so much. Why do we keep doing this to ourselves.
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Helsing posted:It's awesome that even when the market can't build something we still need to privatize it once we build it, for some reason. Icing on the cake. My expectations for Trudeau were so low and he still managed to crawl under them holy gently caress.
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Lurdiak posted:I hate everything about this pipeline so much. Why do we keep doing this to ourselves.  People are idiots who vote based on appearance and soundbites. I mean just LOOK at how progressive this handsome young man is. He's repeatedly said he has a deep commitment to the environment, climate change, and this will be the last FPTP election in Canada!
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Scorchy posted:The 4.5B doesn't cover the cost of construction. It's at least another 7.4B on top of that. Yeah the 4.5B is just for existing assets which apparently there is a list of somewhere. That's basically the government giving Kinder Morgan a handout though because they are not getting 4.5B in assets in return that's for sure.
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Oh god, is this my monkey's paw wish? I've always said that if we're going to do oil and gas it should be nationalised 😐
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May 29, 2018 17:53
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I'm just trying to follow the money here. Like how much is this worth to the Liberals that they're pushing this as some sort of life and death for the party matter? Did KM donate $1,000 to the Trudeau foundation or something? Like, there has to be some upper level of spending where this is no longer worth it the Liberals. 10 billion isn't too much. 50 billion? A trillion? Privatizing and selling the entire country to KM for a $1 lease? I still can't quite figure out how this benefits the Liberals so much that they're pushing so insanely hard on this. Construction kick-backs? Reliable Albertan Federal Liberal voters? Some chinese trade official has a pisstape? I don't get it.
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I would have to imagine the Liberals already have a buyer lined up somewhere that's going to end up making this look like a good deal. Below is the headline in 1 year. A consortium of interests buys under construction pipeline and oil assets for $12b
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Great to see that we don't even need the TPP to force us to indemnify investors from the costs of climate policy; we'll just do it of our own accord.
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