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PT6A posted:How would autopilot deal with construction zones and such? The "lane assist" in my car was freaking out yesterday because of a construction diversion that took us across painted lines (apparently just piling into a bunch of orange cones would be better!) so the thought of trusting autopilot would definitely freak me out. The current version definitely has a habit of barreling right into construction zone markers. Who can say what a working version would do?
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suck my woke dick posted:hot take: tesla autopilot is pointless because there’s no functional difference between driving and having your hands on the wheel ready to drive it does a useful task of selling cars to early adopter idiots and then killing/maiming them so it's not entirely pointless
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May 30, 2018 16:27
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GrandpaPants posted:I'm loathe to post this because derails of people defending this dumb company will be pages long, but it is, unfortunately, very thread relevant (unless self driving cars spun off into its own garbage fire thread): That what you get when you tell the car to play some vintage NWA.
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May 30, 2018 16:50
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suck my woke dick posted:hot take: tesla autopilot is pointless because there’s no functional difference between driving and having your hands on the wheel ready to drive In my mind, its likely to be actively harmful. Peoples' attention may wander because they are not dealing with the minutiae of driving, meaning accidents are more likely. Its the number one reason I don't want to be an early adopter of this. GrandpaPants posted:I'm loathe to post this because derails of people defending this dumb company will be pages long, but it is, unfortunately, very thread relevant (unless self driving cars spun off into its own garbage fire thread): I'm not sure how one can defend this, but I'm sure people will try. Avoiding large stationary objects seems like it'd be the "Hello World" of automated driving.
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May 30, 2018 18:38
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 Can't even get mad at this. I mean, this is the thing that was meant to save online reporting from the ad crash, right? Having it forced by regulators just saves publishers a nasty transition period I really wanted them to endure, but so be it
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May 30, 2018 20:00
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PT6A posted:How would autopilot deal with construction zones and such? Something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2ml6sjk_8c
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May 30, 2018 21:08
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ryde posted:In my mind, its likely to be actively harmful. Peoples' attention may wander because they are not dealing with the minutiae of driving, meaning accidents are more likely. Its the number one reason I don't want to be an early adopter of this.  The moment I turn on self driving mode I will immediately stop paying attention to anything besides my book, phone, or laptop, or I might just go straight to sleep. The self driving mode needs to be designed with a human reaction time measured in minutes (ie the driver waking up or finishing a wank) in mind. e: if the Tesla autopilot wants me to pay attention while it's on it better pay me six figures for the effort like an airline pilot. suck my woke dick fucked around with this message at 21:14 on May 30, 2018 |
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May 30, 2018 21:11
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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It's funny because wanking/road-head would absolutely be the number one use of autonomous mode. Dropping to spot two after autonomous mode is good enough to take drunks home.
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May 30, 2018 21:14
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PT6A posted:It's funny because wanking/road-head would absolutely be the number one use of autonomous mode. this is also going to be an issue if you rely on automated mode to get yourself home from a bar. instant dui
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May 30, 2018 21:15
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boner confessor posted:this is also going to be an issue if you rely on automated mode to get yourself home from a bar. instant dui When full-autonomous mode with no driver supervision is possible and legal, DUI laws will probably be updated to account for it. It seems like an absolutely huge use-case with a big safety benefit.
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May 30, 2018 21:20
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boner confessor posted:this is also going to be an issue if you rely on automated mode to get yourself home from a bar. instant dui When self driving tech gets good it should be legally equivalent to taking an
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May 30, 2018 21:21
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PT6A posted:When full-autonomous mode with no driver supervision is possible and legal, if
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May 30, 2018 21:21
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True. I don't have high hopes that it will be in my lifetime, frankly.
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May 30, 2018 21:22
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Fully autonomous cars are decades away if we ever have them.
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May 30, 2018 21:22
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Unless life and/or the concept of a car ends before then it’s a when. Might not be as soon as the futurists want but it will happen
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May 30, 2018 21:26
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Moatman posted:Unless life and/or the concept of a car ends before then it’s a when. Might not be as soon as the futurists want but it will happen eh, i can see car manufacturers in the 2060s giving up on getting that last 5% of self driving capability when 95% covers pretty much all of the market. like, do we really need to ensure total automated control during a blizzard in north dakota when there's a full moon?
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May 30, 2018 21:29
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boner confessor posted:eh, i can see car manufacturers in the 2060s giving up on getting that last 5% of self driving capability when 95% covers pretty much all of the market. like, do we really need to ensure total automated control during a blizzard in north dakota when there's a full moon? No but "adverse conditions detected, automatic mode not available, please take inbuilt breathalyser test to drive manually" is a perfectly sufficient solution to that problem as far as self-driving goes.
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May 30, 2018 21:31
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suck my woke dick posted:No but "adverse conditions detected, automatic mode not available, please take inbuilt breathalyser test to drive manually" is a perfectly sufficient solution to that problem as far as self-driving goes. i dont want to straddle two arguments here where i was previously talking about how the manufacturers might declare "good enough" before reaching 100% perfect automation in every circumstance but that's different imo from the feasibility of putting interlocks in every vehicle. not every american drinks - only like 10% of americans consume 80% of the booze or something like that. so you'd be pissing off customers by breath testing them every time you have to flip to manual mode. manufacturers would resist that hard on the basis of false positives alone
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May 30, 2018 21:34
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Mr. Nice! posted:Fully autonomous cars are decades away if we ever have them. which is a drat shame because it's literally all the consumer wants and it's frankly what they're advertising? no one wants what they're selling - either your car drives itself and you can look at your phone or you can't and who the gently caress cares. an autopilot that delivers 99.9% safe driving is probably less safe then something like cruise control - (a feature that won't get you anywhere in the same hemisphere as 99.9% safe if you remove the driver) because there's no temptation to chance it so you can look at your phone.
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boner confessor posted:i dont want to straddle two arguments here where i was previously talking about how the manufacturers might declare "good enough" before reaching 100% perfect automation in every circumstance Just because hard-core alcoholics drink most of the booze doesn't mean there aren't a significant number of people who get above the legal limit, or choose not to drive after drinking any amount, on an occasional basis. Another significant problem with allowing for the possibility of a switchover to manual mode if necessary is: oh, great, you've had a sensor failure or encountered adverse weather conditions the system can't handle in the middle of the night halfway home in the middle lane of a highway. What now? If the driver is unable to drive for one reason or another, you are fully hosed. Any system that cannot handle itself 100% of the time must have a licensed driver who's able to drive if necessary to take control.
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May 30, 2018 21:44
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PT6A posted:Just because hard-core alcoholics drink most of the booze doesn't mean there aren't a significant number of people who get above the legal limit, or choose not to drive after drinking any amount, on an occasional basis. ok but even if we include all the people who might have a literal glass of wine with dinner you're still making grandma blow her lungs out into an interlock even when she hasn't had a drop of alcohol since 1987 and there isn't a single car manufacturer who would be happy with making this a mandatory requirement
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May 30, 2018 21:46
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boner confessor posted:i dont want to straddle two arguments here where i was previously talking about how the manufacturers might declare "good enough" before reaching 100% perfect automation in every circumstance Ok maybe the popup should read "adverse conditions detected, press butan to drive manually1 1: manual driving mode use will be logged and may expose driver to additional civil and/or criminal liability".
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May 30, 2018 21:46
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suck my woke dick posted:Ok maybe the popup should read "adverse conditions detected, press butan to drive manually1 1: manual driving mode use will be logged and may expose driver to additional civil and/or criminal liability". sure but then we're back to the instant DUI scenario and if that's the case people are just going to drive in manual mode anyway (until we get cars where your insurance company logs everything naturally)
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May 30, 2018 21:47
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Samuel L. ACKSYN posted:Something like this oh what a coincidence, that barrier is yellow.
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May 30, 2018 21:50
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boner confessor posted:(until we get cars where your insurance company logs everything naturally) Uhhh tracking user inputs and whether self driving mode is on is a way easier problem to solve than reliable self driving, and I'd 100% buy a car that does this so I can get it to drive me home legally while smashed (if a sudden snowstorm is too much for the self driving mode to handle I'll just press butan to have the thing putter to the roadside and park itself at 4km/h before automatically calling for a tow).
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May 30, 2018 21:53
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suck my woke dick posted:Uhhh tracking user inputs and whether self driving mode is on is a way easier problem to solve than reliable self driving, i think the conversation is getting muddled i'm saying that drunks would chance it in manual mode if there was a likelihood that switching from auto->manual would increase the amount of scrutiny on their drunk driving i'm also separately saying that it's likely that cars in the future will automatically log driving habits and behavior on behalf of your insurer, which is also going to mess with drunks
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May 30, 2018 21:55
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boner confessor posted:i think the conversation is getting muddled Ok. Drunk driver gets in self driving car, presses "go home" butan. A sudden snowstorm appears. a) Drunk driver presses butan to putter to roadside and call for a tow/driver service. Insurance remains happy, no DUI has occured, sky does not fall. b) Drunk driver presses other butan to drive manual. Cops pull obviously drunk driver over, drunk driver loses licence over DUI, nothing has changed from pre-self driving driving.
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May 30, 2018 21:58
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Freakazoid_ posted:oh what a coincidence, that barrier is yellow. Actually  , you will see that Teslas are perfectly able to handle the presence of yellow objects, as evidenced by these five gifs of Teslas having yellow turn signal lights.
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May 30, 2018 22:02
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Mr. Nice! posted:Fully autonomous cars are decades away if we ever have them. Fully autonomous cars will most likely be available for public taxi use in multiple US metros within 5 years. Who knows if they'll be a fad that dies out or if they'll ever be sold to individuals, which is a huge distinction. There's a massive gap between "can call an auto-cab in Phoenix in 2020" and "auto-car where I can sleep as I drive to Burning Man."
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May 30, 2018 22:03
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Possibly, but on the other hand have you considered the multiple instances of these test cars driving themselves into easily-avoided obstacles? I think 2020, even on a limited basis, is a forecast so optimistic it borders on outright fantasy.
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May 30, 2018 22:05
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Yeah but 2030? I'd have to think it would be possible. Assuming we're alive still, of course.
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May 30, 2018 22:07
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We're not 5 years away from fully autonomous cars because we have nothing even close to approaching human cognition and problem solving from an AI standpoint. Any "self-driving" test car has been running extremely pre-defined routes with fully downloaded and integrated maps and even still the only way they can stop it from braking every 5 seconds is to hardcode out most obstacle detections. Self driving cars are a pipedream.
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May 30, 2018 22:09
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PT6A posted:Possibly, but on the other hand have you considered the multiple instances of these test cars driving themselves into easily-avoided obstacles? I think 2020, even on a limited basis, is a forecast so optimistic it borders on outright fantasy. Uber and Tesla aren't really in the same playing field as Waymo, Cruise, Daimler, Ford or VW. Uber and Tesla are pretty perfect examples of "how to gently caress this up" so they certainly run the risk of regulatory pressure (gently caress it up for everyone)...but I doubt it in this political environment. I certainly think companies will miss their goals, which is why I hedge at 5 years. But the companies are planning more aggressively than that: Waymo is 2018, Cruise is 2019, Daimler is 2020, Ford is 2021.
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VW hasn't figured out how to make a blind-spot detection system that can handle a dual-lane exit, I think it's pretty safe to say full autonomy is more than 5 years out.
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May 30, 2018 22:15
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Mr. Nice! posted:We're not 5 years away from fully autonomous cars because we have nothing even close to approaching human cognition and problem solving from an AI standpoint. Any "self-driving" test car has been running extremely pre-defined routes with fully downloaded and integrated maps and even still the only way they can stop it from braking every 5 seconds is to hardcode out most obstacle detections. Self driving cars are a pipedream. You're behind the times, many of the companies have moved passed purely pre-defined routes, and I don't think Waymo or Cruise hardcodes any of their obstacles. Certainly they'll be limited to mapped roads, but mapping major metros could quickly cover a large chunk of existing taxi traffic. I think the closed course testing is a huge advantage to actually developing effective self-driving car, since they can actually throw dummies in front of the cars until the cars hit the dummies and then develop better responses. It seems like such a basic step, it amazes me that so few companies actually do it. PT6A posted:VW hasn't figured out how to make a blind-spot detection system that can handle a dual-lane exit, I think it's pretty safe to say full autonomy is more than 5 years out. That's really an unrelated point, since no one except the idiots at Tesla are talking about doing autonomous with existing vehicle sensor hardware.
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Like for example, Waymo announced they're launching a pay-for service in the Phoenix metro later this year: https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/waymo-self-driving-car-service-launch-this-year-phoenix/ Now sure, they'll probably slip to 2019, but it seems less likely they'll slip to 2030 after getting this far.
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May 30, 2018 22:21
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really the question in my mind is which point comes first in time: a credible manufacturer releases an autonomous driving system that works more often than it fails, or a critical mass of the consuming public is turned off from the technology because of too many visible failures from noncredible manufacturers and system developers that poison the well
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oh i remembered that i intended to post this article itt https://atlanta.curbed.com/2018/5/11/17343934/amazon-homebuilder-introduce-an-entire-alexa-driven-community-north-of-atlanta
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May 30, 2018 22:25
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boner confessor posted:oh i remembered that i intended to post this article itt lol those are going to be like those houses with old rear end broken intercoms that never worked except maybe to shriek loudly into all rooms if someone pressed a button.
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Trabisnikof posted:lol those are going to be like those houses with old rear end broken intercoms that never worked except maybe to shriek loudly into all rooms if someone pressed a button. i lived in a two bedroom apartment that had one of those. a heavy duty rear end 70's wall mounted intercom with toggles and everything. in an apartment so small we didn't even have a baby monitor. i dont even know where it would have communicated to
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