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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/intifadarling/status/1001620804910698498?s=21

https://twitter.com/intifadarling/status/1001620823331962880?s=21

https://twitter.com/intifadarling/status/1001620832949596160?s=21

https://twitter.com/intifadarling/status/1001620838272176133?s=21

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i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Babbys first suicide bombing

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010


Harsh but fair

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
https://twitter.com/nookyelur/status/1001547193239519233

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




some knesset member said she wants to occupy gaza and de-hamasify it lol

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010


:tif:

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008


https://twitter.com/WildFTracks/status/1001597844141301760

"they are literally calling for genocide on the air"

"well that could mean anything, probably genocide but maybe something else???"

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
lmao

https://twitter.com/WildFTracks/status/1001602725765963776

Yinlock
Oct 22, 2008

first let's examine the word "genocide" (1/427)

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
has anyone in the Israeli government used “final solution” yet?

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


ate poo poo on live tv posted:

has anyone in the Israeli government used “final solution” yet?

might as well, they've been doing the lebensraum thing for decades

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
gently caress off justin you oval office

https://twitter.com/cafreeland/status/1001523976835919873

https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/1001631577363959809

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

ate poo poo on live tv posted:

has anyone in the Israeli government used “final solution” yet?

probably not in the government, no - they don't want all the Palestinians gone, because then Bibi won't have anyone to bomb the next time his approval rating takes a hit

wouldn't be surprised if it was being used by far-right groups outside the government, though. the fact that the Gaza wars and invasions never resulted in any real change to the status quo hasn't completely escaped public notice in Israel

ate shit on live tv
Feb 15, 2004

by Azathoth
I remember a few years ago someone pretty high up used "Shoah" when referring to what Israel was doing to the West Bank, I thought that was pretty on-the-nose, so it's surprising they haven't just dropped the pretense yet.

e: it was Deputy Defense Minister Matan Vilnai.

quote:

“The more Qassam fire intensifies and the rockets reach a longer range, [the Palestinians] will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah because we will use all our might to defend ourselves,” Vilnai told Army Radio on Friday.

ate shit on live tv has issued a correction as of 15:52 on May 30, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Death to Canada

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Death to Canada

i don't like :d2a:

the code itself is unpleasant; i need a :dta: and :dti: before i feel okay with this

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

quote:

“The recent attacks out of Gaza are the largest we have seen since 2014,” said the American ambassador to the United Nations, Nikki R. Haley. “Mortars fired by Palestinian militants hit civilian infrastructure, including a kindergarten. The Security Council should be outraged and respond to this latest bout of violence directed at innocent Israeli civilians, and the Palestinian leadership needs to be held accountable for what they’re allowing to happen in Gaza.”

Gaza has every right to defend itself.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

lmao at this cherry picked translation. The word he used means "Terminate".

Segata Sanshiro
Sep 10, 2011

we can live for nothing
baby i don't care

lose me like the ocean
feel the motion

:coolfish:

shakira rules

dti

stay safe gaza ghost

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/DavidKlion/status/1001846953112690688

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010
time for a bit of a gear change: i feel like talkin about get refusal

I've mentioned this before, but there is no secular civil marriage in Israel. only religious marriages performed by state-recognized religious organizations are recognized as marriages in Israel. and not all religious dominations have official state-recognized organizations in Israel.

the important part for this subject is that only one Jewish denomination is officially recognized by Israel: Orthodox Judaism, as interpreted by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate. if you're a Reform Jew, you literally can't get married in Israel unless you get an official Orthodox conversion carried out by a Rabbinate-approved Orthodox rabbi, and then hold an observant Orthodox ceremony which rigidly follows Orthodox rules and requirements. the rabbinate is pretty strict, so you can't really fudge it

okay, so that was all backstory. now we come to the problem: since Israel doesn't have civil marriage, it doesn't have civil divorce either. in Orthodox Judaism, only the husband can initiate a divorce (by providing a divorce document known as a "get"). there is no other way to terminate a properly-performed strictly Orthodox marriage, so according to Orthodox Jewish law, it is literally impossible to end the marriage without the husband's active cooperation. in other words, a husband who is inclined to do so can forcibly keep a woman in a marriage against her will, whether to demand favorable divorce conditions or just to torment her. in most countries, this doesn't matter as much because they have their own civil divorce processes where the legal marriage can be terminated regardless of religious status, but Israel doesn't have that, so the religious conditions essentially have legal force

a woman who's stuck in this situation can petition her case to a rabbinical court to ask them to order the husband to grant divorce, but the rabbinical authorities can't actually terminate the marriage either. they can't even really push the husband too hard, since Orthodox law dictates that forcing the man to offer a divorce invalidates that divorce. all they can do is call down social pressure by publicly declaring the husband to be a big jerk who other Orthodox Jews should avoid and be mean to. However, others are under no obligation to obey those public-shaming rulings, so they're a poor substitute for actual divorce, as shown when a MK recently invited someone under a public-shaming ruling to the Knesset.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mk-invites-divorce-refuser-to-knesset-female-lawmakers-boycott-his-speech/

quote:

Ten female Knesset lawmakers boycotted a speech given in the plenum by Likud MK Yehudah Glick on Monday to protest his having invited to the Knesset a man reviled by the religious courts earlier this month for refusing to grant his wife a divorce.

Yaron Atias, 39, originally from the coastal town of Ashdod, has for the past two years withheld a get — the Hebrew term for a divorce document, which under Jewish religious law a husband must provide his wife when a marriage is dissolved.

In a step it rarely takes, a district rabbinical court in the northern city of Haifa permitted his photograph and various details to be made public and called on the public to ostracize him in order to pressure him to grant the divorce sought by his wife, Mazal, who is currently living with her children in the north of Israel.

Specifically, the court ruled people should not talk to him or do business with him, not host him, not visit him when he is sick, not grant him a public role in synagogue, not pray for him if he dies, not show him any respect, and stay away from him as much as possible.

in Israel, the rabbinical courts do have a little extra recourse: despite being purely religious entities with no relation to the actual judicial system, they have the legal authority to jail people who refuse to comply with certain rabbinical court rulings, such as divorce rulings. even that, though, isn't a substitute for actual divorce. just ask Zvia Gordesky, who's been waiting for divorce for 17 years

https://www.timesofisrael.com/refused-a-divorce-for-17-years-hunger-striker-takes-fight-to-knesset/

quote:

Gordetsky first asked for a divorce “because of a tragic incident of domestic violence” in which she lost a baby, days before she was due to give birth.

After hearing her account and the testimony of her husband, a rabbinical court ordered him to give her a divorce within 30 days or face a prison sentence, she said.

He showed up to the hearing with a bag packed for jail, she said.

Imprisoned ever since, including a stint in solitary confinement, Gordetsky’s husband recently had his phylacteries confiscated, under a new law aimed at further pressuring incarcerated recalcitrant husbands with religious sanctions.

Last Wednesday, Gordetsky parked herself outside of the Knesset in protest of her agunah or “chained” status, under which she may not remarry in Israel, where religious courts have final say on matters of personal status.

The rabbinate, which she described as supportive of her case, imposed all the sanctions at its disposal, she said. “But it didn’t resolve the problem.”

...

Every six months for 17 years, Gordetsky’s husband is summoned for a hearing by the rabbinical courts to demand he issue the divorce. According to the agunah, he repeats that the authorities “won’t break me.”

For 17 years, she sought out rabbis for Jewish legal loopholes. “Their final answer was that the man gives the get,” she said.

Hedenius
Aug 23, 2007
Damaging a kindergarten: horrific and unforgivable!

Murdering a bunch of kindergarteners: defending a border that is not a border but also a border and they’re terrorists!

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Main Paineframe posted:

time for a bit of a gear change: i feel like talkin about get refusal

I've mentioned this before, but there is no secular civil marriage in Israel. only religious marriages performed by state-recognized religious organizations are recognized as marriages in Israel. and not all religious dominations have official state-recognized organizations in Israel.

the important part for this subject is that only one Jewish denomination is officially recognized by Israel: Orthodox Judaism, as interpreted by the Israeli Chief Rabbinate. if you're a Reform Jew, you literally can't get married in Israel unless you get an official Orthodox conversion carried out by a Rabbinate-approved Orthodox rabbi, and then hold an observant Orthodox ceremony which rigidly follows Orthodox rules and requirements. the rabbinate is pretty strict, so you can't really fudge it

okay, so that was all backstory. now we come to the problem: since Israel doesn't have civil marriage, it doesn't have civil divorce either. in Orthodox Judaism, only the husband can initiate a divorce (by providing a divorce document known as a "get"). there is no other way to terminate a properly-performed strictly Orthodox marriage, so according to Orthodox Jewish law, it is literally impossible to end the marriage without the husband's active cooperation. in other words, a husband who is inclined to do so can forcibly keep a woman in a marriage against her will, whether to demand favorable divorce conditions or just to torment her. in most countries, this doesn't matter as much because they have their own civil divorce processes where the legal marriage can be terminated regardless of religious status, but Israel doesn't have that, so the religious conditions essentially have legal force

a woman who's stuck in this situation can petition her case to a rabbinical court to ask them to order the husband to grant divorce, but the rabbinical authorities can't actually terminate the marriage either. they can't even really push the husband too hard, since Orthodox law dictates that forcing the man to offer a divorce invalidates that divorce. all they can do is call down social pressure by publicly declaring the husband to be a big jerk who other Orthodox Jews should avoid and be mean to. However, others are under no obligation to obey those public-shaming rulings, so they're a poor substitute for actual divorce, as shown when a MK recently invited someone under a public-shaming ruling to the Knesset.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/mk-invites-divorce-refuser-to-knesset-female-lawmakers-boycott-his-speech/


in Israel, the rabbinical courts do have a little extra recourse: despite being purely religious entities with no relation to the actual judicial system, they have the legal authority to jail people who refuse to comply with certain rabbinical court rulings, such as divorce rulings. even that, though, isn't a substitute for actual divorce. just ask Zvia Gordesky, who's been waiting for divorce for 17 years

https://www.timesofisrael.com/refused-a-divorce-for-17-years-hunger-striker-takes-fight-to-knesset/

lmao at the dude who beat his wife to late term miscarriage but only did time for contempt of religious court

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Hedenius posted:

Damaging a kindergarten: horrific and unforgivable!

Murdering a bunch of kindergarteners: defending a border that is not a border but also a border and they’re terrorists!

looking forward to the hot nyt thinkpieces about the regrettable destruction of property

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

what kind of monsters would almost hurt a child in that general area with indirect fire weapons?

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




Pener Kropoopkin posted:

what kind of monsters would almost hurt a child in that general area with indirect fire weapons?

no but you see israel isnt using its kids to protest war crimes thereby making them fair targets for killing. they are merely peaceably raising them to become soldiers with loose ROE and no oversight

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014

can’t believe hamas would just put their homes and kids right in front of those Israeli bombs smh

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

despicable of the israelis to hide behind women and children

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Israelis are cowards who hide behind the jungle gym. They have no choice but to let a stray rocket land in the playground.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.

Main Paineframe posted:

: since Israel doesn't have civil marriage, it doesn't have civil divorce either.

This isn't really accurate. There is civil divorce in Israel. As far as I understand, the way it works is most secular Israelis just marry abroad to bypass the Rabinnate and have that marriage be recognized in Israel. In that case, if the couple wants to divorce, they can use the regular civil process. Moreover, even couples that were married religiously inside Israel can use the civil divorce process, as long as one of them files an application for civil divorce before a religious court gets involved. In that case, the "get" stuff only comes into play if you want to get remarried in Israel - obviously the Rabbinate won't let a woman remarry without first obtaining a "get" from her previous husband.

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

AFancyQuestionMark posted:

This isn't really accurate. There is civil divorce in Israel. As far as I understand, the way it works is most secular Israelis just marry abroad to bypass the Rabinnate and have that marriage be recognized in Israel. In that case, if the couple wants to divorce, they can use the regular civil process. Moreover, even couples that were married religiously inside Israel can use the civil divorce process, as long as one of them files an application for civil divorce before a religious court gets involved. In that case, the "get" stuff only comes into play if you want to get remarried in Israel - obviously the Rabbinate won't let a woman remarry without first obtaining a "get" from her previous husband.

Not exactly, most secular israelis still marry through the rabinnate, the ones who go abroad to get marry are mostly the ones who can't because they don't have enough proof of their jewish roots or mixed couples where only one of them is jewish.

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
You are probably right. The civil divorce stuff was my main point there.

RaySmuckles
Oct 14, 2009


:vapes:
Grimey Drawer
this stuff all sounds like stuff a normal "1st world" country would do

bastion of western ideals

AFancyQuestionMark
Feb 19, 2017

Long time no see.
Yep. And with the growing Haredi percentage of the population, this stuff is probaby going to get even worse in the future.

Willie Tomg
Feb 2, 2006

Aliquid posted:

Babbys first suicide bombing

remember when FOX tried to brand them "homicide bombing" in '03-'04?


that was cute

qkkl
Jul 1, 2013

by FactsAreUseless
does marriage in israel confer rights that civil unions don't? if not i don't see a problem, if you're not religious you can still get the rights.

paul_soccer10
Mar 28, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

death to justin

Real hurthling!
Sep 11, 2001




bloomberg reporting that trump will officially recognize the golan as israeli territory at some point in the first term.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Decades of the UN security council refusing to recognize annexations to keep all national borders static, and Trump is going to throw it out the window because Israelis have been so thankful.

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ded redd
Aug 1, 2010

by Fluffdaddy

Real hurthling! posted:

bloomberg reporting that trump will officially recognize the golan as israeli territory at some point in the first term.

what wait a minute what is this

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