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Sagebrush posted:well of course the flip side of jury nullification is a malicious jury. supposedly a judge can overrule an unreasonable guilty verdict but, well, let's open our textbooks to "Alabama" and founding loving father for those who pretend those guys are still relevant B. Frank posted:it is better 100 guilty Persons should escape than that one innocent Person should suffer
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Sagebrush posted:well of course the flip side of jury nullification is a malicious jury. supposedly a judge can overrule an unreasonable guilty verdict but, well, let's open our textbooks to "Alabama" and pls don't even mistake what I'm saying into "all jury nullifications are good" there's the form of jury nullification where the jury interprets a criminal statute, appending ", except if they are a cop". the form of jury nullification that people like to hold out as Morally Good is when a bunch of jurors agree that the law under which the accused is charged is bullshit, ergo no conviction even if the facts prove beyond a reasonable doubt
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prisoner of waffles posted:the form of jury nullification that people like to hold out as Morally Good is when a bunch of jurors agree that the law under which the accused is charged is bullshit because they are a cop, ergo no conviction even if the facts prove beyond a reasonable doubt Sadly, this is literally the median state of moral cognition in America. Take a jury if you're guilty, a bench if you're innocent.
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pretty sure there is no jury that actually believes the law against murder is bullshit though I'm pretty sure that jury has a pretty good chance in the mad max future juries that want to let cops off can usually claim a 'reasonable doubt' and That's Different
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are you allowed to lie when they ask you those questions during selection?
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bump_fn posted:are you allowed to lie when they ask you those questions during selection? No, you’re generally under oath. Doesn’t stop anyone, of course. Though I have seen a judge throw someone in jail for a night for contempt of court when it was really obvious.
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bump_fn posted:are you allowed to lie when they ask you those questions during selection? well i mean you can do whatever you want but lying under oath is perjury. also you're up there being questioned by two lawyers and a judge who probably speak to thousands of potential jurors a year and whose entire daily business is to find the truth and catch people in lies and trick you into giving yourself away so good luck. on a prior jury summons i saw one guy tried to claim that he didn't speak english. asian guy and he was forcing a heavy chinese accent and speaking really slowly. he went up to the judge and it went like this: "mr. whatever, you've written here that you don't speak english?" "...yes" "what do you do for a living?" "i....what...." "what's your job?" "i...drive bus" "oh you do. you drive a bus. big bus?" "yes...big bus..." "like a city bus?" "yes...for city" "you have to get some kind of special driver's license for that? commercial license?" "i...license...." "you're saying you don't speak enough english to understand our conversation but you passed the DMV's commercial licensing tests." (silence) "don't pull this bullshit on me. petition denied. see you tomorrow." took about 30 seconds Sagebrush fucked around with this message at 18:02 on May 31, 2018 |
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Sagebrush posted:it is a fucky system but i admit that it is better than pretty much any other alternative. having one group make the law, another group determine guilt, and a third set the sentence gives you a lot of checks and balances. the separation of powers is entirely orthogonal to the problems in american "justice"
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May 31, 2018 18:02
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this thread is reminding me I should condition my horween vans
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im the fat nerds giving fashion advice
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Anal Del Raytheon posted:im the fat nerds giving fashion advice epic sockpuppetry
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Anal Del Raytheon posted:im the fat nerds giving fashion advice turn your monitor on
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President Beep posted:epic shoepuppetry
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prisoner of waffles posted:pls don't even mistake what I'm saying into "all jury nullifications are good" https://twitter.com/pgourevitch/status/1002036067082670080?s=21
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this thread also reminded me to check if blackv club was still in business but it appears they are not
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qirex posted:this thread also reminded me to check if blackv club was still in business but it appears they are not That reminds me, I should get some t-shirts. I don't have any.
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in maine voir dire is done shotgun style. they pack the 200 summoned potential jurors into the courtroom and the judge asks a handful of the most common questions (are u family of a cop? are u family of the accused? do u hate cops? do you hate $RaceOfTheAccused? etc...) and then at the end theres a "Is there any other reason you shouldn't be considered?" no personal interviews or anything.
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every night before i go to bed i get on my shoe app, upload tomorrow's outfit and the appropriate shoes are waiting out by my door the next morning. I pay an extra $2 per month to get nicer shoes, and it's reall- nm they went bankrupt while i was typing this
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yosposters getting roasted itt https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3819910&perpage=40&pagenumber=135#pti11
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I had grand jury duty recently and god drat the authoritarian fucks that made up the rest of the jury really pissed me off. They all just wanted to send every single thing to trial. Then in the last day we got shown a murder and it hosed everyone up
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qirex posted:this thread is reminding me I should condition my horween vans do they make those in any natural colors or can you still only get them in the crayon ones
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Anal Del Raytheon posted:yosposters getting roasted itt mods know what's up Jose posted:i followed that link and it appears to be 2 posters melting down that other people get paid well and dress lazy as gently caress
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Sagebrush posted:Yea I mean would he even be able to see out of the jury box? graph posted:t-tori parachute ?!?
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:do they make those in any natural colors or can you still only get them in the crayon ones
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:no one who posts in yospos actually thinks we are helping the world I kind of do, our product extends the usable lifetime of eNodeBs before they have to be replaced or upgraded. Hooray for making things more efficient and reducing waste.
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jeans + dress shoes is gross
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Trabandiumium posted:that whole shoe derail is guillotine worthy when the revolution comes, all of yospos is against the wall
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my good posting will save me
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I will definitely be in trouble after the revolution as a class traitor but I'll be pretty far down the list so I might have time to escape
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my ability to return to my working class accent and roots will save me
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just by the by i was not insisting real shoes are a requirement at all workplaces, just at many workplaces. it doesn't matter whether you like them, dislike them, or have no feelings at all, the requirements will be the same you gotta stop thinking of clothes as a means of personal expression, and instead think of them as a uniform that identifies who the conformist fucks are if my boss wore clown shoes, a fright wig, and a literal red loving nose to work, so would i
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*chained to a wall* if I die who's going to help you make a user friendly system for generating purge reports? you need me.
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H.P. Hovercraft posted:my good posting will save me same, but my bad posting, as people will take pity on me
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it's class signalling and trying to deny it just makes you sound poor
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i'm the guy that wears what are basically more expensive umbros and tshirts and hippie shoes to work, at least in the summer 
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i wear a faberge barrel. really confuses people as to my socioeconomic standing. 
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i wear a one piece grey unitard every day, same as all the other computer touchers in sector five
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i have the objectively best jury duty story - i got called up to do it at the old bailey (the central criminal court, which takes all the juiciest cases from all over the country). they had a lot of jurors coming in the same day as me so instead of doing the briefing in one of the small courts they put us all in number 1 court - i ended up sitting in one of the press benches. as more and more people came in the staff started looking worried and whispering, and eventually every single seat (including the judges bench) was full and they still needed more space. then the head juror-wrangler or whatever silly title they give them stood up and said "we still have about ten more people to come in, but there are no more seats - we really hate to do this but is anyone willing to volunteer to sit in the dock?" i swear i almost dislocated my shoulder my hand went up so quick, so i got to sit in the main defendant's chair in the dock (there's actually like four benches in there, it sits a dozen people pretty easily) and fight every urge in my body to scream "YOU'VE GOT NOTHING, I AINT GOING DOWN FOR THIS YOU SLAAAAAGS". then they discharged me and a bunch of other because a bunch of people pleaded guilty at the very last minute so i got the rest of the day off and still got paid for it, so yay. it also counts as me completing jury service so i can tell them to get hosed for the next five years if my name comes up again.
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