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Speaking as an engineer who's worked in product liability stuff in the past, and currently works in product R&D... of course there was FEA done, and hopefully a bunch of other testing. But there's a lot of conventionally designed stuff that has gone through FEA and testing only to fail in ways that the original designers didn't expect later on, and plastics get to adding a whooooooole bunch of reliance on your supply chain being spot on, all the time. I'm sure it was conceived with the best of intentions, but man, no.
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It might have passed all the tests but I maintain it's a horrible idea until we have samples that have survived 8 years of slushy and salty roads. And 100 degree temperature swings.
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May 30, 2018 18:25
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i mean dont get me wrong gently caress tesla and musk too, but it's easy to nitpick stuff like this from the internet.
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May 30, 2018 19:23
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xzzy posted:It's good that manufacturers are finally admitting the salt belt exists and putting more plastic into critical structural elements. Yet everyone bitches about the MK7 having a composite oil pan
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May 30, 2018 19:26
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:I mean, all you gotta say is "Tesla panel gap" or "touchscreen" or "GLOSSY BLACK PLASTIC WHERE FEET GO" and the fun starts right back up I thought the link said a 15% reduction from stamped steel, not aluminum.
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May 30, 2018 19:35
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xzzy posted:It might have passed all the tests but I maintain it's a horrible idea until we have samples that have survived 8 years of slushy and salty roads. So we just have to see how many Models 3 survive eight years in a world filled with concrete blocks, tractor-trailers, cop cars, and fire trucks.
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May 30, 2018 19:41
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BlackMK4 posted:Yet everyone bitches about the MK7 having a composite oil pan i really dont see the problem with it, but VW guys are known for lowering too much and destroying their cars to look "cool" soooo
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May 30, 2018 19:43
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poo poo, you're right.
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May 30, 2018 19:46
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I remember everyone bellyaching over composite intake manifolds too.
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May 30, 2018 19:51
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Something, something, composite leaf springs
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May 30, 2018 19:52
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I'm glad we got plastic dashes though. gently caress that vinyl foam poo poo they used in the 80's.
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May 30, 2018 19:54
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Metal Geir Skogul posted:I mean, all you gotta say is "Tesla panel gap" or "touchscreen" or "GLOSSY BLACK PLASTIC WHERE FEET GO" and the fun starts right back up Ah, that's a bit more un-scary. xzzy posted:I'm glad we got plastic dashes though. gently caress that vinyl foam poo poo they used in the 80's. poo poo was nice when it was new, soft and flexible, but man, if you didn't take care of that vinyl... boom! Grand Canyon.
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May 30, 2018 20:01
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BraveUlysses posted:i mean dont get me wrong gently caress tesla and musk too, but it's easy to nitpick stuff like this from the internet. Sure, sure. I'm just literally looking at test parts sitting on my desk relating to converting one part from an engineered plastic to aluminum because we're sick of trying to get plastic suppliers to turn in a quality parts consistently and, well, it's hard to not have that make you wonder.
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May 30, 2018 20:01
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mekilljoydammit posted:Sure, sure. I'm just literally looking at test parts sitting on my desk relating to converting one part from an engineered plastic to aluminum because we're sick of trying to get plastic suppliers to turn in a quality parts consistently and, well, it's hard to not have that make you wonder. I went to CMM programming training with a guy who has to measure plastics. Trying to hold a tolerance with plastic other stuff like virgin peak seemed like a losing battle, especially with sinks and all the other molding problems plastic is prone to. Isn't plastic covering metal one of the reasons chrome clad wheels on Dodges rot even faster than straight steelies?
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May 30, 2018 20:49
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bull3964 posted:I remember everyone bellyaching over composite intake manifolds too. IIRC, a lot of the early composite manifolds had obnoxious failure rates. Much like the CVT, the tech has matured quite a bit, but the bellyaching was justified until ~2010
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May 30, 2018 21:25
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The Door Frame posted:IIRC, a lot of the early composite manifolds had obnoxious failure rates. Much like the CVT, the tech has matured quite a bit, but the bellyaching was justified until ~2010 Yup, its common with the VW ones at least for the composite to fail and the intake manifold flaps to jam open or shut. The major advantage to composite manifolds is you can rush out rapid updated manifolds to solve the issue.
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May 30, 2018 21:33
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BloodBag posted:I went to CMM programming training with a guy who has to measure plastics. Trying to hold a tolerance with plastic other stuff like virgin peak seemed like a losing battle, especially with sinks and all the other molding problems plastic is prone to. And then the fuckers lie to you - they up the amount of regrind or reduce the amount of reinforcement and dare you to catch them. Or they get undercut by another supplier, purchasing goes with them, and then after the design for the new supplier gets validated, after a year's worth of parts they start upping the amount of regrind or reducing the amount of reinforcement and daring you to catch them.
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May 30, 2018 22:06
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mekilljoydammit posted:And then the fuckers lie to you - they up the amount of regrind or reduce the amount of reinforcement and dare you to catch them. Or they get undercut by another supplier, purchasing goes with them, and then after the design for the new supplier gets validated, after a year's worth of parts they start upping the amount of regrind or reducing the amount of reinforcement and daring you to catch them. Sounds worse than food QA.
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May 31, 2018 00:26
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I hope SpaceX fails so the 1% are stuck here with the rest of us when poo poo breaks bad. 
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May 31, 2018 06:53
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It's still so many hundreds of times simpler to live on a polluted hellscape Earth than a sterile space station or moon base. Basically, the only way that living off-world is better, would be if the environment was so far gone that you couldn't breath the air.
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May 31, 2018 12:53
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Previa_fun posted:I hope SpaceX fails so the 1% are stuck here with the rest of us when poo poo breaks bad. On the upside, even if they did make it to space, their life expectancy would end up going to poo poo.
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May 31, 2018 18:02
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:On the upside, even if they did make it to space, their life expectancy would end up going to poo poo. Especially since space has no tolerance for stupidity, and doesn't give a poo poo how much money you have.
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May 31, 2018 19:02
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In a final "gently caress you" all the 1% leave earth and die in horrible ways but leave all their inheritance to their corporate entities back on planet CannibalCancer.
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May 31, 2018 19:07
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Humans haven't even figured out what a balanced diet is, opinion changes every ten years about what will and what won't kill us. And the rich folks are talking about colonizing mars? That Matt Damon movie was the absolute best case scenario, it's far more likely we spend a hundred years sending people to a horrible death before we start to figure things out.
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May 31, 2018 19:16
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mekilljoydammit posted:I am so afraid that going all in on Tesla is going to end up killing Space X. if it makes you feel any better, elon musk has essentially nothing to do with SpaceX's success they get their money from NASA contracts and use NASA launch facilities and this guy is their actual rocket scientist who leads the actual engineering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mueller ol' musky is essentially a spacex hype man
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May 31, 2018 19:29
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Sagebrush posted:if it makes you feel any better, elon musk has essentially nothing to do with SpaceX's success I mean it does, but I'm more worried about financial shenanigans being pulled - cannibalizing the working business's operating funds to keep the other one going, kinda thing.
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May 31, 2018 19:41
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xzzy posted:Humans haven't even figured out what a balanced diet is, opinion changes every ten years about what will and what won't kill us. Rich people have to believe in some dumb poo poo to justify the damage they're doing to people/the planet. Some believe humans can escsape once the planet is a flaming husk, others believe we're living in a simulation so the people they refuse to pay a living wage aren't actually people. In conclusion, eat the rich.
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May 31, 2018 19:56
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Weird derail.
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May 31, 2018 20:03
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Adiabatic posted:Weird derail. It's us, we are the horrible mechanical failures. Also, whatever this guy is driving. https://i.imgur.com/p7E3xgW.mp4
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May 31, 2018 20:06
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Adiabatic posted:Weird derail. Trying to live in space is a mechanical failure waiting to happen, predicting the failures is half the fun!
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May 31, 2018 20:19
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Lol Looks like a Porsche headlight
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May 31, 2018 20:24
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Powershift posted:It's us, we are the horrible mechanical failures. HELLO, HAVE YOU HEARD THE GOOD WORD OF OUR LORD AND SAVIOR?
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May 31, 2018 20:38
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I HAVE SEEN THE LIGHT!
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May 31, 2018 20:39
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Headlights falling out? It's got to be a Porsche. Macan would be my guess  I guess they never bothered to redesign the headlamp mounting. They kinda just slide in and have a latching arm that you manually turn with a long specialized key, can be a bit of a bitch to latch correctly, and apparently made it very easy to steal the lights from various generations of Cayenne, whatever the big SUV is spelled.
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May 31, 2018 20:42
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I love it. The ultimate mechanical failure bait-and-switch, in GIF form.
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May 31, 2018 20:42
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Bajaha posted:Headlights falling out? It's got to be a Porsche. Oh yeah, just saw a GIF on another thread (Eastern Europe.gifv probably) where a guy demonstrated removing those exact lights with a kebab skewer.
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May 31, 2018 20:42
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Aren't porsche headlights stolen super frequently or something?
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May 31, 2018 20:48
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They are! Due to the relative ease and speed of stealing them due to not necessitating opening the hood, high value / quality, and apparently being a decent grow light for your other enterprise.
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May 31, 2018 20:53
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Also, the fact that they're stolen so much while being easy to install means there's always a market of people who want cheap don't-care-where-you-got-it replacements, which encourages more people to steal them, which increases the demand, in a glorious self-perpetuating cycle.
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Pressure washer slowed down, sparked and stopped, 240v karcher. Step one, take it apart and giggle at how little the actually is in here. Then notice the carbon and copper chips...  Looks like the commutator poo poo the bed, brushes lasted about 5 seconds after that. It would technically still run if I put new brushes in, for about 5 seconds before it ate them too. This cost me £45 I think, 2 years ago. New motor is about £45, do the math.
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