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Willa Rogers posted:When your state has an open Senate seat and the governor calls, you'd be stupid to make racist remarks about the "good blacks" vs. the "bad blacks" given chicago's demographics + weight in state elections. I'm definitely lost now. Perhaps we're hearing different ads? The one I heard was:  Madigan wants to cut me a deal; thoughts? idk take it You a lawyer? Duh I'll need a new AG Interesting You sure you're picking up what I'm putting down? InterestingIf there was anything like that in there, somehow I'd missed it. For what it's worth, I'm the downstate hick that Rauner wants to appeal too, but I'm too young for that poo poo I guess. Now that I type that out, I feel like I really need to move.
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My Imaginary GF posted:When your state has an open Senate seat and the governor calls, you'd be stupid not to take it, even if you suspect that the Feds are listening in. holy poo poo you're back anyways you know as well as everyone that jb knew full well blago wanted a bribe for the appointment and was playing along on the phone to keep blago happy without actually directly saying anything also the black stuff was back during the primary when it mattered, after which JB had all his supporters say they forgave him for saying Emil was uppity (the word crass was used because again, coded language) emil jones posted:Pritzker showed his “true colors” when he told Rod Blagojevich in a secretly recorded conversation that Jones was too “crass” to fill Barack Obama’s Senate seat, Jones said Tuesday.
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Zarin posted:I'm definitely lost now. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-democratic-governor-race-20180205-story.html https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=481072559 https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?goto=post&postid=481082898
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Willa Rogers posted:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-democratic-governor-race-20180205-story.html Oh, yikes. That's not a good look at all. The irony is that while that's way worse than the ad I keep seeing, I'm not sure that would, uh, hit the right notes for his target audience down here in the same way that  MADIGAN does.
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Zarin posted:Oh, yikes. That's not a good look at all. rauner might only run that ad in chicago-metro markets, and closer to the g.e. to depress chicago turnout.
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quote:Later in the recording, Blagojevich jokingly suggests appointing the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s controversial pastor whose inflammatory remarks led the then-presidential candidate to disassociate from him. Ratfuckers 
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Willa Rogers posted:http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-illinois-democratic-governor-race-20180205-story.html I met Kina Collins volunteering for Sameena Mustafa, and that woman is really impressive.
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Interesting article on 'who hosed Illinois' in governing magazine. IPR interviewed the guy about it.quote:Twenty years ago, Illinois was humming along. Its median household income stood at nearly $64,000 in today’s dollars -- more than $6,300 above the national average and higher than it’s been at any time since 2000. Edgar handed his successor a surplus of more than $1 billion in state revenue. Bond ratings had been upgraded a handful of times during his tenure, a first in Illinois history. Lots of people grumbled at Edgar’s fiscal austerity, but he left office at the end of his eight-year tenure more popular than ever, with a 60 percent approval rating. Go read it, its good (and free to access).
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That was good, and my biggest take away was that the 2001 and 2008 recessions killed the budget, and Governors Ryan and Blago hosed around with pensions to make it work and it backfired horribly. Does seem like the state could not endure a recession, and it's so aggravating to see the budget still in a deficit during a huge period of economic growth. I really don't want to know what's going to happen if a recession hits in the next 1-2 years.
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I didn't read it but anything absolving Edgar is wrong and under Thompson they did the 3% cola no matter what. Probably exempted pensions from taxes then too, I'm not sure when that passed this poo poo goes back to the constitutional convention in the 70s and even before. It's going to be a battle of haves and have nots and a ton of hatred on each side towards the other caveat: my dad gets a super sweet pension and I directly benefit from it, but I still can't stand how they work. neither can he, he quit his state job out of frustration over lack of any realistic pension changes. it's not like JB is going to change anything
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I'm having trouble following the underlying assumption but is it essentially that Edgar and politicians before him in the 80s and 90s underfunded the pension contributions through mathwizardry. When the 90s economy fell apart in 2000, the math couldn't hold together and the bill came due (in 2012)?
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Thwomp posted:I'm having trouble following the underlying assumption but is it essentially that Edgar and politicians before him in the 80s and 90s underfunded the pension contributions through mathwizardry. When the 90s economy fell apart in 2000, the math couldn't hold together and the bill came due (in 2012)? yeah they said look we aren't going to pay jack poo poo into pensions now but ramp up payments later. we totally swear future pols will do this no problem. wow our budget is balanced for this year! time to retire and take cushy gigs *time passes* new politicians: uh we aren't gonna pay these way higher contributions for pensions what the hell smame with the 3% increases for cola. back then that was below inflation so it was a cost saving measure, then turned into a boondoggle
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So when was the last time Illinois was truly paying the correct amount into the pension program, never?
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Bird in a Blender posted:So when was the last time Illinois was truly paying the correct amount into the pension program, never? yeah that'd be my guess, especially once the state constitution said the pensions can't ever be impaired so you could always pass the buck while never hurting the pensioners the only solution is to acknowledge the state agreedd with tons of people to pay half their salary now and half later , stop having pensions with new hires and get additional revenue to cover the last 50 years of mistakes. which of course will never happen. and I have no idea how that would work with the eight million local entities that all promised pensions too , state bailout I guess which will just make everyone mad. in case you didn't know this is in the 1970 constitution. no idea if it existed in prior ones. quote:SECTION 5. PENSION AND RETIREMENT RIGHTS Membership in any pension or retirement system of the State, any unit of local government or school district, or any agency or instrumentality thereof, shall be an enforceable contractual relationship, the benefits of which shall not be diminished or impaired. mastershakeman fucked around with this message at 21:00 on May 7, 2018 |
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mastershakeman posted:yeah that'd be my guess, especially once the state constitution said the pensions can't ever be impaired so you could always pass the buck while never hurting the pensioners Yeah the 1970 constitutional convention really hosed a lot of things up. Flat tax is in there too. Who thought that was a good idea? Anyway one thing you can always always count on Illinois politicians to do is kick the can down the road, that's what's what's been happening for at least 30 years maybe more. Quinn tried to do some damage control (in the worst possible loving way) and got beat for it.
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Lot's of people think Flat Taxes are a good idea. Lots of voters don't think things through or seek out the evidence. Other people are misinformed libertarians or openly maliciously oligarchs.
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mastershakeman posted:I didn't read it but anything absolving Edgar is wrong Edgar is a likable guy so people go easy on his colossal fuckups. The Edgar Ramp was devestating for the state. Same with the COLA increase under Thompson. It's amazing that a building is named after him. This state has been run by complete bafoons for so long. Also everyone who voted in the 80's and 90's in this state deserves a kick to the groin.
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GOP really putting out their best and brightest. He's not even the worst one running if we count the Nazi guy. http://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/389338-illinois-gop-house-candidate-said-beyonce-had-ties-to-illuminati-9-11
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May 25, 2018 18:16
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9/11 truther is way cooler than Holocaust denier
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mastershakeman posted:9/11 truther is way cooler than Holocaust denier I'm excited to here about his Beyonce conspiracy theory. "Beyonce's umbrella is the umbrella of shadow government."
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Several years ago, at an at-risk youth education conference, we had a lady who was going to be giving a keynote presentation about media issues with teens. It started off somewhat normal. She was a former actress who had been in a background scene of some 90s teen romance movie. She talked about working in Hollywood and how they work hard to create the perfect “art” to make pull in teens and their disposable income. Then it went into crazy land. She talked about how becoming a born again Christian made her want to leave Hollywood and start a god fearing family. She then realized that Hollywood was trying to brainwash children to all different sort of things especially anti-Christian. She then went onto a 5 minute rant about Beyoncé’s alter ego as being Bey possessed by a demon. That demon takes over to help lure at-risk youth to be devil worshippers. Yep, it was completely batshit! This guy is probably something similar but replace Satan with globalists.
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The ERA squeaked by with a vote to spare. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-equal-rights-amendment-illinois-20180530-story,amp.html
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Sure, why the hell not, I mean things can only get so dumb. My only question is why? What the gently caress does Trump owe Blago that he would do that for him?
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May 31, 2018 18:47
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Bird in a Blender posted:Sure, why the hell not, I mean things can only get so dumb. My only question is why? What the gently caress does Trump owe Blago that he would do that for him? Seems like he's setting up a narrative that the feds are abusing their power for when he needs to pardon his friends and family. Or it could just be as simple as he was on The Apprentice.
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Yea, I guess I can believe that. The Trump administration actually does seem to know how to manipulate people to get them to believe their narrative. Maybe Blago can get back in time to run for Chicago mayor too. I want maximum chaos.
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May 31, 2018 20:12
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In actual, real life good news that doesn't involve our corrupt former governor, the IL house passed the proposed budget 97-18 after it passed the senate passed it 56-2 yesterday. Broad bipartisan support and I don't see a world in which Rauner won't sign it into law. We (probably 🤞) got a for realsies budget. I mean, the state is still hosed long-term, but it's better than it was.
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The budget has quite a bit of sleight-of-hand in it to make it "balanced". https://chicago.suntimes.com/news/budget-bills-heading-to-gov-rauners-desk-after-bipartisan-passage/ quote:The budget would spend nearly $38.5 billion and includes major pension savings. The bulk of those savings would come from voluntary buyouts for people eligible for state pensions. Former state workers could opt out of their pension at 60 percent of the value and choose to invest that money elsewhere. Lawmakers used a Missouri model, and said the proposed estimate came from the pension systems themselves. Other savings include a 3 percent compounding cost-of-living adjustment for employees in retirement who are now covered by the state’s most expensive packages. Those retirees would be able to cash out for 60 percent of the value and utilize the more basic cost-of living adjustment. So we're banking on a lot of people cashing out of their pensions, which may or may not happen, and we're going to sell off state assets. What do we sell of next year for $300 million to make the budget work? Bird in a Blender fucked around with this message at 20:41 on May 31, 2018 |
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May 31, 2018 20:30
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We could go full RoboCop and privatize the police.
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Blago was on Celebrity Apprentice. Martha Stewart was prosecuted by James Comey.
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I'd be willing to bet that Blagojevich fed Trump some allusions to dirt he has on Obama.
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I look forward to Blago's pardon being described as "reaching across party lines"
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Trump has already said that if he commutes Blago that it is him connecting with Democrats. Patty Blago went on Fox News and said that Comey and Fitzgerald went after her husband to take down and governor and overstep the will of the people just like how they are trying to do to Trump. That right there is the play (along with Blago was on the Apprentice)
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Bizarro Kanyon posted:Trump has already said that if he commutes Blago that it is him connecting with Democrats. I'd like to think that the will of the people would include wanting non-corrupt politicians. At least before Nov. 2016 anyway.
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The vote to impeach was 114-1. The vote to convict was 59-0. The people didn't seem to have any issue with their representatives making those votes. A jury sat and listened to evidence and convicted him as well. He had a 3% approval rating. Sure seems like the "will of the people" was to put that piece of trash in prison.
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