CanPol Megathread: Big Changus

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Arc Hammer: Mar 4, 2013; Got any deathsticks?

How about the French Canadian lyrics of the anthem that talk about wielding swords and Catholicism.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 08:11

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Lead out in cuffs: Sep 18, 2012; "That's right. We've evolved."

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The Butcher posted:

Nobody else got God Save the Queen before the anthem at their schools?

I'm surprised this isn't more widespread given how adamant they are in the citizenship booklet (and in the Oath of Citizenship) that Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and that the oath is given directly to the Queen.

Oath of Citizenship posted:

I swear (or affirm)
That I will be faithful
And bear true allegiance
To Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth the Second
Queen of Canada
Her Heirs and Successors
And that I will faithfully observe
The laws of Canada
And fulfil my duties as a Canadian citizen.

It's probably a good thing that you don't have kids reciting this every morning in schools like they do in the US.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 08:40

Agnosticnixie: Jan 6, 2015

Lead out in cuffs posted:

I'm surprised this isn't more widespread given how adamant they are in the citizenship booklet (and in the Oath of Citizenship) that Canada is a constitutional monarchy, and that the oath is given directly to the Queen.

It's probably a good thing that you don't have kids reciting this every morning in schools like they do in the US.

Honestly I'm like 99% sure my grandparents would have hosed off if they were told they had to learn God save the queen to get citizenship

Also dude who joined the Canadian Alliance and then the tories because the libs were too commie for him knew both sets of lyrics for O Canada by heart plus the entirety of God save the queen, it was scary to watch even as a teen and everytime I hear about his antics he's further to the right.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 08:41

Karatela: Sep 11, 2001; Clickzorz!!!; Grimey Drawer

Surprised at all the anthem playing, in Edmonton where I went to school it was basically "do it before assemblies or for Remembrance Day stuff" and that was it.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 10:22

Argas: Jan 13, 2008; SRW Fanatic

Karatela posted:

Surprised at all the anthem playing, in Edmonton where I went to school it was basically "do it before assemblies or for Remembrance Day stuff" and that was it.

Same, BC.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 10:37

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

I went to elementary school in BC, the national anthem was played every morning and most of the younger classes sang along. When I moved to Alberta for high school it was weird to see that traded out for the Lord's Prayer.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 10:45

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Karatela posted:

Surprised at all the anthem playing, in Edmonton where I went to school it was basically "do it before assemblies or for Remembrance Day stuff" and that was it.

Same, NWT.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 11:27

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

We had the Lord's Prayer in elementary school but I think we dropped it in grade four or five or something. We also had ONE anthem in middle/high school, it was the Alanis version, and i'm convinced it was just subconsciously training everyone to buy her CDs in grade twelve.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 13:17

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flakeloaf posted:

We had the Lord's Prayer in elementary school but I think we dropped it in grade four or five or something. We also had ONE anthem in middle/high school, it was the Alanis version, and i'm convinced it was just subconsciously training everyone to buy her CDs in grade twelve.

Glebe?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 13:20

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

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# ? Jun 1, 2018 13:22

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http://nationalpost.com/news/canada/a-key-player-in-indigenous-cultural-genocide-historians-erase-sir-john-a-macdonalds-name-from-book-prize

quote:

'A key player in Indigenous cultural genocide:' Historians erase Sir John A. Macdonald's name from book prize

The main association of Canadian history scholars has voted to remove Sir John A. Macdonald�s name from a prestigious prize, joining a movement to stop celebrating the country�s first prime minister as a hero.

The decision to rename the 40-year-old prize the �CHA prize for Best Scholarly Book in Canadian History� came Tuesday at the annual meeting of the Canadian Historical Association in Regina. Members voted overwhelmingly in favour of the change.

James Daschuk, a University of Regina historian and winner of the Sir John A. Macdonald prize in 2014, said the name change is a small gesture for the country�s professional historians to make at a time of reconciliation with Indigenous people.

�It�s often the argument that Macdonald did a lot of good things,� Daschuk said in an interview. �He built the country. But he built the country on the backs of the Indigenous people.�

Daschuk called Macdonald �a polarizing figure,� and in the months since association president Adele Perry of the University of Manitoba announced the proposed change, there has been animated debate. Writing in the latest issue of the association journal Intersections, Perry quoted some of the responses the association has received from members, whom she did not identify.

�I don�t think it is appropriate to name such an important historical prize after a person who has, at best, a mixed historical legacy, and at worst, was a key player in Indigenous cultural genocide in Canada,� one member wrote. Another noted Macdonald�s role in �white-supremacist and genocidal policies whose profoundly damaging repercussions are felt to this day� and argued that changing the name provides a �teachable moment.�

On the other side of the debate, one member said it was �ahistorical and arrogant� to �condemn a man so associated with the founding of Canada because he was a product of his age.� Another called the name change �political correctness gone insane� and accused the association of caving into �fad and revision.�

To some, the change represents a first step down a slippery slope. �Don�t change this name, or next you will have to burn all books written of him and forever hide our history,� one said.

Macdonald was prime minister when the federal government approved the first residential schools in the country. Daschuk, author of Clearing the Plains: Disease, Politics of Starvation, and the Loss of Aboriginal Life, showed how Macdonald�s government used hunger as a weapon to force Indigenous communities onto reserves.

Christopher Dummitt, a history professor at Trent University, dropped his association membership over the move to strip Macdonald�s name from the $5,000 prize, awarded since 1977 to �the non-fiction work of Canadian history judged to have made the most significant contribution to an understanding of the Canadian past.�

He called the change �a bad idea, because it is essentially against history, against recognizing the full complexity of the past. It�s about eradicating figures of honour from the past.� He said its adoption by association members reflects �a moral puritanism which really is infecting large chunks of humanities and social sciences scholars.�

He recognizes that Macdonald �was a complicated figure� who saw Indigenous people as standing in the way of creating a nation. �And he was going to create Canada, and get them out of the way. That is absolutely true.� But that attitude was in keeping with the times, he said.

The historians� move follows a call last summer by the Elementary Teachers� Federation of Ontario to have Macdonald�s name removed from schools in the province in recognition of �his central role as an architect of genocide against Indigenous peoples.� Premier Kathleen Wynne rejected the request.

In January, Sir John�s Public House in Kingston, Ont., housed in Macdonald�s onetime law office, changed its name to The Public house, citing a need for reconciliation.

Raymond Blake, head of Canadian studies at the University of Regina, said the push to drop Macdonald�s name casts him as a villain, when history is rarely black and white.

�We have to deal with these things as historians and try to understand them in context, in the period in which people were living,� he said. �People are complicated. If we go looking for people who are racist or who don�t have the views we have � we�re going to find those people very easily.�

The association, created in 1922 to foster the scholarly study of Canadian history, has nearly 1,000 members, mostly from academia.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 13:55

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Karatela posted:

Surprised at all the anthem playing, in Edmonton where I went to school it was basically "do it before assemblies or for Remembrance Day stuff" and that was it.

Same, BC public schools.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:47

Mad Hamish: Jun 15, 2008; WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Hey, so I just got a text from what I assume is a Conservative organization based on the name:

Ontario Proud posted:

Hi, this is Olivia from Ontario Proud. Which political party will you vote for in the upcoming provincial election? Please respond: #Liberal #NDP #PC #Unsure #NotVoting (Text “Stop” to opt-out of SMS messages from Ontario Proud. SMS rates may apply depending on your carrier's policy.)

I am assuming from what I've read that this is some organization out to raise awareness for ~~white supremacists~~ the "Progressive" Conservatives, should I reply furiously telling them to go poo poo themselves?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:51

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

I remember the anthem in grade school, K-9. They used to only have 1 version of the anthem until grade 6 I want to say and then someone was able to scrape together enough funds to buy the school 5 different versions including a "fun" acapella version that played on Fridays. No one ever sung along and I honestly can't remember if they played the anthem once I got into high school, I always made sure my first period was a spare so I could sleep in.

Mad Hamish posted:

Hey, so I just got a text from what I assume is a Conservative organization based on the name:

I am assuming from what I've read that this is some organization out to raise awareness for ~~white supremacists~~ the "Progressive" Conservatives, should I reply furiously telling them to go poo poo themselves?

I thought this was illegal now and all email/text communication that organizations send out had to be with people that opt-in or that have had a "prior business relationship with the organization in the last 2 years"

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:52

Reince Penis: Nov 15, 2007; by R. Guyovich

Mad Hamish posted:

Hey, so I just got a text from what I assume is a Conservative organization based on the name:

I am assuming from what I've read that this is some organization out to raise awareness for ~~white supremacists~~ the "Progressive" Conservatives, should I reply furiously telling them to go poo poo themselves?

How do you think they got your number? Do you drive the 407?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:52

Arivia: Mar 17, 2011

DariusLikewise posted:

I remember the anthem in grade school, K-9. They used to only have 1 version of the anthem until grade 6 I want to say and then someone was able to scrape together enough funds to buy the school 5 different versions including a "fun" acapella version that played on Fridays. No one ever sung along and I honestly can't remember if they played the anthem once I got into high school, I always made sure my first period was a spare so I could sleep in.

Haha I remember that acapella version. Wasn�t it by the Barenaked Ladies? We played it on Fridays too. I usually sang along even in high school because I like singing.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:56

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

DariusLikewise posted:

I thought this was illegal now and all email/text communication that organizations send out had to be with people that opt-in or that have had a "prior business relationship with the organization in the last 2 years"

Doesn't apply to registered charities.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 14:56

MA-Horus: Dec 3, 2006; I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

whatever the alternate lyrics to the maple leaf forever are better than o Canada

fite me

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:03

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flakeloaf posted:

Doesn't apply to registered charities.

They are a not for profit incorporated business not a charity, they are not exempt from the DNC list.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:06

Mr Luxury Yacht: Apr 16, 2012

Arivia posted:

Haha I remember that acapella version. Wasn’t it by the Barenaked Ladies? We played it on Fridays too. I usually sang along even in high school because I like singing.

The only two that I remember to this day are the acapella version and the one that had a sweet guitar solo for some reason.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:12

Oxyclean: Sep 23, 2007

Who else had a moment of silence after O Canada? It feels like it wasn't always a thing, but it was definitely there for the majority of my schooling.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:15

mojo1701a: Oct 9, 2008; Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Arivia posted:

Haha I remember that acapella version. Wasn�t it by the Barenaked Ladies? We played it on Fridays too. I usually sang along even in high school because I like singing.

Goddamn, I'd forgotten about that one. Yeah, our school played the bilingual version, but mixed it up every so often with like, acoustic versions or whatever.

We also prayed afterward, but I went to Catholic schools, so that's to be expected.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:27

Postess with the Mostest: Apr 4, 2007; Arabian nights
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A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Fuckin love this guy

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1002539852171304960

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:28

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

Arivia posted:

Haha I remember that acapella version. Wasn�t it by the Barenaked Ladies? We played it on Fridays too. I usually sang along even in high school because I like singing.

It was this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJI6RE2DK0E

It was also the best because it was incredibly upbeat and fast compared to Wednesdays which was the slow, soulful version and took 5 minutes to finish

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:29

Eox: Jun 20, 2010; by Fluffdaddy

Ah, a trade war with Canada. The nation that asks how high before you even say jump.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:34

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Do timber and lumber in US?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:36

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

That sounds like a good way to get splinters on your private parts

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:36

Mad Hamish: Jun 15, 2008; WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.

Reince Penis posted:

How do you think they got your number? Do you drive the 407?

I don't even have a driver's license, I'm at a loss as to how they got my number which is also part of my concern. I don't want racist shitbags to have my number.

It may be a bit of a stretch to assume that they're racists but if they support the PCs and have the word 'pride' in the name I think it's probably reasonable.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:40

Lobok: Jul 13, 2006; Say Watt?

MA-Horus posted:

whatever the alternate lyrics to the maple leaf forever are better than o Canada

fite me

Put in whatever lyrics you want, get a choir to sing it, whatever. Maple Leaf Forever has the melody of an anthem for a summer camp.

"The cookouts, tree swings, arts and crafts
...at Camp Fairview foreverrr!'"

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:42

Tochiazuma: Feb 16, 2007

Postess with the Mostest posted:

Fuckin love this guy

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1002539852171304960

Good thing the US doesn't have any farm subsidies no sir that would make Orange Baby real mad I bet

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:45

mojo1701a: Oct 9, 2008; Oh, yeah. Loud and clear. Emphasis on LOUD!
~ David Lee Roth

Eox posted:

Ah, a trade war with Canada. The nation that asks how high before you even say jump.

My boss got about three calls yesterday alone from clients asking how this poo poo screws them over financially.

It'd be hilarious if it weren't so mind-blowingly stupid.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Reince Penis posted:

How do you think they got your number? Do you drive the 407?

I got a few texts early in the race that I assumed were because I sometimes attend conservative conferences and events but I can't actually remember ever giving anyone my phone number so it's a bit suspicious. I don't drive on the 407.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:52

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

CanPol Megathread: Do Timber & Lumber in U.S.?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:53

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

A country that bases its entire economic policy and a big part of its culture on symbiosis with America deserves to get slapped around economically. If I were a less cynical person I might even say this could yield some educational value to our national elites and policy makers.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:55

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Helsing posted:

A country that bases its entire economic policy and a big part of its culture on symbiosis with America deserves to get slapped around economically. If I were a less cynical person I might even say this could yield some educational value to our national elites and policy makers.

But we're hewers of wood and drawers of water. It's all we know how to do and all we can imagine doing. Who else are we going to hew and draw for?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 15:57

Typo: Aug 19, 2009; Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

oh great now that xi sucked up to trump a little bit I guess it's time to fight a trade war against the greatest source the america's trade deficit canada where workers are outcompeting US workers at unbeatable low wage levels of $15/hr

# ? Jun 1, 2018 16:06

Nocturtle: Mar 17, 2007

Standard practice to resolve these disputes is for a state-owned/controlled bank or institution to "invest" in one of Trump's/Kushner's failing buildings. Unfortunately Toronto doesn't have a Trump hotel anymore so a trade war is inevitable.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 16:14

bunnyofdoom: Mar 29, 2008; I've been here the whole time, and you're not my real Dad!

Nocturtle posted:

Standard practice to resolve these disputes is for a state-owned/controlled bank or institution to "invest" in one of Trump's/Kushner's failing buildings. Unfortunately Toronto doesn't have a Trump hotel anymore so a trade war is inevitable.

Vancouver does tho.

# ? Jun 1, 2018 16:19

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Erin O'Toole suggested that Canada sign on to a ballistic missile defense program and placate him that way.

...

# ? Jun 1, 2018 16:20

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Mad Hamish posted:

I don't even have a driver's license, I'm at a loss as to how they got my number which is also part of my concern. I don't want racist shitbags to have my number.

It may be a bit of a stretch to assume that they're racists but if they support the PCs and have the word 'pride' in the name I think it's probably reasonable.

They called me last weekend with an IVR poll, I just hung up, gently caress them. I'm assuming they're just robocalling their way through 416/905/647/289 and whatever other heathen area codes we have these days.

flakeloaf posted:

Erin O'Toole suggested that Canada sign on to a ballistic missile defense program and placate him that way.

...

lolwut?

# ? Jun 1, 2018 16:20

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