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I didn't know what the problem was until I looked at the loving Cannon
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idgi
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:00 |
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The heraldric shield thing has a giant SS Deaths Head on it.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:01 |
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And here I just thought it was a neat skull. That'll show me. Has anyone made an Ork truck with nutz? Only the nutz are skulls and/or space marine helmets.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:03 |
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Oh. Ok. I'm clearly not up on my full range of iconography.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:03 |
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It doesn’t even match the visual style of the rest of the model though?
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:13 |
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For reference. E: The totenkopf skull sometimes slips through since most people just see a skull and crossbones. Which lead to a very memorable product recall. moths fucked around with this message at 01:18 on Jun 3, 2018 |
# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:14 |
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It looks badly photoshopped if anything. The white doesn't even match.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:16 |
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goatface posted:It looks badly photoshopped if anything. The white doesn't even match. Either that or it was commission painted and then later "upgraded" by the owner.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 01:19 |
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TTerrible posted:Either that or it was commission painted and then later "upgraded" by the owner. It wouldn’t have the FLG frame then though?
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 02:01 |
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Schadenboner posted:It wouldn’t have the FLG frame then though? No idea what the context of the picture is. Might not be an FLG commission, could be something from one of their events. No idea, I haven't reverse image searched it or anything.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 02:04 |
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are we the baddies?
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 04:23 |
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It showed up on FLG's Imperial Knight Codex review. So yeah, they're aware of it.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 06:34 |
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Kung Fu Fist gently caress posted:are we the baddies? avatar / post combo
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 08:17 |
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Len posted:And here I just thought it was a neat skull. That'll show me. GW has this on their website
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 13:43 |
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moths posted:It showed up on FLG's Imperial Knight Codex review. So yeah, they're aware of it.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 13:51 |
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They probably just don't know the origin of the skull.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 16:40 |
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To be fair, the skull-and-crossed-bones symbol has been an emblem of cavalry units dating back to the Napoleonic era. All German tankers had the skull-and-crossed-bones pins on their lapel tabs. But it's easy to confuse it with the Totenkopf division, especially if you're unaware of the symbol's earlier use. That confusiuon (and the resulting backlash) is what led to the re-design of the front cover of TFL's "What a Tanker" rulebook.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 17:56 |
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Ilor posted:To be fair, the skull-and-crossed-bones symbol has been an emblem of cavalry units dating back to the Napoleonic era. All German tankers had the skull-and-crossed-bones pins on their lapel tabs. But it's easy to confuse it with the Totenkopf division, especially if you're unaware of the symbol's earlier use. That confusiuon (and the resulting backlash) is what led to the re-design of the front cover of TFL's "What a Tanker" rulebook. I find it extremely difficult to give people the benefit of the doubt with regards to the Totenkopf in TYOOL 2018.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 18:02 |
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TTerrible posted:I find it extremely difficult to give people the benefit of the doubt with regards to the Totenkopf in TYOOL 2018. EDIT: It's all about context. You don't punch a Shingon Buddhist in the face for "wearing a swastika." Ilor fucked around with this message at 18:20 on Jun 3, 2018 |
# ? Jun 3, 2018 18:18 |
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Ilor posted:To be fair, the skull-and-crossed-bones symbol has been an emblem of cavalry units dating back to the Napoleonic era. All German tankers had the skull-and-crossed-bones pins on their lapel tabs. But it's easy to confuse it with the Totenkopf division, especially if you're unaware of the symbol's earlier use. That confusiuon (and the resulting backlash) is what led to the re-design of the front cover of TFL's "What a Tanker" rulebook. That's not really relevant seeing as that skull on crossbones on the knight is literally just the nazi one.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 18:26 |
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Have some non-nazi orcs that missed leg day. These make me feel uncomfortable.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 19:14 |
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TTerrible posted:I find it extremely difficult to give people the benefit of the doubt with regards to the Totenkopf in TYOOL 2018. Doing a reverse image search they painted it in 2014 at the latest. I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that they just got sent a decal for a commission they didn't know the history of.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 19:44 |
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Ilor posted:To be fair, the skull-and-crossed-bones symbol has been an emblem of cavalry units dating back to the Napoleonic era. All German tankers had the skull-and-crossed-bones pins on their lapel tabs. But it's easy to confuse it with the Totenkopf division, especially if you're unaware of the symbol's earlier use. That confusiuon (and the resulting backlash) is what led to the re-design of the front cover of TFL's "What a Tanker" rulebook. That particular skull deign was created specifically for the SS. There have been a lot of totenkopfen in history, they can use one of those and it's no problem. That said, I don't think it was intentional.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 20:04 |
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Yeah, I'd assume the majority of people would think it was just yet another skull and crossbones and not recognize it as a nazi symbol.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 20:43 |
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I was going to post about the need to rescue some classic german symbology from Nazis when this first was posted. So I was looking for older examples of the symbol. "Oh", I said. "...oooooh."
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 20:50 |
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Ilor posted:EDIT: It's all about context. You don't punch a Shingon Buddhist in the face for "wearing a swastika." The Moon Monster posted:Yeah, I'd assume the majority of people would think it was just yet another skull and crossbones and not recognize it as a nazi symbol. The context is a wargaming hobby. That combined with the fact it really isn't a traditional skull & crossbones and we're well into the realm of looking and quacking like a duck.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 20:56 |
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FLG pulled the image, but someone in the comments had to leave this gem:quote:Dude, it’s just a skull, lol. The guy who painted that is Asian American, my friend and most assuredly not pro-Nazi (laughably far from that). (Bring back GROGNARDS.TXT)
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:03 |
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moths posted:FLG pulled the image, but someone in the comments had to leave this gem: That's Reece, one of the owners of FLG.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:07 |
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"I'm not very good at painting the Totenkopf" is a great defence.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:12 |
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it is extremely immediately obvious to me, a not history nerd, that it is a nazi symbol
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:15 |
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I can buy that it was maybe traced or designed unknowingly from a totenkopf, but Reece's response is garbage from an idiot.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:17 |
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mango sentinel posted:I can buy that it was maybe traced or designed unknowingly from a totenkopf, but Reece's response is garbage from an idiot. Yup, exactly this. I don't for a second think anyone at FLG is an actual nazi. It's a bad choice from Google Image Search for source material when freehanding. Don't double down on it though, maybe.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:19 |
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the fact that it’s coincidentally placed on a red and white shield further calls into question that defense
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:21 |
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I've joked elsewhere that it being a White Knight might mean something
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:22 |
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I honestly thought they'd say "woah we didn't realise what that was, no offense". Maybe a thanks for the heads up at most. Not pissy defensiveness.
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:29 |
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Hauki posted:the fact that it’s coincidentally placed on a red and white shield further calls into question that defense What does red and white signify? I'm not particularly au fait with white supremacist symbology
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:41 |
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TTerrible posted:Yup, exactly this. I don't for a second think anyone at FLG is an actual nazi. It's a bad choice from Google Image Search for source material when freehanding. I'm mad https://twitter.com/VriskaChat/status/1003378131116396549
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:50 |
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When that dude popped up on Ash Barker's YouTube with the duterte shirt I asked him about it at AdeptiCon- h said he didn't know about it until after and said he'd never tolerate that poo poo again. The right way to do social media
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# ? Jun 3, 2018 21:50 |
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:The context is a wargaming hobby. That combined with the fact it really isn't a traditional skull & crossbones and we're well into the realm of looking and quacking like a duck. Well I mean yeah there's a 99.9% chance someone involved knew it was a Nazi symbol. I had thought this was a commission piece so maybe the painter was just given a jpg and told to paint it on the shield. Sounds like that's not actually the case though. I saw Raiders of the Lost Ark when I was 5 and then started drawing swastikas on everything for a day because I thought they looked awesome. Thankfully my Jewish kindergarten teacher was the understanding sort. Was the person who painted this literally a child? The Moon Monster fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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