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Raskolnikov38 posted:if you're going to keep up this revolutionary communist gimmick, post proof of your membership and/or donation to chairman bob he posted his DSA card a while back
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SKULL.GIF posted:he posted his DSA card a while back DSA isn't revolutionary, it's entryist. which makes WJ's "im a DSA member, btw voting solves nothing!!!!  " idiocy even more idiotic
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loquacius posted:Jim Webb was further right than Hillary but a vote for him would have at least constituted a more principled stand than "I dunno, everyone else in the Dem party is a lot like her I guess" Jim Webb would've won so hard.
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Condiv posted:and what exactly did make hillary the avatar of the democratic party if it wasn't her positions? a slip of paper with a shitload of zeroes on it: a list of her supporters.
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Condiv posted:DSA isn't revolutionary, it's entryist. now you just sound really snobby, pull up
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:a slip of paper with a shitload of zeroes on it: a list of her supporters. voting results in Wisconsin?
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:thread title
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Lastgirl posted:now you just sound really snobby, pull up i think entryism is a good strategy for now 
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Lastgirl posted:now you just sound really snobby, pull up ehhh i think it's a fair comment in the context of "WJ purports to be the radicalest radical that ever radical'd to the point where he wraps back around to voting for Hillary Clinton."
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Oh Snapple! posted:ehhh i think it's a fair comment in the context of "WJ purports to be the radicalest radical that ever radical'd to the point where he wraps back around to voting for Hillary Clinton." kind of unfair to DSA members if WJ is being thrown in that lot imo, even more so when being used as a prop. But nobody talks like that irl, "entryist" gimme a break. Getting socialists into political office is the best thing to do because realistically, This is America~ Disparaging an organization to get at one guy is so unbelievably petty tbh
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Lastgirl posted:Getting socialists into political office is the best thing to do because realistically, This is America~ Bingo, and WJ's default dumbass response of "I don't believe in pursuing electoral strategies, just create a socialist revolution instead!" is equally as worthy of mockery as his Hillary primary vote.
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WJ is... kind of an outlier among DSA members in terms of voting preferences, I'd say. I dunno what his membership card would even prove in this case
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condiv is my friend and is gonna help me start the dsa armed revolution caucus
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Lastgirl posted:kind of unfair to DSA members if WJ is being thrown in that lot imo, even more so when being used as a prop. But nobody talks like that irl, "entryist" gimme a break. Getting socialists into political office is the best thing to do because realistically, This is America~ Disparaging an organization to get at one guy is so unbelievably petty tbh the whole chairman bob joke hangs on the difference between entryist and revolutionist tho
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Suck Zone generally is decent when it mocks democrats relentlessly but it tends to fall into this whole WJ centric trap routinely, aren't you guys sick of it at this point? Or do you secretly need him so you can bash as a band aid feel good for the time being~ WampaLord posted:Bingo, and WJ's default dumbass response of "I don't believe in pursuing electoral strategies, just create a socialist revolution instead!" is equally as worthy of mockery as his Hillary primary vote. True, I mean, I'm just saying. I agree progressives could do a whole lot better, and jneed to wash that neoliberal stink off is the first thing to do in the party imo. DSA is not entryist because of WJ, but that just sounds like an online caucus thing to say so nobody irl would care to take offense and probably laugh it out of the room so the whole thing is moot really Raskolnikov38 posted:the whole chairman bob joke hangs on the difference between entryist and revolutionist tho fair enough #BlueTsunami Lastgirl has issued a correction as of 17:42 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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Lastgirl posted:kind of unfair to DSA members if WJ is being thrown in that lot imo, even more so when being used as a prop. But nobody talks like that irl, "entryist" gimme a break. Getting socialists into political office is the best thing to do because realistically, This is America~ Disparaging an organization to get at one guy is so unbelievably petty tbh ?? lot of people say entryist though
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Lastgirl posted:Or do you secretly need him so you can bash as a band aid feel good for the time being~ No I'd be perfectly happy if all the "actually centrism is rad" people stopped posting forever, gimmick or no gimmick. Lastgirl posted:True, I mean, I'm just saying. I agree progressives could do a whole lot better, and jneed to wash that neoliberal stink off is the first thing to do in the party imo. DSA is not entryist because of WJ, but that just sounds like an online caucus thing to say so nobody irl would care to take offense and probably laugh it out of the room so the whole thing is moot really I wasn't the one calling them entryist, I don't even really know what that means, that was Condiv.
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GunnerJ posted:WJ is... kind of an outlier among DSA members in terms of voting preferences, I'd say. a tangible version of a donutter's "i voted for bernie in the primaries"
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Gene Hackman Fan posted:a tangible version of a donutter's "i voted for bernie in the primaries" But usually that is too lend credibility to turning on him.
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GunnerJ posted:Do generic ballot odds actually mean anything? it’s a good measure of enthusiasm, which is super important for a midterm
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GunnerJ posted:Do generic ballot odds actually mean anything? generally "generic democrat" does better than actual, named democrats. so actual, named democrats should (note: should) be making GBS threads themselves
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:?? lot of people say entryist though i just kinda associate that with elitism from experience. It's kind of a loaded term though, and as seen literally just now, it can be weaponized to discredit instead of "hey, its a foot in the door towards something better  "WampaLord posted:No I'd be perfectly happy if all the "actually centrism is rad" people stopped posting forever, gimmick or no gimmick. 
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"Thirdwayism is entry level garbage, pfft. You want to do some DSA my man" "DSA is entry level garbage, you'll want some of that Full Communism now comrade." "Communism is entry level garbage actually."
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GunnerJ posted:Do generic ballot odds actually mean anything? Not really That tweet is also kinda misleading. It's framing it as if it'll be a toss-up for every single race in the country (i.e., the generic ballot) but fails to contextualize that the Democrats currently hold 193 seats in the House and that the results they're projecting is a gain of 26 seats There's other problems with how they're presenting the data too. It's a bad framing all around
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Jun 3, 2018 17:55
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Entryism refers to entering a party to take it over from the inside (as opposed to creating your own party)
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Lastgirl posted:"Thirdwayism is entry level garbage, pfft. You want to do some DSA my man" thats not what entryist means https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entryism
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SKULL.GIF posted:Entryism refers to entering a party to take it over from the inside (as opposed to creating your own party) gotcha Sheng-Ji Yang posted:thats not what entryist means thanks, I just associated it from a negative experience. Sorry Condiv
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SKULL.GIF posted:Not really the other problem is that "generic democrat" is extremly vague. i saw something get posted a while ago that said that in a lot of the races most people considered their actual candidate different from the generic and rated them higher. TBH i wouldnt pay much attention to midterm polls until like september
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Unlike WJ who refuses to learn I learned something new today, I mean I understood that the DSA was working from within the party, but wasn't aware that there was a term for it
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lastgirl learning words today
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the succ zone is a quarantine for friendship and understanding
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the real succ is the friends we made along the way
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the word of the day is, "entryism" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVgcD0rP43k
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