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Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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spog posted:

Yeah, about a decade ago, the EU imposed max volume restrictions on mp3 players.

One of my Ipod 5Gen firmware upgrades decreased the max volume it would play at if you had your country set to one that was in the EU.
If you wiped the iPod back to factory settings and set it to US, that limit was removed.

I think that there was a later firmware update that set a lower max volume, but you had the option of going into the setting menu and overriding it, as long as you clicked through a warning screen.

I've just assumed that the reason why I can't turn my iPhone/earbuds/AirPods up high enough to overcome aircraft engines or nearby road construction is because they've removed that regional distinction and just applied the 85dB limit everywhere.

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Literally Lewis Hamilton
Feb 22, 2005



Empress Brosephine posted:

I thought all bose products where poo poo is that not true

They’re expensive but there is a reason you’ll see a ton of them in use by business travelers. I’m sure the sound quality isn’t incredible but you’re in a giant rumbling tin can listening to stereo audio from a tablet, not exactly the greatest environment or source.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Data Graham posted:

I've just assumed that the reason why I can't turn my iPhone/earbuds/AirPods up high enough to overcome aircraft engines or nearby road construction is because they've removed that regional distinction and just applied the 85dB limit everywhere.

http://content.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1881130,00.html

quote:

In 2006 a Louisiana man filed suit against Apple, claiming that iPods are "not sufficiently adorned with adequate warnings regarding the likelihood of hearing loss." Soon after, health authorities in France demanded increased safety measures. So the company, based in Cupertino, Calif., revised its software to set the maximum volume at 100 dB (the equivalent of standing next to a pneumatic drill) for devices sold in Europe. Portnuff says certain devices sold in the U.S. can reach beyond 100 dB, however; some have recorded levels as high as 115 dB, similiar to a chainsaw or rock concert.

https://www.apple.com/sound/faq.html

I don't think that is the case with you: if you want to go ahead and wreck your hearing, then you can do it

quote:

A. On an iPod nano, iPod classic, iPod touch or iPhone, you can adjust the maximum volume by going into your Settings menu. On an iPod shuffle, adjust the volume to the desired maximum volume. Connect your iPod shuffle to iTunes and select "Limit maximum volume". Drag the slider to the desired maximum volume. The initial slider setting corresponds to the volume the iPod shuffle was set to when you selected the "Limit maximum volume" checkbox.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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Blah. My volume limit (Settings -> Music) is already set to unrestricted / maximum.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

What I keep wondering is how you can set a decibel limit without knowing the electrical and acoustical specs of the headphones you use - a pair of IEMs and a pair of 600Ω over-ear phones will respond very differently to the same power delivery. Is it calibrated for the bundled earbuds? Do they do something smart with electrical measurements?

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Data Graham posted:

Blah. My volume limit (Settings -> Music) is already set to unrestricted / maximum.

OH, IN THAT CASE, MAYBE YOU COULD CONSIDER A HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER.

YOU CAN GET NICE LITTLE BATTERY ONES THAT COMPLIMENT AN MP3 PLAYER OR MAKE ONE OF YOUR OWN FROM AN ALTOIDS TIN.

Flash Gordon Ramsay
Sep 28, 2004

Grimey Drawer

spog posted:

OH, IN THAT CASE, MAYBE YOU COULD CONSIDER A HEADPHONE AMPLIFIER.

YOU CAN GET NICE LITTLE BATTERY ONES THAT COMPLIMENT AN MP3 PLAYER OR MAKE ONE OF YOUR OWN FROM AN ALTOIDS TIN.

I used this when I flew before I got my noise canceling Bose. Does a good job, and has multiple outputs so you can listen/watch a movie together with whoever is seated next to you.

https://www.amazon.com/Upbeat-Audio-T613-BNC-Boostaroo-Application/dp/B000EIWCFE/

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

Supposedly, using a headphone amp with its own battery will save you a tiny bit of main-device battery life. Probably not enough to be noticeable, but you know - if you want one and need one more argument to justify it.

As for which one, the small Fiios seem to review well and charge over usb. I've only used one of their larger models myself, though. (I'm happy with my E7, but I use it as a USB soundcard on a PC.)

Computer viking has a new favorite as of 14:59 on May 18, 2018

evobatman
Jul 30, 2006

it means nothing, but says everything!
Pillbug

Empress Brosephine posted:

I thought all bose products where poo poo is that not true

I bought Bose QC25s which were the main hyped poo poo before the new wireless ones came out, and I sold them after one day of use.

They were comfy to wear and the noise cancellation was amazing, but they were cheap plastic poo poo, and the sound quality was absolutely horrible. I have some random $40 noise cancelling Sony earbuds I picked up at an airport years ago, and they sound tons better, but the nc is of course weaker.

So for commuters and airplane travellers, go ahead with Bose QCs. If you're interested in music and good sound quality, stay far away.

Pierre Chaton
Sep 1, 2006

Humbug Scoolbus posted:

I still have my MSI U100 Wind...



I put Mint Linux, an extra GB of RAM, and a 100 GB SSD in it and it's still my inflight entertainment machine.

I had the the Advent 4211, which was a re-badged u100 that PC World sold in the UK cheaper than the official wind.

I bought it to replace an XPS M1310 that was stolen because I've always had a boner for subcompacts, and thought it was pretty rad that the traditionally more expensive form factor was now the budget option.

Flashed the MSI BIOS instead to fix some issues (and allow overclocking! :rice:), added the extra gig of ram and a then pretty big 500GB platter drive and used it quite happily for years.

It always seemed much the same to me in speed on either Win7 or OSX as it did on XP.

It was really good to have something super portable that would run windows apps that was cheap enough that it wasn't a big deal if it got lost/damaged/stolen. Take it to the beach, why not?

As you say, it was a great size for an aeroplane table, and when you stuffed a 9 * CR18650 pack in it would get decent runtime, though the battery pack was heavier than the unit and pitched the keyboard higher than a desktop board.

Mine got it's last run in public when I used it a couple of years ago to play the music for a friends walk down the aisle through the PA, and later their first dance.

Good boy, Advent 4211, enjoy life at the farm.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I replaced my EeePC with a Chromebook, and when I had enough of the gradual reduction in performance from ChromeOS becoming more and more x86-focused, I replaced it with a Thinkpad T420. Then I figured that was too big and heavy, so I got a T440, which turned out to have battery issues (removing the battery to make it boot again is a pain in the rear end when you've got the internal battery installed). So I replaced that with an X220i, fully decked out with 8GB RAM, SSD, 5GHz wifi and the big 9-cell battery, so I'm back to the subnotebook form factor, but with infinitely better keyboard and build quality.

I will never buy another laptop with a screen bigger than 13".

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 11:52 on May 22, 2018

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007


My trusty Lenovo X230 with 12 gigs of ram and an SSD is still serving me as my daily work machine just fine. The thing is built like a loving tank and I actually love the aesthetic, everything Lenovo has put out after it just doesn't do it for me. (Also X230 is still driven by an i5 Intel so it often outperforms more power conscious models today.) Best of all worlds really, unless you hate chiclet keyboards.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



The X260 I got for work runs something like 20 hours on a charge. If I'm going somewhere for the day (another office, coffee shop, in-town conference, whatever) I don't even both taking the charger any more, I know I can get a full day of actual work out of the battery. I love it.

My perfect laptop would still be a X60 body with a modern processor/RAM and a high-resolution 4:3 screen, but I might as well ask for a magical genius unicorn to do math for me.

Mak0rz
Aug 2, 2008

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KozmoNaut posted:

I replaced my EeePC with a Chromebook, and when I had enough of the gradual reduction in performance from ChromeOS becoming more and more x86-focused, I replaced it with a Thinkpad T420. Then I figured that was too big and heavy, so I got a T440, which turned out to have battery issues (removing the battery to make it boot again is a pain in the rear end when you've got the internal battery installed). So I replaced that with an X220i, fully decked out with 8GB RAM, SSD, 5GHz wifi and the big 9-cell battery, so I'm back to the subnotebook form factor, but with infinitely better keyboard and build quality.

I will never buy another laptop with a screen bigger than 13".

My ThinkPad T540p has been doing pretty good even though it's four years old (apart from the screen dying but I wanted a new display for it anyway), but it's not the most portable computer in the world. I'm hoping we'll be able to get a Windows desktop built before it dies because when it does I'm probably going the Chromebook direction too.

Mak0rz has a new favorite as of 15:57 on May 22, 2018

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

KozmoNaut posted:

I will never buy another laptop with a screen bigger than 13".
Sub-15 is a pain to work with if you're video editing or doing photoshop stuff tho.

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


FilthyImp posted:

Sub-15 is a pain to work with if you're video editing or doing photoshop stuff tho.

If I were to do that, I would plug in a bigass monitor anyway.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Watching a few older Techmoan vids and it always amuses me that he is such a huge nerd then bam shows off his gangster rap tapes and records.

For example but just a random one I'm watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mYoi3uJEi0

Buttcoin purse
Apr 24, 2014

Humphreys posted:

Watching a few older Techmoan vids and it always amuses me that he is such a huge nerd then bam shows off his gangster rap tapes and records.

For example but just a random one I'm watching
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mYoi3uJEi0

I'm also a huge nerd but not in a cool way with lots of followers like that guy. I got into gangster rap because when you just killed a man and hijacked a car to get away and the police are chasing you, you don't have time to mess around with the radio so you end up listening to whatever the last owner of the car was listening to, so after playing Grand Theft Auto San Andreas for a while, I started to like a bunch of different types of music. That's my story of how you can get into non-nerdy music in a nerdy way, thanks for listening.
:whatup: :banjo: :megadeath:

I didn't watch much of that video, but I got the impression that tapes are being made again. Why? Is the sound warm? Is it the experience of putting the tape into the player? It's definitely nothing to do with the album art right?

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry

Buttcoin purse posted:

I didn't watch much of that video, but I got the impression that tapes are being made again. Why? Is the sound warm? Is it the experience of putting the tape into the player? It's definitely nothing to do with the album art right?

People whose formative years were during the cassette tape era are now old and rich enough to buy over-priced nostalgia poo poo. They are not really being made again, just the lowest quality ones for novelty reasons (think Guardians of the Galaxy soundtrack and 8 bit music kind of stuff).

Of course, techmoan has a long video just about tapes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVoSQP2yUYA

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Unlike vinyl, I'm not getting the impression that people are claiming some ethereal golden-eared warmth, though. It looks like nostalgia, kitsch appeal, whatever. I've seen stuff that was probably produced for 192 kbps MP3 get pressed onto limited-edition vinyl and sometimes cassette on bandcamp and I guess it sells.

I'm guilty of such a behavior, but I wasn't interested in the sound quality as much as the kitsch. I once bought a limited edition transcoded-to-warm-24-kbps album on a hand-labeled CD-R because I had gotten a good amount of enjoyment out of the free version. I partly wanted to support the artist, but I thought it was a cozy little idea and it tickled me.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
Last year I bought a vaporwave album that comes on two 3.5" floppies.

I don't give a poo poo about 24kbps music but more the hours of lo-fi hip hop the artist also produced that I've enjoyed, so throwing them $9 was a no-brainer when they finally had a physical release of some kind.

C.M. Kruger
Oct 28, 2013
I'd imagine a good portion of whatever tape production there still is goes to religious groups, just due to the simplicity of it for putting sermons or whatever onto tape.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




Yeah old people hold on to media way past it’s prime. I remember my grandma having and using and 8-track in her car in the late 90’s

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit
Vinyl's appeal is in the experience, anyone who tells you otherwise just doesn't realize it yet

The Kins
Oct 2, 2004
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMTpvr9HXeI

Rolling Stone article about the National Audio Company from 2016

It sounds like they're still going reasonably strong, in that according to a local news article from January they're starting to manufacture their own cassette tape instead of buying rapidly diminishing old stock from the 80s. This article also points out that outside of music, the tape duplicator also has long-term customers in the form of "the federal government, state-owned libraries for blind and visually impaired folks, religious institutions and customers seeking to restore taped materials from the 1960s and 1970s."

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius

Iron Crowned posted:

Vinyl's appeal is in the experience, anyone who tells you otherwise just doesn't realize it yet

I like it because I enjoy getting the records out and putting them on. Plus it forces me to sit there and listen to the whole album. It's a fun experience. When albums came out on vinyl or tape, you had to make every song on there decent. Not like CDs where you could throw on a dumb song because people could just skip past it. They can make vinyl be as high quality as it ever had been. Tapes will never be high quality ever again because no one makes the high quality tapes, and no one licenses the technology that made them not suck. Every once in a while I think about how it would be neat to have a walkman and some tapes or something. Then I remember it wasn't really all that great in the first place.

woodch
Jun 13, 2000

This'll kill ya!
Speaking of retro music stuff:

I know this thread has gone over the early 90's demo scene already, probably multiple times, but I recently discovered and bought Purple Motion's "Musicdisk" album.
https://www.amazon.com/Musicdisk-Purple-Motion/dp/B077S3TCS5

The new versions of Starshine and 2nd Reality are really cool, and there's a really great version of Satellite One that is just a high-quality render of the original.

The other music on there isn't usually my brand of music, but something about it triggers the nostalgia feels in a big way. The opening track In Certain Frequency is impossibly catchy.

Best 6 bux I've spent in a long time. I highly recommend it to anyone who loved the old demo scene.

Star Man
Jun 1, 2008

There's a star maaaaaan
Over the rainbow

doctorfrog posted:

Unlike vinyl, I'm not getting the impression that people are claiming some ethereal golden-eared warmth, though. It looks like nostalgia, kitsch appeal, whatever. I've seen stuff that was probably produced for 192 kbps MP3 get pressed onto limited-edition vinyl and sometimes cassette on bandcamp and I guess it sells.

I'm guilty of such a behavior, but I wasn't interested in the sound quality as much as the kitsch. I once bought a limited edition transcoded-to-warm-24-kbps album on a hand-labeled CD-R because I had gotten a good amount of enjoyment out of the free version. I partly wanted to support the artist, but I thought it was a cozy little idea and it tickled me.

If there is anything vinyl has over other formats for sound is if you have an album made before the noise war and prefer the original mix over whatever remasters came after.

The appeal for cassette tapes really is for the eccentricities of the format like the hiss from an old tape. Contemporary artists that release anything on tape do it for that kind of sound that you can't reproduce in a studio.

Data Graham
Dec 28, 2009

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It’s like how tractor-feed carbon paper will never go away as long as there is a need to sign three things at the same time, like at a car dealership.

Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Tapes are fun in a car because they're easy to deal with onehanded, more durable than CDs, and the poorer sound quality is less noticeable on the road. I've got a tape deck in my pickup, half a dozen cassettes and a cassette adapter to plug in my phone, it's pretty decent.

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

Star Man posted:

If there is anything vinyl has over other formats for sound is if you have an album made before the noise war and prefer the original mix over whatever remasters came after.

The appeal for cassette tapes really is for the eccentricities of the format like the hiss from an old tape. Contemporary artists that release anything on tape do it for that kind of sound that you can't reproduce in a studio.
Hadn't thought of that, yeah I guess I could go for some good tape hiss. Only thing is, in my memory, hearing tape hiss loudly was a sign that I had turned my stereo up too loud and the music (or my voice as a child, as I would make my own dumb radio shows on tape) was about to come on and blow my eardrums out.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Who didn't make dumb radio shows as a child?

doctorfrog
Mar 14, 2007

Great.

I used an Atari 2600 for sound effects and pretended I was a kid lost in space. Then I'd interview my dinosaurs. Sometimes being a kid is just really great.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I had a tape deck in my car until last year when I replaced it with an Android Auto stereo head. The tape deck portion had actually stopped working a year or more before that so no more tape adapter. I replaced that with a Bluetooth FM transmitter but that poo poo was finnicky as hell.

Computer viking
May 30, 2011
Now with less breakage.

If the typical patent lifetime is 25 years, anyone should be legally able to produce cassette tape to rival the state of the art in early 1993 by now. Actually doing so is probably a bit of an art form, though.

Plinkey
Aug 4, 2004

by Fluffdaddy

Computer viking posted:

If the typical patent lifetime is 25 years, anyone should be legally able to produce cassette tape to rival the state of the art in early 1993 by now. Actually doing so is probably a bit of an art form, though.

I think it's that a lot of tooling/techniques...etc was destoryed or trashed, there's nothing to stop you from doing it except for building a whole new line to...well, make cassette tapes.

ishikabibble
Jan 21, 2012

Computer viking posted:

If the typical patent lifetime is 25 years, anyone should be legally able to produce cassette tape to rival the state of the art in early 1993 by now. Actually doing so is probably a bit of an art form, though.

I actually did some reading into that stuff a while ago and the general consensus seemed to be there's not a big enough market for companies to care and even though the patents have expired, the intellectual property and trademarks of Dolby B/C/S/NR/etc are still around and lawyers will jump at your throat if you try to use them. So while you could throw every Dolby trick in the book at a player, you'd be basically unable to actually say that you did and communicate to consumers "yes this is Dolby NR it's the exact same technology we just can't call it Dolby NR but please if you have a tape with Dolby NR flick this switch on that isn't labeled anything related to Dolby NR to get Dolby NR".

Also currently existing stocks of chips all have the Dolby branding on them so they're unusable since Dolby won't license out Dolby NR anymore.

Randaconda
Jul 3, 2014

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I have a lot of nostalgia for cassette tapes. We were pretty poor, so I used to record songs off the radio I liked until I had the tape full then go dig up another blank tape. :yaycloud:

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Platystemon
Feb 13, 2012

BREADS

ishikabibble posted:

you'd be basically unable to actually say that you did and communicate to consumers "yes this is Dolby NR it's the exact same technology we just can't call it Dolby NR but please if you have a tape with Dolby NR flick this switch on that isn't labeled anything related to Dolby NR to get Dolby NR".

I believe that falls under nominative use and you actually could say that.

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