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unruly posted:Yes, and? I saw that. It doesn't exactly change my feeling that the character is the most checkboxy new hero for inclusiveness sake. That's fine, it's just not what I enjoy. I'll look for her YA stuff and see if I end up liking it. In VENGEANCE I don't recall much about her parents or orientation being mentioned. Hell I don't think we even find out she likes girls til the end of YA.
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it's amazing how quickly almost every complaint about america turns out to be from nazis who cant believe there might be someone who would want books about them dang ol coloreds and queers
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Jun 5, 2018 21:04
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From basic wikipedia-ing it looks like her deal is the standard package plus some sliders nonsense, how often does that come up? Is it a once an issue thing, or more of "technically the Flash can go back in time, but he doesn't because it would kill all narrative tension" sort of thing? Because it seems like you could have a lot of fun with it.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:08
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Is this like the thing where everybody started fighting because Ms. Marvel was making meme references?
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Jun 5, 2018 21:18
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unruly posted:It doesn't exactly change my feeling that the character is the most checkboxy new hero for inclusiveness sake. You should probably think long and hard about why you feel that way. It says significantly more about your personal beliefs than you realize.
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Keeshhound posted:From basic wikipedia-ing it looks like her deal is the standard package plus some sliders nonsense, how often does that come up? Is it a once an issue thing, or more of "technically the Flash can go back in time, but he doesn't because it would kill all narrative tension" sort of thing? Because it seems like you could have a lot of fun with it. It depends on the writer's imagination. Sometimes she does really fun poo poo like having a punchfight through dimensions, other times she's just the transportation. She's already better than most teleporters because she literally kicks holes in reality. Star-shaped ones.
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Jun 5, 2018 21:28
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brown person: *exists* white person: this is beyond my suspension of disbelief
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Jun 5, 2018 21:30
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prefect posted:Is this like the thing where everybody started fighting because Ms. Marvel was making meme references? To be fair, I was still annoyed back then that they were already doing the obligatory Wolverine team-up and she still hadn't met that hedgehog with the hulk hands from the one cover page. Come to think of it, did that hedgehog ever show up?
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Jun 5, 2018 21:44
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purple death ray posted:brown person: *exists* every fantasy or historical media piece edit: double if it's a woman and/or in a position of power
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Jun 5, 2018 22:01
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purple death ray posted:brown person: *exists* Wow look at this checkbox character
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Jun 5, 2018 22:13
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Look at this new character. He’s a straight, white, cisgendered man with a hot love interest and a gruff attitude. Very new and original, no checkboxes.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:27
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Where can I buy a "Crossbones Was Right" shirt?
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Jun 5, 2018 22:37
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unruly posted:Yes, and? I saw that. It doesn't exactly change my feeling that the character is the most checkboxy new hero for inclusiveness sake. That's fine, it's just not what I enjoy. I'll look for her YA stuff and see if I end up liking it. Just get outta here, dude. And stop harassing Kelly Marie Tran.
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Jun 5, 2018 22:48
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Soonmot posted:Yeah, Coates' Black panter had some growing pains in the beginning as he struggled to get a grasp on writing for comics, I was hoping Rivera was experiencing something similar, but... no. It was just bad. Which is a shame because Chavez is awesome. It's really a failing of her editor too. Who the gently caress let that Fifth Element sorority gag through?
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Jun 5, 2018 22:53
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Archyduke posted:Is Runaways Rainbow Rowell's first comics work? Because she's killing it, that series is a ton of fun. Yes, and agreed.
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ecavalli posted:You should probably think long and hard about why you feel that way. It says significantly more about your personal beliefs than you realize. I dunno, the sample presented didn't seem exactly like something someone should defend simply because the character is a Latinx LGBT character. If the writer is bad and their intention is solely just to attempt to appeal to a demographic by saying 'hey look, they're just like how I think you are, buy this book!' then a character like that can be offensive as hell and difficult to read. Though to be fair I haven't read anything with the character and know next to nothing about them or their book so I can't make a very informed opinion on the subject.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:16
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I haven’t heard anyone say good things about that book.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:45
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Even Hitler loved his dogs. And even Hitler followers love their yappy dogs.
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Jun 6, 2018 01:59
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My hot take on "Inclusive comics, or PANDERING!?" Just feeling suddenly old and thinking "Is Holy Menstruation a thing kids say to eachother these days?"
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John Dyne posted:I dunno, the sample presented didn't seem exactly like something someone should defend simply because the character is a Latinx LGBT character. If the writer is bad and their intention is solely just to attempt to appeal to a demographic by saying 'hey look, they're just like how I think you are, buy this book!' then a character like that can be offensive as hell and difficult to read. America Chavez has been a queer Latinx character for years though, that's not something the writer of her solo title just pulled out of nowhere. To be clear, I think her solo title is very very bad, but most of the basic coordinates of her character were already laid out by Kieron Gillen and to a lesser extent Joe Casey and Al Ewing (in comics that were for the most part very very good).
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Archyduke posted:America Chavez has been a queer Latinx character for years though, that's not something the writer of her solo title just pulled out of nowhere. To be clear, I think her solo title is very very bad, but most of the basic coordinates of her character were already laid out by Kieron Gillen and to a lesser extent Joe Casey and Al Ewing (in comics that were for the most part very very good). I wasn't aware the character was that old, honestly, and wasn't sure who her creator was. I guess it's more of a bad writer on a good character then. poo poo like what I was talking about doesn't seem AS common these days and seems more like a 90's/2000's thing. Speaking of, whatever happened to Simon Baz, the Green Lantern with a gun who was also Islamic?
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John Dyne posted:poo poo like what I was talking about doesn't seem AS common these days and seems more like a 90's/2000's thing. Speaking of, whatever happened to Simon Baz, the Green Lantern with a gun who was also Islamic? Turned into a pretty decent and well rounded character once he was out of Geoff Johns clutches.
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Rhyno posted:Turned into a pretty decent and well rounded character once he was out of Geoff Johns clutches. Awesome. He seemed like he had a lot of potential once you got past the silliness and in-your-face 'I'M MUSLIM SO WHAT, DEAL WITH IT *SHOOTS GUN*' poo poo that he first got advertised with. I do love Wiki's list of his powers though. 
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The people of Smallville are going to make America great again:
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Random Stranger posted:The people of Smallville are going to make America great again: I'm just amused that the Kryptonian scientist from a super-advanced civilization is building a log cabin.
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purple death ray posted:brown person: *exists* Frame this post and hang it in the Smithsonian
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https://twitter.com/79SemiFinalist/status/1004243128851652608
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site posted:it's amazing how quickly almost every complaint about america turns out to be from nazis who cant believe there might be someone who would want books about them dang ol coloreds and queers My complaint is that she debuted in one of the worst books to ever waste good covers, and literally nothing in it deserved to ever be referenced again. Salt the loving Earth on that one.
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America is a great character, but sadly her solo title really is very bad. It's not just clunky dialogue, it has a lot of issues with plotting and is rife with basic continuity errors. I don't mean continuity errors like, "Wolverine's claws were bone in this time period!" or whatever, I mean continuity errors like things randomly changing from scene to scene and the plot and stakes of the stories being wildly inconsistent.
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I’d have to go with Trivial Pursuit on this one, you can count Affleck as Batman over my cold dead body.
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Dewgy posted:I’d have to go with Trivial Pursuit on this one, you can count Affleck as Batman over my cold dead body. The Moops Clause of Trivial Pursuit clearly establishes Affleck is the correct answer.
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Since when did Trivial Pursuit put photos on the question cards?
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prefect posted:Since when did Trivial Pursuit put photos on the question cards? Based on the context given, some time between 1956 and 2016.
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Android Blues posted:America is a great character, but sadly her solo title really is very bad. It's not just clunky dialogue, it has a lot of issues with plotting and is rife with basic continuity errors. I don't mean continuity errors like, "Wolverine's claws were bone in this time period!" or whatever, I mean continuity errors like things randomly changing from scene to scene and the plot and stakes of the stories being wildly inconsistent. It genuinely comes off like the editor just ignored the book and that Rivera had the level of understanding and respect for the medium that leads to every newspaper article about comics getting the headline "BIFF! POW! NOT JUST FOR KIDS ANYMORE!!"
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I just wanted to point out, if "diversity bingo" grampa is reading, that like a dozen people have managed to say this is a bad comic without being chased out of the thread. It's entirely possible to dislike and criticise comics featuring minorities and not be racist.
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Dewgy posted:I’d have to go with Trivial Pursuit on this one, you can count Affleck as Batman over my cold dead body. I don't know, I'm pretty sure if you asked him Clooney would be very happy if everyone would forget he was ever Batman.
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purple death ray posted:I just wanted to point out, if "diversity bingo" grampa is reading, that like a dozen people have managed to say this is a bad comic without being chased out of the thread. It's entirely possible to dislike and criticise comics featuring minorities and not be racist. I tell myself it also helps to recognize that you're old and lame and that's why "holy menstruation" sounds weird as hell to you. drat kids.  (But that's "drat those kids, being different then me", not "drat those kids, they shouldn't be allowed to be different".) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LV0wTtiJygY prefect fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Nobody, including kids, says “holy menstruation”.
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