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Jose posted:what did they use as lube 2000 years ago olive oil. not extra virgin, obviously 
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its good to know israel is only accidentally committing war crimes
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Jun 5, 2018 16:50
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Jose posted:what did they use as lube 2000 years ago olive oil
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Jun 5, 2018 16:51
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GoluboiOgon posted:In sparta, young brides were dressed as young men and fake kidnapped, to ease the men into having sex with women. These same young men were forced into being bottoms for older spartans, until they got old enough to return the favor to another generation. The only thing the spartans were equal opportunity about was rape. An entire civilization where literally everyone is hyped up on martial propaganda and sexually traumatized. Can't imagine why it didn't last.
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Jun 5, 2018 16:53
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 love too #interact with #brands
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Jun 5, 2018 17:06
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Jun 5, 2018 17:10
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Zeroisanumber posted:An entire civilization where literally everyone is hyped up on martial propaganda and sexually traumatized. Can't imagine why it didn't last. it didnt last cause hoplite phallanx tactics evolved and sparta got caught flat footed. thebes innovated a new strategy to crack open the old phallanx blocks and crushed a spartan invasion despite 1. being attacked without warning and 2. being out numbered. spartas influence never recovered, by the time rome conquered greece a century and a half later sparta was so diminished it didnt even seek peace with sparta
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Zeroisanumber posted:An entire civilization where literally everyone is hyped up on martial propaganda and sexually traumatized. Can't imagine why it didn't last. Spartan culture lasted until they were forced to join the Achaean league, and even under Roman rule they were a tourist attraction for Romans to gawk at their weird customs. There was never any successful helot revolt, meaning hypothetically a society built on universal terrorism could last indefinitely without outside forces bringing change. I suppose you could see a similar parallel in the Antebellum South. Southern culture was martialized to the extent it was in order to permanently suppress all slave uprisings. There was no conceivable point at which a slave revolt could acquire the critical mass it'd need to overthrow the slaveocracy, because of all the institutions in place to prevent mass cooperation between slaves and to swiftly suppress any violent uprising that may have happened. The Slaveocracy may have never fallen apart according to its own internal contradictions, so long as the system of constant mobilization against slave rebellion was maintained. Pener Kropoopkin has issued a correction as of 17:17 on Jun 5, 2018 |
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Jun 5, 2018 17:13
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Jose posted:what did they use as lube 2000 years ago Not sure, but i do know that in athens, there was no expectation that being a bottom would be pleasurable, and to enjoy it made you "womanlike". It wasn't very effective i would guess.
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Jun 5, 2018 17:17
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gradenko_2000 posted:
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Jun 5, 2018 17:19
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Real hurthling! posted:it didnt last cause hoplite phallanx tactics evolved and sparta got caught flat footed. How did thebes pull that off
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Jun 5, 2018 17:22
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GoluboiOgon posted:Not sure, but i do know that in athens, there was no expectation that being a bottom would be pleasurable, and to enjoy it made you "womanlike". It wasn't very effective i would guess. i forget if its the greeks or the romans or both but having a beard was also "womanlike"
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Jun 5, 2018 17:23
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mastershakeman posted:How did thebes pull that off read up on battle of leuctra
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Jun 5, 2018 17:23
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Real hurthling! posted:read up on battle of leuctra That's really cool I hope someday black bloc folks use phalanx tactics to push against kettling
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Jun 5, 2018 17:33
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Real hurthling! posted:olive oil that's why there's a mountain of discarded olive oil amphorae near rome
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Jun 5, 2018 17:35
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LegoPirateNinja posted:that's why there's a mountain of discarded olive oil amphorae near rome They also bathed with it.
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Jun 5, 2018 17:40
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mastershakeman posted:How did thebes pull that off As Real Hurthling said, Battle of Leuctra. For ages by the time of Leuctra the dynamics of a hoplite phalanx encounter were pretty straightforward: the armies square off in an open space where both parties can get into order, the pike blocks move at each other with the best troops traditionally grouped at the right wing of the formation, the blocks shove and poke at each other with missile skirmisher and light cavalry assistance, one one block breaks the other side pursues and tries to run down/spear/capture as many as possible. The Spartans usually fought as the leaders of a 'coalition' of subordinate and actually subject peoples from the Peloponnese, and the contingent of actual spartiate rape-nazis always filled the right wing of the infantry phalanx. The Spartans usually won phalanx encounters because their right wing would punch through the left of whomever they faced, and the rest of the formation would collapse and run rather than risk getting overlapped on one side and surrounded. The Theban general Epaminondas devised a counter that worked directly against the spartans' strength. Instead of deploying his phalanx in a straight-line pike block as tradition dictated, he had them advance in a oblique (\) formation. He more than doubled the depth of his left flank, so that the troops there marched 50-men deep as opposed to the usual 12-deep phalanx formation, and massed his cavalry beyond his left wing so that it could deliver the strongest punch possible when unleashed. The Theban center and left were deployed deliberately thing, 12-deep or less, and their advance was staggered, so that the front of the Theban pike line made more an angle to the Spartans than the set of parallel lines two opposing hoplite armies usually formed. Epaminondas also threw out his light troops, skirmishers with slings and javelins, to screen the lighter middle and right of the Theban phalanx, to delay actual contact between the Theban center and right with the Spartan center and left as long as possible. All this worked out such that when the two armies finally clashed, the deepened Theban right wing smashed into the still only 12-deep Spartan left, where all the actual Spartans in the Peloponnese army were, while the Spartan right and middle (full of non-Spartans obliged to serve the rape nazis for one reason or another) was still lumbering forward, trying to get to grips with their opposing Thebans under a steady rain of arrows and stones. The Theban left, which Epaminondas commanded personally and where the justly lauded Sacred Band was deployed, overwhelmed the Spartan right by sheer weight and momentum, and the mighty Spartans either ran or died where they stood. Seeing their Spartans run the rest of the Peloponnese army, who were only on that field in the first place because the Spartans would've murdered their families and burned their homes if they'd refused to come out and fight, felt no great reason to also die under Theban spears and ran too. That wasn't the last battle the Spartans fought by any stretch (that was in the 5th or 6th century, during one of the Gothic invasions of Roman Greece), or even the last time they featured importantly in the history of Greece, but they were never held hegemonia in the country again.
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mastershakeman posted:That's really cool literally the thing kettling is designed to prevent the phalanx's key weakness, as the romans learned painfully in the first one of their wars that wasn't on flat plains, and as the spartans learned painfully pretty much any time they tried to flex outside home territory, was that the second anyone gets behind it the whole thing falls to poo poo in a huge way
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https://twitter.com/adamjohnsonNYC/status/1004052810911092737
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Jun 5, 2018 18:56
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our nuclear-backed military ethnostate is being grievously threated by......ARSON KITES!! 
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Ze Pollack posted:literally the thing kettling is designed to prevent I figured if you had organized pushing you could overwhelm and brwak out . It's not like the cops doing kettling are attacking with spears If not pushing out, how do you beat kettling without weapons (which get you shot)
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Jun 5, 2018 21:34
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BEWARE: Our civilizations words are backed by attack kites!
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mastershakeman posted:I figured if you had organized pushing you could overwhelm and brwak out . It's not like the cops doing kettling are attacking with spears an unarmed mass breaks a kettle the same way Epaminondas broke the Spartan Right at Leuctra: a coordinated push at a specific point of the kettling formation. riot police shield lines are kind of terrible by the standards of a real sword-and-board military force, they almost never march or fight more than one or two ranks deep and they don't know how to properly brace their shields together or against the backs of the pigs in the ranks ahead of them to make the formation more stable than mere numbers would suggest. If a kettled group all surges in one direction, ideally whichever side of the kettle has the least density of pig ranks, shear mass and momentum will smash right through, but that requires the discipline for the mass to all surge at once, in one direction, while also accepting the fact that the kettled group will suffer casualties from simply trampling over whoever gets knocked down in the rush. it's a lot to ask from an ad hoc street protest
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mastershakeman posted:I figured if you had organized pushing you could overwhelm and brwak out . It's not like the cops doing kettling are attacking with spears kettling isn't that strong a tactic. it just takes advantage of the fact that the police are an organized group with central leadership and active coordination by radio. it could easily be overwhelmed if the protesters all acted with similar coordination. but protests don't have that level of coordination, so they end up in a state of confusion while the cops force them all into one area so that they can concentrate their forces and maintain control over the overall scene aside from what zeal mentioned, a kettle is also extremely vulnerable to attacks from outside. a relatively small group suddenly pushing the cops from behind could easily break the lines
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i mean, sure a kettle could easily be broken but breaking a kettle means the cops get to loving wail on you, arrest you, and potentially shoot you for it its not just that protestors are unorganized, but also severely lacking any sort of power or potential action beyond "break kettle" its not like back in the day when law enforcement was afraid of large crowds. they're ready for that now and seemingly far more likely to resort to extreme violence, as is their prerogative
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trying to “break a kettle” tactically is some nerd rear end theorycrafting you break it by the crowd being so large there’s no possible way for the police to surround it
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also yeah its pointless in that if you did have a disciplined enough protest that actually rushed the police lines, at least in america, this would work only for as long as it took the police to start shooting with live rounds
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Yandat posted:also yeah its pointless in that if you did have a disciplined enough protest that actually rushed the police lines, at least in america, this would work only for as long as it took the police to start shooting with live rounds american police aren't likely to use live rounds on a protest. they'll use rubber bullets and bear mace and beat the poo poo out of everyone and then quietly execute perceived leaders days or weeks later.
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Jun 6, 2018 06:04
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lmao at the Palestinian ambassador at 2:08 calling it an epic fail.
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Jun 6, 2018 06:11
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Spartan culture lasted until they were forced to join the Achaean league, and even under Roman rule they were a tourist attraction for Romans to gawk at their weird customs. There was never any successful helot revolt, meaning hypothetically a society built on universal terrorism could last indefinitely without outside forces bringing change. Modern sparta (essentially built on top of the tiny village that remained of Sparta in the 19th century) is the single most right wing city in Greece. Probably just a coincidence but still pretty fitting.
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RaySmuckles posted:its good to know israel is only accidentally committing war crimes *slips on a banana peel and wipes out thousands*
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Jun 6, 2018 10:14
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then who or what were they aimed at
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zeal posted:As Real Hurthling said, Battle of Leuctra. Another thing that is overlooked but really laudable for Epaminondas is that he was the one who freed the Messenes from centuries old slavery under the Spartans, building a big fortified city for them and putting a theban garrison to protect them from Spartan counterattacks and look and behold, the Messenes never fell again to the Spartans and became a free Polis for the first time since like 400 years. E: Until Alexander and the Macedonians but hey they are way less odious overlords in any case. Plutonis has issued a correction as of 15:28 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Plutonis posted:Another thing that is overlooked but really laudable for Epaminondas is that he was the one who freed the Messenes from centuries old slavery under the Spartans, building a big fortified city for them and putting a theban garrison to protect them from Spartan counterattacks and look and behold, the Messenes never fell again to the Spartans and became a free Polis for the first time since like 400 years. Alexander didn't try to conquer Sparta though, which is the only bitch move in his entire career.
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Yinlock posted:then who or what were they aimed at Obviously she jumped in the way of a harmless warning shot, as a propaganda tactic to make Israel look bad.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Alexander didn't try to conquer Sparta though, which is the only bitch move in his entire career. That was ol one-eyed Phil II who got the famous laconic 'If' letter, and he never bothered going after them because the Spartans leaving the Amphyctionic Council in a huff and taking their vote with them didn't actually do anything to stop him becoming hegemon When Alexander asserted his right to inherit his father's hegemonia at the Amphyctionic Council all the Spartans did was withdraw their representative to the council the Spartans staged a revolt against Macedonian hegemony after Alex crossed over to Asia Minor, and that might've amounted to something if the great Greek mercenary general Memnon had succeeded in bringing the Persian Empire's Mediterranean Fleet to Greece to assist, but Memnon died of illness in the Aegean islands, and the fleet's ships went back to their component satrapies. Even so, almost half of Spartan King Agis III's army was composed of Greeks who'd survived the destruction of Persian army in Syria by Alexander. The Spartans et. al. faced the Macedonians under Antipater at Megalopolis, managed to break part of the Macedonians' line at one point, but were still overwhelmed and defeated, with the already mortally wounded Agis III killed leading a doomed rearguard action. The Spartans never made much ruckus against Macedonian hegemony again, at least within Alexander's lifetime. 1994 Toyota Celica has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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People in israel are super butthurt about this and it owns.
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