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When do the IJN capital ships get their rocket AA upgrade?
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Jun 6, 2018 05:39
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Robo Captain posted:When do the IJN capital ships get their rocket AA upgrade? ? ...what rocket AA \/ These don't look very useful. Saint Celestine fucked around with this message at 06:03 on Jun 6, 2018 |
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Jun 6, 2018 05:42
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Saint Celestine posted:? ...what rocket AA this one http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_12cm_AA_Rocket.php#mountnote2 as far as I'm aware they only saw service IRL on the Unryū class carriers.
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Jun 6, 2018 05:58
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Take it out for upgrades, and at the same time start a major upgrade cycle on your aircraft. The guy who posted that your stuff is out of date is right. Even allowing for retraining you'll see less casualties with better aircraft, and more dead bombers.
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Jun 6, 2018 07:26
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Take time out for the KB now.
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Jun 6, 2018 08:02
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Yeah, as much as you can also upgrade your planes - well as much as you're willing to do with the system you have. The AI should probably spend the next month focused on Truk and Wake so you should have the time to do it.
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Jun 6, 2018 08:39
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I mean, the IJN rocket AA would certainly be more useful than the rocket AA the British developed (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unrotated_projectile). Not that this means it would actually be particularly useful, but anything's better than a system which is both worthless AND can cause damage to your own ship if it's a bit windy.
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Jun 6, 2018 08:49
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wedgekree posted:Yeah, as much as you can also upgrade your planes - well as much as you're willing to do with the system you have. The AI should probably spend the next month focused on Truk and Wake so you should have the time to do it. you'd think, but the bloody game won't let me change upgrade paths for some reason. This is part of the reason we have so many old planes flying around, as I can't change those squadrons to anything that exists before '45. Grr.
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Jun 6, 2018 08:54
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Grey Hunter posted:you'd think, but the bloody game won't let me change upgrade paths for some reason. This is part of the reason we have so many old planes flying around, as I can't change those squadrons to anything that exists before '45. That.. Somehow sounds like this game. Pleasure to see you keep playing and consider me astounded to have followed you since you began and you still going with it. And.. Does anyone know how to do that (change the upgrade paths) based on his settings?
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Jun 6, 2018 09:06
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Grey Hunter posted:you'd think, but the bloody game won't let me change upgrade paths for some reason. This is part of the reason we have so many old planes flying around, as I can't change those squadrons to anything that exists before '45. Grey: There is a game setting: Player Defined Upgrades, you can turn it on or off during your game. Turned off it means you are limited to the upgrade path defined in the scenario, turned on you can choose any available planes within the same category. Since you are getting slaughtered I would reconmend to turn it to ON, so you can decide where to put which planes yourself. In order to upgrade you need a lvl 5 airfield and enough supplies, fly your planes to big bases , upgrade them there and fly them back I Will post a printscreen later
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Jun 6, 2018 10:40
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Sound of head thumping on a desk......
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Jun 6, 2018 12:28
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LOL
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Jun 6, 2018 12:43
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wasn't it transparently obvious that Grey was playing PDU Off when Nates were taking to the air in '43
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Jun 6, 2018 13:08
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Grey Hunter posted:Sound of head thumping on a desk...... Based on that sound I Guess you found the PDU setting. Look at the bright side: any pilots that survived 2 years in crappy planes against the Allies, means that you have some really good pilots with excellent defense values Trick now is to retool the Japanese aircraft and engine industry to good models
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Jun 6, 2018 13:38
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TheFlyingLlama posted:this one http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNJAP_12cm_AA_Rocket.php#mountnote2 
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Jun 6, 2018 14:22
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Grey Hunter posted:Sound of head thumping on a desk...... 1944, supreme commander Grey unlocks a secret after years of fighting. IJAAS rejoice.
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Jun 6, 2018 16:38
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benzine posted:1944, supreme commander Grey unlocks a secret after years of fighting. IJAAS rejoice. All 4 remaining survivors of the Japanese air force rejoice.
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Jun 6, 2018 19:54
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:wasn't it transparently obvious that Grey was playing PDU Off when Nates were taking to the air in '43 He said the same thing two or three years ago, when asked why he was still flying so many Nates. Apparently, nobody who read it then knew about that button either.
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Jun 6, 2018 20:07
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On the upside by 1945 when the Allies have thier ten CV's out he'll have better planes and a full strength carrier force to meet them! Good luck wtih getting the upgrades in and your air force up to full strength. And you probably can make fewer Helens
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Jun 6, 2018 22:40
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The fact that we're like 10 years into watching Grey play this game and new mechanics/options/controls are still popping up is wildly hilarious to me
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Jun 6, 2018 22:49
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KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:wasn't it transparently obvious that Grey was playing PDU Off when Nates were taking to the air in '43 I brought up the Nates way back when (flying out of Jaluit, maybe?) and I think PDU was mentioned but perhaps not really explained at the time. 5 June 1944 Everybody knows what happens on June 6, but minesweepers had already been out working to clear parts of the Channel. USS Osprey got unlucky and hit one of those mines.
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Jun 7, 2018 01:19
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in my defense I didn't know you could change it in the middle of the game
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Jun 7, 2018 01:22
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Someone needs to write the conversation in the Japanese High Command when they discovered this. I'm guessing no one wanted to admit to the mistake to the Emperor for 3 years.
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Jun 7, 2018 02:46
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The airforce will find a way to blame the army.
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Jun 7, 2018 03:07
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   Bloody banshees.  This is a nice looking raid.  There a fewer raids on Rabaul today.   That was a really quiet day. But I'm not complaining to much – my planes need to replenish, and my troops rest up. I continue to try different option to try and get my bombers in Hankow to attack Chunking.  That's just random.
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Jun 7, 2018 04:47
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Oh, again?
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Jun 7, 2018 04:50
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Good luck! And good luck on figuring out how to do upgrades as well so you can get better planes. And sending the KB in for refit or keeping it around for now? And good luck again figuring out how to setup the upgrade path to be non-borked.
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Jun 7, 2018 05:06
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I swear that button wasn't there when I first started playing..... Upgrades complete, I've got a long rear end buffer, but we should start seeing Tojos around mid month - I have plenty in stores, so I can get them out to Rabaul quickly. I've retooled my production to take account of this. We should see some real changed by the end of the month!
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Jun 7, 2018 05:24
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I played with PDU off in my allies game for nearly a year and then turned it off out of frustration, because it's really kind of silly to expect that every squadron follows the upgrade path it used historically unless you're intentionally stationing units in their historical location. There's also the fact that there are a bunch of weird upgrade paths that result from the game allowing only one aircraft type per squadron. For example, the Flying Tigers upgrading from H-81s to P-40Es when they used both simultaneously (they flew whatever they could get flying) or one of the 10th Air Force successor units upgrading from P-40Es to P-43A-1s (of which you only get like 8, not enough to equip a full squadron) and then back to P-40Ks. It also meant that certain airgroups took a long time to get upgrades, since even though you have 300 P-40Es in the pool this one squadron of P-36s isn't scheduled to upgrade until a late war variant. You also can't downgrade a group to a previously used variant, which means you really run your pools low in 1942. The worst part is the billion different Hurricane variants you get in the Burma theater that you can't mix. I guess PDU off would be a useful tool to prevent the Allies from being too powerful early in the game (so they can't freely rotate their best aircraft to frontline units) but after about mid-42 it becomes more and more illogical as your own scenario diverges from history. For the Japanese it's even more illogical, since aside from letting army units flying navy planes (which you can't do anyway, since the IJN and IJA are counted as separate factions), the Army and Navy had practically complete control over doctrines and production. Add to that the fact that your aircraft industry can seriously vary depending on player control and resource/oil inputs into your economy, and PDU off makes no sense except for maybe the first 6 months, where you won't have much choice of aircraft anyway.
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Jun 7, 2018 05:38
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a modernized Japanese Air Force is really gonna gently caress up the Allies something awful I'll tell you what
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Jun 7, 2018 05:54
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Grey Hunter posted:I swear that button wasn't there when I first started playing..... Awesome Grey! Glad to see that you're getting this in and fixed. Hopefully it makes for a more interesting endgame if you have an intact carrier grou pwtih modern planes (for the IJN) and enough pilots surviving to have decent experience. Way to go! And decided to do the carriers and thier escorts for upgrades or not yet? wedgekree fucked around with this message at 07:06 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 06:19
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barman posted:Grey: There is a game setting: Player Defined Upgrades, you can turn it on or off during your game. Turned off it means you are limited to the upgrade path defined in the scenario, turned on you can choose any available planes within the same category. Since you are getting slaughtered I would reconmend to turn it to ON, so you can decide where to put which planes yourself. oh my loving god this game
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Jun 7, 2018 07:45
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Tiler Kiwi posted:oh my loving god this game It's not even universal - at Rabaul (tons of supplies, air base, large airfield.), I can upgrade the ground based air, but not the ship - even when I transfer them to the ground!
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Jun 7, 2018 07:53
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Excellent Grey. This Will certainly keep this LP even more interesting , looking forward to it . If I can help out in any other way , Please let me know
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Jun 7, 2018 09:03
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The one good thing about this is I have 500 Tojo's in stores, so we should see a mass of them when they go into action.
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Jun 7, 2018 10:42
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Grey Hunter posted:It's not even universal - at Rabaul (tons of supplies, air base, large airfield.), I can upgrade the ground based air, but not the ship - even when I transfer them to the ground! Careful now. Not all IJN zero variants are carrier capable, same as the corsair-trap for the allied player. But yeah, get to A6M5c ASAP for the sweet sweet armor.
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Jun 7, 2018 10:57
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Grey Hunter posted:The one good thing about this is I have 500 Tojo's in stores, so we should see a mass of them when they go into action. "Wikipedia posted posted:The Nakajima Ki-44 Shōki (鍾馗, Zhong Kui) was a single-engine fighter aircraft used by the Imperial Japanese Army Air Force in World War II. The type first flew in August 1940 and entered service in 1942. The Allied reporting name was "Tojo"; the Japanese Army designation was "Army Type 2 Single-Seat Fighter" (二式単座戦闘機).
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Jun 7, 2018 11:33
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Okay I am officially stoked
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Jun 7, 2018 12:56
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yeah the Ki-44 can actually kill other airplanes vs the Ki-43 which merely slightly annoys them with the feathery touch of its low-velocity 12.7mms
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Jun 7, 2018 13:58
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Comstar posted:something something Caseless 40mm wait.... whut? Anyone have any info on this?
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