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Thug Lessons posted:Aren't you the dude who deliberately opted out of organ donation even though you ride a motorcycle and came into this thread to brag about it? We don't need big words like "misanthropy"; you're just a gigantic selfish rear end in a top hat. Something we can agree on, at last! (Seriously, why would you ever opt out of organ donation? I can understand wussy religious reasons, but didn't that dude just opt out for no reason? After you're dead, you're just meat. Even a solipsist misanthrop would see nothing wrong with donating, you'd have to actively hate humanity to decide against organ donation.)
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icantfindaname posted:This thread is great when it’s talking about science and not so great when it’s sanctimonious Kant impersonator vs edgelord left-wing misanthrope slapfight To be fair, I loved all those sanctimonious edgelord questions aka "two mutant vampire bears are attacking, one attacks the love of your life, a human, the other a useless dirty leech filled with dangerous diseases, you only have one rocket-launcher, which one do you shoot" as if those would ever solve philosophical questions
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Libluini posted:Something we can agree on, at last! (Seriously, why would you ever opt out of organ donation? I can understand wussy religious reasons, but didn't that dude just opt out for no reason? After you're dead, you're just meat. Even a solipsist misanthrop would see nothing wrong with donating, you'd have to actively hate humanity to decide against organ donation.) That's not fair, he could also be a conspiracy theorist. 
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call to action posted:I don't believe humans are uniquely special and I also don't believe that's misanthropy. Careful, these sort of views might be considered repugnant in this thread.
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Thug Lessons posted:Well at the most basic level you're either adding new capacity or you aren't. They're importing Canadian hydro power, which already has plenty of domestic customers, from 30, 50, 80 year-old dams. It can "raise Massachusetts's renewables rate" while doing absolutely nothing for the environment, essentially giving the utilities a billion dollars to build a completely unnecessary 150-mile transmission line across the wilderness so that a bureaucrat can make the numbers on a graph look nicer. Well, you see, the mere presence of wind turbines off the coast of Boston would upset precious neoliberal sensibilities. Think of the seagulls that might be damaged by such a project!
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let me explain to you how all of this works. an ecosystem has a sort of collective intelligence and when a population exceeds its boundaries, the ecosystem works (on a timescale that we as humans can't comprehend) to limit that population's success. that is what's now happening to us at the moment. now, we are the single smartest factor in the ecosystem that is earth's biosphere, and in the short-to-medium term we can outwit the efforts of any other species to limit us in our survival. but we can't outwit the long-term genius of the whole
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this broken hill posted:let me explain to you how all of this works. an ecosystem has a sort of collective intelligence and when a population exceeds its boundaries, the ecosystem works (on a timescale that we as humans can't comprehend) to limit that population's success. that is what's now happening to us at the moment. now, we are the single smartest factor in the ecosystem that is earth's biosphere, and in the short-to-medium term we can outwit the efforts of any other species to limit us in our survival. but we can't outwit the long-term genius of the whole The notion of an intelligent, necessarily-stable ecosystem is teleological; nature doesn't have this anthromorphic drive.
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I don't think you need to go all the way to intelligent-stable-anthropomorphic to recognize the systemically self-correcting 'nature' of... nature. We probably can outwit the long-term genius of the whole, but probably only by way of very painful learning experiences over a millennia or centuries at best. Point is, even though we will someday probably/hopefully transcend earth's biosphere, in the meaningful-horizon future of 50 - 100 years we* sure as poo poo won't. * the billions of us, not some handful of billionaires and scientists
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this broken hill posted:i got un-permabanned, i just had to promise i would never again assassinate a sitting president What about a standing president?
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When an eco-system self corrects it burns down, and then an entirely new ecosystem takes its place. There is no balance in nature.
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this broken hill posted:let me explain to you how all of this works. an ecosystem has a sort of collective intelligence and when a population exceeds its boundaries, the ecosystem works (on a timescale that we as humans can't comprehend) to limit that population's success. that is what's now happening to us at the moment. now, we are the single smartest factor in the ecosystem that is earth's biosphere, and in the short-to-medium term we can outwit the efforts of any other species to limit us in our survival. but we can't outwit the long-term genius of the whole My dude the earth is not some self-correcting harmonious system guided by the steady and invisible hand of a genius, it has spent the last ~4 billion years just blindly and wildly barreling from one massive catastrophe to the next, repeatedly destroying the majority of all life, re-emerging each time in increasingly asinine and doomed configurations built on only the most tenuous and illusory foundations of stability, under the ever negligent and capricious care of a retarded and violent Gaia. Its only destiny is to die. Morbus fucked around with this message at 22:06 on Jun 3, 2018 |
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Morbus posted:My dude the earth is not some self-correcting harmonious system guided by the steady and invisible hand of a genius, it has spent the last ~4 billion years just blindly and wildly barreling from one massive catastrophe to the next, repeatedly destroying the majority of all life, re-emerging each time in increasingly asinine and doomed configurations built on only the most tenuous and illusory foundations of stability, under the ever negligent and capricious care of a retarded and violent Gaia. Its only destiny is to die. aka the Medea hypothesis.
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Morbus posted:My dude the earth is not some self-correcting harmonious system guided by the steady and invisible hand of a genius, it has spent the last ~4 billion years just blindly and wildly barreling from one massive catastrophe to the next, repeatedly destroying the majority of all life, re-emerging each time in increasingly asinine and doomed configurations built on only the most tenuous and illusory foundations of stability, under the ever negligent and capricious care of a retarded and violent Gaia. Its only destiny is to die. This man speaks the truth.
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Morbus posted:My dude the earth is not some self-correcting harmonious system guided by the steady and invisible hand of a genius, it has spent the last ~4 billion years just blindly and wildly barreling from one massive catastrophe to the next, repeatedly destroying the majority of all life, re-emerging each time in increasingly asinine and doomed configurations built on only the most tenuous and illusory foundations of stability, under the ever negligent and capricious care of a retarded and violent Gaia. Its only destiny is to die.
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Life on this planet has only been asinine for a few thousand years, though. Before that, it was merely equine, and only for 50 million years or so.
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https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1003652589370540033
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Eh, I don't really think it's misanthropy to state that I, along with most of my other fellow humans, don't really add poo poo to the world, on balance. I think it's pretty dumb to destroy something that can create something as cool as humanity in order to let more dumb zeroes populate the earth. I do think it's pretty funny that it's considered 'repugnant' to care about anything besides your own dumb loving progeny though
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The heat across Northern Europe has been nuts for May, with historical records getting broken from Germany (which also beat its April record) and Poland in the south, to Svalbard in the north, and the UK in the west. Wasn't even just by a little bit here in Denmark, it was a full 1.2C. I saw some projections that the US might have been on its way to beat its own record too? Presumably they got their heat from the south, just like Northern Europe got Mediterranean heat? Looking forward to the year where the heat pushes all the way past us and into the Arctic instead.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:The heat across Northern Europe has been nuts for May, with historical records getting broken from Germany (which also beat its April record) and Poland in the south, to Svalbard in the north, and the UK in the west. Wasn't even just by a little bit here in Denmark, it was a full 1.2C. I saw some projections that the US might have been on its way to beat its own record too? Presumably they got their heat from the south, just like Northern Europe got Mediterranean heat? Looking forward to the year where the heat pushes all the way past us and into the Arctic instead. I know weather |= climate, but holy gently caress it's been completely surreal. An actual proper drought in May with an average 4,2 degrees above normal, which completely eradicated previous heat wave records from the previous 100 years. I know it's just an anomaly and that it doesn't mean anything, but it's still unsettling.
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call to action posted:Eh, I don't really think it's misanthropy to state that I, along with most of my other fellow humans, don't really add poo poo to the world, on balance. I think it's pretty dumb to destroy something that can create something as cool as humanity in order to let more dumb zeroes populate the earth. I do think it's pretty funny that it's considered 'repugnant' to care about anything besides your own dumb loving progeny though To describe your fellow humans as "more dumb zeroes" is a pretty good definition of misanthropy.
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Nice piece of fish posted:I know weather |= climate, but holy gently caress it's been completely surreal. An actual proper drought in May with an average 4,2 degrees above normal, which completely eradicated previous heat wave records from the previous 100 years. I know it's just an anomaly and that it doesn't mean anything, but it's still unsettling.
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CountFosco posted:To describe your fellow humans as "more dumb zeroes" is a pretty good definition of misanthropy. It's also pretty objectively true, though. Fulfulling self-created needs doesn't count as purpose - I'm glad mothers love their children, etc. but none of it's worth it at the cost of the only place humanity can live.
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call to action posted:It's also pretty objectively true, though. Fulfulling self-created needs doesn't count as purpose - I'm glad mothers love their children, etc. but none of it's worth it at the cost of the only place humanity can live. There is no inherent purpose to anything dude? Our species survival holds no more inherent value than a mother's love for her child. Or me taking a poo poo.
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Notorious R.I.M. posted:aka the Medea hypothesis. A good book if any of yall haven't read it yet.
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The arctic is getting hosed up right now. Big hot storms. death is certain
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If you take a hand full of robot parts and computer chips and throw them up into the air, then one time out of a hundred billion they will fall to the ground in such a way that it assembles a robot A.I. capable of thinking. That robot will then think that it was intelligently designed and that its life must have some kind of meaning. The world is the way it is because none of the other random combinations that occured produced life to ask questions about it. I don't think that is misanthropic because although nothing we do has value in a cosmic sense, it does have value due to our evolution. I care about other people because that is something that I and most other humans have evolved to do. I care about the suffering global warming will cause because I evolved to have empathy. Humans have evolved to think that rare things are valuable, and nothing is more rare than the life forms that have evolved on earth. I like to create things and seeing things needlessly destroyed makes me sad, so I am an environmentalist. No "why" is needed beyond that's how I and most other humans are wired. Humans are tribal and we sometimes have difficulty solving problems because we can't get everyone to see that all humans are part of one big tribe. Appealing to things like the inherent value of nature or the purpose of life seems like a way to try to get around that problem by inventing a rallying point we can all get around. WorldsStongestNerd fucked around with this message at 04:43 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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It’s early but does anyone know or have thoughts if the Carbon Engineering stuff is legit, or how helpful it could end up being? http://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/562289/
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I did a little reading on geoengineering recently. Nothing in depth, but it gave me the impression that we can expect a trickle of helpful technologies going forward. At first blush, it looks like the stuff of [compliment to a baseline emissions-reduction strategy] predictions.
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So It Goes posted:It’s early but does anyone know or have thoughts if the Carbon Engineering stuff is legit, or how helpful it could end up being?
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spf3million posted:The costs they advertise are pretty low and it looks like a pretty rigorous study. Unfortunately their process conveniently ends with a pure CO2 steam. Nothing about what to ultimately do with that stream and really that's the hardest part.
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Scott Pruitt claimed that human activity is not the largest factor causing global climate change, so a judge ordered him to prove it after a lawsuit. I think he might have softened his disbelief a bit since, so it might be worth checking up on this case later.
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Evil_Greven posted:Scott Pruitt claimed that human activity is not the largest factor causing global climate change, so a judge ordered him to prove it after a lawsuit. I'm not holding my breath for a reaction; the mere notion that Pruitt is still a public administratior week after week of increasingly-severe misconduct reflects an utter breakdown of accountability and enforcement.
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https://twitter.com/ZLabe/status/1006384009826394112 This, too, is fine.
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So It Goes posted:It’s early but does anyone know or have thoughts if the Carbon Engineering stuff is legit, or how helpful it could end up being? This is somewhat similar to the CarbFix that I was posting about earlier, and it looks like they're both headed to the same goal, $100/ton of CO2. Also both funded in part by Bill Gates. It is legit; both of these are in actual use , so it isn't theoretical. Getting the cost down will be the main goal, I would assume. I guess one question would be, assuming that we have this technology and can deploy it at a large scale starting in 2025 or so, what would be the goal for CO2 levels? Stable at current year levels or would we want to revert back to pre-industrial 270ppm if we could? The latter could end up with a lot of biomass dying off.
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Arkane posted:This is somewhat similar to the CarbFix that I was posting about earlier, and it looks like they're both headed to the same goal, $100/ton of CO2. Also both funded in part by Bill Gates. What's the energy budget for the process? How does it compare to a change in agricultural practices to sequester carbon?
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VideoGameVet posted:What's the energy budget for the process? How does it compare to a change in agricultural practices to sequester carbon? I don't know the answer to these questions. I would imagine very minimal and much cheaper respectively. The current iteration of CarbFix runs in conjunction with a geoengineering plant, so it has created a negative emissions power plant.
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And it won't ever scale, for either capacity or price, just like all the rest.
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call to action posted:And it won't ever scale, for either capacity or price, just like all the rest. Which is why I cited "changing agricultural practices." That seems the most practical sequestration tech. And the "Impossible Burger" is decent.
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VideoGameVet posted:Which is why I cited "changing agricultural practices." That seems the most practical sequestration tech. The price for direct air capture of carbon has already fallen dramatically, so it is possible to see that trend continue.
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