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Tesseraction posted:"a casa loro" sounds more like the dogwhistle phrase "back where they came from" Geriatric Pirate
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If the slovenian guys wants to close down their borders to foreigners can I, as a Trieste citizen, demand the same? They cannot drive for poo poo, everytime i get a slovenian number plate in front i need to prepare for bullshit every time  Serioustalk: Shame about the right wing swing in SI, i have lot of friends that have bought nice houses in slovenia near the border and commute back here in Italy, in some cases they managed to save about 50% of their expected budget had they bought it here. SlowBloke fucked around with this message at 11:15 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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Jun 7, 2018 11:12
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Ahh, my friend the serial poolpooper strikes again!
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Jun 7, 2018 11:33
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Racism anecdote: once I got out of the horrible “work study contract” loop (becario) that a lot of English teachers have here in Spain and acquired a real job that paid real tax money, I qualified for that sweet sweet socialized healthcare. I got my Seguridad Social card and I registered at the health center in my town so I could be assigned a doctor. A couple months later I decided to start the process to get my GI problems finally looked at after a lifetime of “sorry you probably have IBS, tests are too expensive, just deal with it” answers I would get with my lovely American work insurance. Anyway, I met my new doctor who was very nice and curious about life in America, because she was considering moving there. She asked me stuff about the American health care system and I gladly answered. My parents are also doctors and so she was doubly interested in their experiences running a private practice, because a lot of Spanish doctors move to America just to make money apparently. I said that I was quite happy to use the public system here, on moral principles as well as economic reasons. She then pivoted to talking about “moros” and “sudacas” (perjorative terms for Moroccans and Latinos, respectively) coming here, stealing taxpayer dollars, stealing jobs from Spaniards, and abusing the system. She went from my initial impression of a sweet lady to a fire-breathing xenophobe at the drop of a hat. “Whoa whoa,” said I. “I’m an immigrant too. I teach English, which means a native teacher lost that opportunity. I lived here illegally for a while because of a massive fuckup in the visa renewal process because a bureaucrat lied to my face instead of doing his job. A lot of immigrants contribute to the system....” “No no,” she said, cutting me off, “You’re American, you’re one of the good ones, I’m talking about the sudacas, Colombians and Ecuadorians and such.” I then asked her that since my parents are Colombian immigrants and I’m the first generation born in America in my family, which group therefore do I belong to? The good ones or “sudacas de mierda”? She made a curious gulping sound, scheduled my appointment with a GI specialist, and called in the next patient. The next time I went to the doctor, I was surprised to find a different doctor attending me. He asked me bluntly what an American was doing in our small town. “ I married a Spanish woman,” I said. “Me too!” he replied with a knowing wink. He’s French and hilarious. Apparently my first doctor has a lot of babies and always gets the maximum amount of maternity leave so I’ll probably never see her again, and that’s fine with me.
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Jun 7, 2018 11:41
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DXH posted:I then asked her that since my parents are Colombian immigrants and I’m the first generation born in America in my family, which group therefore do I belong to? The good ones or “sudacas de mierda”? She made a curious gulping sound, scheduled my appointment with a GI specialist, and called in the next patient. oh that is so precious I'm making GBS threads the pool lauyghing
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Jun 7, 2018 13:04
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Tesseraction posted:"a casa loro" sounds more like the dogwhistle phrase "back where they came from" Mods, name change me to serial defecator tia. I wish i could share a hilarious racism story, but since i live in a country thats 97% white and work in IT, people of colour might as well be unicorns. That might actualy be the racism story, because statiscally there should be some people of colour, stem jobs are racist as gently caress.
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Jun 7, 2018 13:13
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DXH posted:I then asked her that since my parents are Colombian immigrants and I’m the first generation born in America in my family, which group therefore do I belong to? The good ones or “sudacas de mierda”? She made a curious gulping sound, scheduled my appointment with a GI specialist, and called in the next patient. Same exact background as yours, Colombian parents, born and raised in the States. However, I came and stayed in France, just replace Spanish woman with French woman. I have a Spanish accent in French and I've gotten some poo poo when renewing paperwork, until I pull out my American passport. And then they're all really nice and friendly. Most people I come across are fine, but they genuinely don't understand the idea of sharing two nationalities or having values that come from different cultures. I can tell them I'm Colombian-American, and they'll think I'm Colombian because of the accent, and ignore the last part. Or I'll say I'm the States and they'll disregard the Colombian part, not realizing that both parts are key to my identity.
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Jun 7, 2018 13:29
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Or that your identity shouldn't be completely determined by your ethnicity and culture.
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I suppose my racism anecdote is that a while back I was waiting at the bus stop after a few drinks and another fellow came over and we made small talk about when the bus would arrive. Then apropos of nothing he just suddenly asked "You know what the problem is these days? It's all the loving Pakis" After initially being taken aback I replied, "Well, I'd probably be a bit biased there, considering I'm Indian." and he looked like he'd been hit in the gut before saying "Ah well I mean the ones that come here and don't work, you're fine mate." but given he was on the back foot I started talking about how the vast majority of people who immigrate to the country net contribute regardless of whether or not they have a job. He was so stunned by my little revelation that he just agreed with everything I said before stumbling away. It was kinda funny how even a guy who could almost certainly have kicked my arse dropped the bravado in an instant.
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Mozi posted:Or that your identity shouldn't be completely determined by your ethnicity and culture. B-b-b-but my Blut and Boden 
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I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!
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Tesseraction posted:I suppose my racism anecdote is that a while back I was waiting at the bus stop after a few drinks and another fellow came over and we made small talk about when the bus would arrive. Then apropos of nothing he just suddenly asked "You know what the problem is these days? It's all the loving Pakis"
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suck my woke dick posted:B-b-b-but my Blut and Boden My first encounter with racism was as an exchsnge student in the UK, when another pupil refused to team up with me because of my origins. It stung quite a bit.
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Jun 7, 2018 16:29
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regarding KGB conspiracy theories: i've never met any people more prone to conspiratorial thinking than italians. its in their dna or their history or something. i blame the 70s
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Wild Horses posted:regarding KGB conspiracy theories: i've never met any people more prone to conspiratorial thinking than italians. its in their dna or their history or something. i blame the 70s Well, you're not paranoid if they're really out to get you.
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Jun 7, 2018 17:01
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Italian history is what the Deus Ex universe would look like IRL
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Wild Horses posted:regarding KGB conspiracy theories: i've never met any people more prone to conspiratorial thinking than italians. its in their dna or their history or something. i blame the 70s
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Jun 7, 2018 17:56
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mortons stork posted:Italian history is what the Deus Ex universe would look like IRL Old men... Running the world!
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Jun 7, 2018 17:57
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My people will continue to report on Conte's progress... within six months. Seriously though, every conspiracy theory you can think of has been in action in Italy. Freemasons wanting to take over the country? Check. Mafia collusion, political assassinations, government takeovers? Arguably check. Secret armed societies attempting revolution? Check. Several times over. If Versalife is ever founded, it will be in Italy.
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Jun 7, 2018 19:10
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mortons stork posted:My people will continue to report on Conte's progress... within six months. Lega will do so with a slight twist: VersusLife.
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Jun 7, 2018 20:28
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mortons stork posted:My people will continue to report on Conte's progress... within six months. The Italian nation would very probably have never been formed were it not for the role of secret societies (i.e. the Carbonari). There really are conspiracies, and I suspect that one of the reasons that they're discovered more often in Italy is due to the relatively chatty Italian culture.
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mortons stork posted:Italian history is what the Deus Ex universe would look like IRL Deus Ex is reality already. It got everything right.
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mortons stork posted:My people will continue to report on Conte's progress... within six months. Shibawanko posted:Deus Ex is reality already. It got everything right. 
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double nine posted:And I haven't been able to wax philosophy with a surveillance AI. I don't think anyway Then I thought about it and depressed myself.
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Jun 7, 2018 22:24
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Mikl posted:Just to give an example of how racism is endemic in Italy (might be the same in all countries, but still). It is the same in all countries, the question is mostly at what scale and how polite people are about it.
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double nine posted:And I haven't been able to wax philosophy with a surveillance AI. I don't think anyway
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Jun 8, 2018 07:48
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Dawncloack posted:I was going to make a joke about how you totally have, here in the forums or in tweeter. This is exactly what an AI would say. Im on to you "dawncloack". meanwhile,europe does cocaine! seriouslly dudes,a lot of cocaine.
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Jun 8, 2018 07:50
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double nine posted:Any fun literature on this to check out? I'm setting up my summer reading list anyway. Many of the events I refer to have taken place in the very recent history, and are far from clear even to us. I'm not even sure they may have garnered much attention outside of Italy. There are books in Italian, definitely, in English I am not so sure.
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ChainsawCharlie posted:This is exactly what an AI would say. Im on to you "dawncloack". I'm not sure what makes cocaine use more appealing, maybe it comes with the financial sector and it being akin to a performance drug, but it's weird how little coke use is in Portugal compared to its neighbours. The cocaine we get here is poo poo but that's not the reason I feel
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Char posted:Shout out to all the other Italgoons describing the situation we're in. We're more than I expected! E tu da dove sbuchi? Quindi ora siamo abbastanza per un hackbunny fucked around with this message at 12:18 on Jun 8, 2018 |
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Jun 8, 2018 12:14
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this is goddamn adorkable: https://twitter.com/chchristiaens/status/1005047776093327360 (in dutch)
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By the way, in case you were wondering how Italy's new government is going to do in terms of foreign policy: 1) Salvini claimed that Tunisia is exporting convicts to Italy. Unsurprisingly, the reaction from there was "the gently caress?" Link: http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/06/04/tunisia-stunned-by-salvini-on-exporting-convicts-3_c4da5f18-e8c7-450a-aab8-49ff45b8a726.html 2) Prime minister Conte first claimed he agreed with Trump's opinion that Russia should be reintegrated into the G8: http://www.ansa.it/english/news/2018/06/08/agree-with-trump-russia-should-return-to-g8-conte-2_889e9e21-bb1f-4ab5-90ee-20ab4a69949a.html But then pivoted back and claimed that only should happen "when the conditions are right": https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/jun/08/donald-trump-shows-no-sign-compromise-flies-in-g7-summit 
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Also, just to say what kind of person Salvini is, consider this. In Italy there's a big problem with immigrant workers being forced to work for peanuts in farms, super long hours in terrible conditions, especially in the South. For Americans, think Latinos working in farms in the south, it's more or less the same. Before the government was formed, an immigrant worker who was also a union leader and who was organising workers against farm owners, with protests, strikes and the like, was shot and killed by someone. (The police have recently arrested a farm owner for the crime.) Salvini failed to mention this on multiple occasions, and when asked whether he would go visit the South to check on the situation he replied "Yes, I will go, but first I have to go to [northern city, I forget which] where public transit employees are bullied and harassed by immigrants, and that's the real problem!"
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He's a Lega guy, isn't he? Must be a real dilemma for him, trying to decide who's worse between immigrants and southern Italians.
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So is Giuseppe Conte a Real Prime Minister with opinions and convictions of his own, or his he a total figurehead for the 5SM and Lega/Salvini? Nobody seems to know much about him since he has primarily been a lawyer, but could he conceivably have opinions that could clash with those of his deputy PMs, and since he is the actual PM, his would win?
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Fabulous Knight posted:So is Giuseppe Conte a Real Prime Minister with opinions and convictions of his own, or his he a total figurehead for the 5SM and Lega/Salvini? Nobody seems to know much about him since he has primarily been a lawyer, but could he conceivably have opinions that could clash with those of his deputy PMs, and since he is the actual PM, his would win? The second option you said. He was caught on Parliament microphones asking Di Maio permission to say something he wanted.
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To which Di Maio answered no. He's a puppet with two hands up his rear end.
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Reality is always dumber. Turns out he lost his notes somewhere and asked if he should admit it to the assembly. This is actually true and point to him being an utter moron anyway.
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 I'm the guys flanking Shinzo Abe.
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Kassad posted:
A psych professor could write an entire textbook just on the body language in this single picture. I'm John Bolton's moustache
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Mikl posted:A psych professor could write an entire textbook just on the body language in this single picture.
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