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AIkasuhito posted:Greece has earned some sort of compensation for all they went through, and gently caress Morocco anyway. This, and to be fair we're probably making Hungary and Bavaria perfect Punching bags for each other until one or both explode into Nationalism.
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C. This does not concern us at all. Better we not make enemies of those we might need later.
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A. Anything that fucks with Morocco is good for Al-Andalus.
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C Nothing good has come from meddling in the Balkans
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A not to help anyone, but simply to gently caress Moroncco. I can’t wait for Morocco to propose we get full control of Iberia and for us to say no just to spite them. Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 18:01 on Jun 7, 2018 |
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Nothing good has come from meddling in the Balkans We can flip of Morocco, tho, which is always cool and good
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Jun 7, 2018 18:00
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Is this even a question? Voting A.
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A for the relations gain. Taking a hit to the partitioned power and our mega rival matters not.
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A If this has a similar boost to relations a la the last vote, we'll be at +150 with Russia, +140 with Frangleterre, and +140 with Bavaria. We can lock down Russia as an ally here, and they'll be more likely to support us regaining Iberia if we give way to their desires for a sphere of influence in the benighted Balkans. Meanwhile, our only relation hits will be from a partitioned minor power in Serbia and from Morocco. And I think every patriotic Andalusian would agree that pissing off Morocco is actually an argument in favor of A. Ralepozozaxe posted:I can’t wait for Morocco to propose we get full control of Iberia and for us to say no just to spite them. It would be the hardest decision the Majlis ever faced. Mantis42 posted:Also it's going to be great when Morocco gets sidelined through the entire concert and ends up with nothing. It's going to be magical. Maybe things would have turned out different if this was the Congress of Marrakesh, but for some reason I can't quite recall that city isn't up to hosting an international event. 
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habeasdorkus posted:It's going to be magical. Maybe things would have turned out different if this was the Congress of Marrakesh, but for some reason I can't quite recall that city isn't up to hosting an international event. Perhaps Tangiers then, or Ceuta? Maybe Fez? No? 
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A I have no interest in the Balkans, but I do have an interest in infuriating the Moroccans and getting on the good side of Russia.
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habeasdorkus posted:A V2 restricts you to one GP ally at a time in the early game (expanding to multiple GP allies after The Great War unlocks sometime in the 1870s and 1880s). Not saying that having other GPs on really good terms with us is bad: Russia and Frangleterre (I am so down with that term) both backing us in a crisis situation could be very convenient. Frangleterre and Russia both have a bigger starting concern than us, though: preventing either Hannover or Bavaria from totally dominating Germany and bringing it together. As is, with the German states divided like they are, both of those countries are in a pretty sweet spot.
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Voting A for eventual Russian Pals points, as well as the fact that the Serbian Republic is obviously a failed state and trying to restore it would be nonsense. Surely Russia won't take advantage of these new balkanized states and will let their various peoples live in the spirit of self-determination. Surely. (The overwhelming motivation here, is, of course, screw Morocco).
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Not that it's necessary, but A
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Mirdini posted:the Serbian Republic is obviously a failed state and trying to restore it would be nonsense this but about Al-Andalus
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Captain Oblivious posted:A Yup. I vote for A
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A, let's keep working on that Russian-Frankish-Andalusi triumvirate.
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A Moroccan Peloponnese is going to become the world's largest poisoned chalice once nationalism hits and the Balkan states begin looking for an outside threat to blame their problems on.
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Thordain posted:A, let's keep working on that Russian-Frankish-Andalusi triumvirate. As in the tradition of the Second Triumvirate, with Andalus playing the role of checks clipboard Lepidus. A
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Jun 7, 2018 18:54
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All Aboard the gently caress Morocco train!
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Throwing a vote in for C
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Just one thing: I've edited the main post to specify that, in the event of a stalemate, the tie will be decided in favour of the side that has more great powers. And by great powers, I just been the 3 top dogs (Morocco, Russia, Hannover). You know, in case that becomes important later on.
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A has a 30+ margin right now, so almost everyone in al-Andalus appears to be on the "gently caress Morocco" train
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even if one of these ties is going to happen we'd need like 4 votes to salvage our relationship with morocco to something workable, and nah gently caress that, better to throw in with russia and france and appease hannover if we can
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A Landslide for A!
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I’m sure absolutely nothing will go wrong with the powers of central and Eastern Europe carelessly playing with all of the nations of the Balkans like a three year old plays with toys
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QuoProQuid posted:A has a 30+ margin right now, so almost everyone in al-Andalus appears to be on the "gently caress Morocco" train Yeah, so unless things change decisively over the next couple of hours, I'll end this vote and write the next one up real quick.
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Patter Song posted:Andalusize the Balkans. A
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Zikan posted:I’m sure absolutely nothing will go wrong with the powers of central and Eastern Europe carelessly playing with all of the nations of the Balkans like a three year old plays with toys Exactly, which is why I'm voting A 
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C This does not concern us.
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The Bold Kobold posted:C A Our goal in all of this is to build up international support for restoring our rightful territories: this vote is pretty clearcut in that Morocco is almost assuredly never going to vote for us, so boosting relations with Russia and Hungary is a clear win. The previous vote actually hurt us a bit as, while only Hanover was angered, they have two votes to France and Bavaria's one, and break ties on top of that. B may have been better as it also leaves France weak and western Europe divided into small states. Assuming a victory for A, that leaves Russia, Hungary, France, and Bavaria with highly positive relations and Hanover and Morocco with negative. The next vote, focused on the Near East, we just need to make sure we get at least one of the powers friendly towards us, giving us a slight majority (because, without Hanover, we won't win ties). Then of course we need to hope no one screws us over when it's our turn.
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If our goal was to ensure the peace and stability of Europe we'd go with B. But it's not. Our goal is to reclaim our rightful borders and return to great power status. Opposing the balkanization of western Europe in the last vote was wise because it bought us favor with a neighbor who might be needed when it comes time to take back that dagger Morocco planted in our back and helps support the idea that "natural" borders exist and ought to be restored. A united Balkans, however, is a wholly unnatural thing whose people share no common language, culture, religion of history. The only thing holding it together has been a particularly radical strain of Tirrunist Republicanism, and that will quickly fall away once a monarchy is installed. Instead let us extend an olive branch to Russia and go with A.
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Zikan posted:I’m sure absolutely nothing will go wrong with the powers of central and Eastern Europe carelessly playing with all of the nations of the Balkans like a three year old plays with toys It's nice that there isn't a "just make new states while not totally loving them over by randomly assigning territory to aggrieved existing states" option. Very historically appropriate.
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It's a shame that the other countries liked France well enough to help it as well. Would've been neat to thread the needle between a relations buff with France and leaving a buffer between France and the Pyrenees like some people wanted. So what would've happened if Al Andalus had voted the other way, leaving the vote split at an even 6/6? Zikan posted:I’m sure absolutely nothing will go wrong with the powers of central and Eastern Europe carelessly playing with all of the nations of the Balkans like a three year old plays with toys Well, the great powers haven't left us a don't gently caress with the balkans option, so you can either take or leave the two options. Poking around at past world maps, it seems like Serbia had a real rags to riches story. Most of its territory was ruled by Greece at around 1700, but then it popped up between Greece and Austria, and had some real extraordinary success picking away at Austria, Greece and the Latin Empire, and when Greece started pushing it back, it just changed the rules by going revolutionary. It might be nice to see what a republic of Serbia would be like moving forward, but it's easy to see why none of the powers of Europe want that, seeing as how they were hyper-aggressive. Option A is probably the more "natural" option that would've happened if the congress wasn't loving around. Greece probably would've even taken some hefty slices out of Serbia on its own if Morocco didn't keep stomping them into the dirt. Serbia already lost its western territories a while ago to separatist rebels, so slicing up the rest makes just as much sense. Relations-wise it'd sure be great if Al Andalus could be good buddies with Greece and Russia. I'm not even sure there's much of a culture difference problem, since a bunch of that territory fits in with the cultures it would be given to anyways. I can't think of any good reason for B. I guess if you like the Serbian monarchy and want them to be good buddies with Al Andalus? Would they get a vote in the congress? Maybe if you don't want Morocco too mad at you? I'm not sure how stable a resurrected Serbian kingdom would really be, since they collapsed once already and are surrounded by powers that want its territory and didn't want them to exist in the first place. All they'd do is defend Moroccan Greece from outside influence.
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