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Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Wheat Loaf posted:

Oh, it's always been around. Did anyone ever see that full-page ad someone took out in some magazine in the late 80s attacking Spaceballs and calling on all true Star Wars fans to boycott it to protest its hateful denigration of the sacred Jedi texts trilogy?

no but i need too.


thrawn527 posted:

Apparently Chuck Wendig is going off on lovely Star Wars fans on Twitter, and lovely Star Wars fans are responding in lovely ways.

https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1003981982957785088

https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1002174664842600449

https://twitter.com/ChuckWendig/status/1003983081748000768

I love Star Wars, but the fandom is starting to annoy me.

he is a meh writer at best but he isnt wrong.

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Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


I'd outright say that he kind of sucks. Last time he kind of brought it on himself. I wouldn't defend him except the other guys are Nazis.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

Casimir Radon posted:

I'd outright say that he kind of sucks. Last time he kind of brought it on himself. I wouldn't defend him except the other guys are Nazis.

It's kind of depressing how often I need to think that these days.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum
Yeah, being a bad author is one thing...being a lovely stupid nazi is waaaaay worse

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!
All these recent troubles haven't been Star Wars fans being awful. They're about society becoming, (or more accurately becoming more open about being) awful. Joe Schmoe who only does "normal" stuff like watch football and go to the bar with his buds has gotten just as bad. The nerd demographic wasn't the group who pushed Trump over the threshold after all.

Davros1
Jul 19, 2007

You've got to admit, you are kind of implausible



jivjov posted:

Yeah, being a bad author is one thing...being a lovely stupid nazi is waaaaay worse

https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1004123970625515522

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

galagazombie posted:

All these recent troubles haven't been Star Wars fans being awful. They're about society becoming, (or more accurately becoming more open about being) awful. Joe Schmoe who only does "normal" stuff like watch football and go to the bar with his buds has gotten just as bad. The nerd demographic wasn't the group who pushed Trump over the threshold after all.

I honestly think the nerd/consumer based identity demographic will always be toxic and lovely, even if they got rid of the bigots and the sexists and became progressive. there are still plenty of dickhead nerdy progressives who try to do dumb poo poo over nerd poo poo. the lovely dickhead undercurrent of nerd culture in general would just take a new shape. you have a ton of people trying to find genuine meaning and lessons in dumb pop culture poo poo and get into violent verbal(and probably physical) fights and poo poo when people disagree. God is dead and Bazinga has replaced him.

Dapper_Swindler fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Jun 6, 2018

Lily Catts
Oct 17, 2012

Show me the way to you
(Heavy Metal)
Yeah when you base your identity on a thing you get deathly defensive of it, especially when said thing is changing into something different from what you initially liked about it. Some people just have this ideal of Star Wars that often doesn't mesh with reality and they rail against it.

Dapper_Swindler
Feb 14, 2012

Im glad my instant dislike in you has been validated again and again.

Schneider Heim posted:

Yeah when you base your identity on a thing you get deathly defensive of it, especially when said thing is changing into something different from what you initially liked about it. Some people just have this ideal of Star Wars that often doesn't mesh with reality and they rail against it.

yeah. I just get sick of everything being a battlefield of stupid online culture wars because if something isnt the way i want it, its heresy. i feel bad for that actress and now its gonna be another giant thing.

galagazombie
Oct 31, 2011

A silly little mouse!

Schneider Heim posted:

Yeah when you base your identity on a thing you get deathly defensive of it, especially when said thing is changing into something different from what you initially liked about it. Some people just have this ideal of Star Wars that often doesn't mesh with reality and they rail against it.

But what I'm kind of trying to get at is that people do that with "Normal" non-nerd stuff too. Lots of people who like Football are good folks just like people who are Star Wars fans. But there are just as large a percentage of Football fans who are toxic as there are in any nerd hobby. It's really just that society has ingrained in most people that you're really not allowed to call out. With "Nerd" hobbies it's okay to point out the nastiness or ridiculousness, but try to call out sports fans and you'll get dogpiled before you can finish a sentence. Hell I think sports is even worse cause there's an aspect of nationalism/regionalism to it (Even if it's fake like with most American Pro-Teams). Like for some reason society (rightfully) calls out fans over this Stuff with Rose's actors instagram, but it's fine to be a garbage person about sports or cars or your lawn

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
I feel dumb for missing the Jedi Academy trilogy's "Luke is Jesus Christ and his students are the twelve disciples" metaphor.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


Arcsquad12 posted:

I feel dumb for missing the Jedi Academy trilogy's "Luke is Jesus Christ and his students are the twelve disciples" metaphor.

if exar kun is satan then no wonder he's the raddest sith

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
So does that make Kyp Durron Simon Peter or is he Doubting Thomas?

Preechr
May 19, 2009

Proud member of the Pony-Brony Alliance for Obama as President
I must have missed the part in the Bible where Saint Thomas used his freaky mind powers to crush Lord Xenu’s armada of space DC-10s, and then had his eyeballs melt out.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Preechr posted:

I must have missed the part in the Bible where Saint Thomas used his freaky mind powers to crush Lord Xenu’s armada of space DC-10s, and then had his eyeballs melt out.

It's somewhere in the back.

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



I just realised that I can't remember anything from those books other than Kip Dumbo and his Sun Smasher.

I'm free!

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

punchymcpunch posted:

I just realised that I can't remember anything from those books other than Kip Dumbo and his Sun Smasher.

I'm free!

The head of the caridan academy throws poison wine at Mon mothma and then uses a spider robot to attack a mountain fortress housing baby Anakin Solo while Winter defends him with a tentacle robot.

Chewie and 3P0 babysit jaina and jacen by taking them to the nature museum but then the twins take an elevator to coruscant's undercity where they get chased by a mutant ogre.

Lando goes to the horse blob races.

Admiral Daala is the most delusional and entertaining nutjob of an imperial warlord ever and poor Pellaeon got stuck with her in later books.

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."
"Size matters not" being used as a reason for why Jedi can affect nanobots was pretty neat to be honest.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Daala's significant other in a future book makes Hutt porn for a living.

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?
That was planet of Twilight, right? The one with the swole Hutt who tried to strangle Leia?

Ingmar terdman
Jul 24, 2006

Arcsquad12 posted:

The head of the caridan academy throws poison wine at Mon mothma and then uses a spider robot to attack a mountain fortress housing baby Anakin Solo while Winter defends him with a tentacle robot.

Chewie and 3P0 babysit jaina and jacen by taking them to the nature museum but then the twins take an elevator to coruscant's undercity where they get chased by a mutant ogre.

Lando goes to the horse blob races.

Admiral Daala is the most delusional and entertaining nutjob of an imperial warlord ever and poor Pellaeon got stuck with her in later books.

Doesn't Ackbar pull the major diplomatic faux pas of crashing a b-wing through some planet's millennias-old crystal cathedral also

punchymcpunch
Oct 14, 2012



horse blobs sound cool

thrawn527
Mar 27, 2004

Thrawn/Pellaeon
Studying the art of terrorists
To keep you safe

Man, I realize I forget most of that series too, because I honestly can't tell if any of these are real or made up.

Though I never read Planet of Twilight, so anything mentioned there would be new to me. I hated Children of the Jedi so god drat much I refused to read anything else from that author.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Ackbar's B -Wing was sabotaged by a brainwashed Mon Cal working for the Carida guy.

Arcsquad12 posted:

That was planet of Twilight, right? The one with the swole Hutt who tried to strangle Leia?
Pretty sure. I'm not sure if the boom described him as being athletic for a Hutt. I know the official illustration looks like that. Then again the illustration for the main antagonist of Black Fleet Crisis depicts him holding an eyeball for reasons despite that never happening in the books.

Edit: I was pretty disappointed because I thought Thrawn: Alliance was coming out at the start of the month, not the end.

Casimir Radon fucked around with this message at 16:40 on Jun 7, 2018

Doctor Spaceman
Jul 6, 2010

"Everyone's entitled to their point of view, but that's seriously a weird one."

Ingmar terdman posted:

Doesn't Ackbar pull the major diplomatic faux pas of crashing a b-wing through some planet's millennias-old crystal cathedral also

Yeah but he was set up.

Jazerus
May 24, 2011


i will never forget skynyxxnexx

VaultAggie
Nov 18, 2010

Best out of 71?
Wasn’t Dallas only accomplishment in the series was to blow up a farm?

Arc Hammer
Mar 4, 2013

Got any deathsticks?

VaultAggie posted:

Wasn’t Dallas only accomplishment in the series was to blow up a farm?

Yeah she torched a small town on dantooine

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Luke Skywalker's greatest contribution to the plot of Star Wars was trying to kill his own nephew and failing.

It was really bizarre when he was presented as the reasonable party when he met his nephew again after that.

jivjov
Sep 13, 2007

But how does it taste? Yummy!
Dinosaur Gum

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

Luke Skywalker's greatest contribution to the plot of Star Wars was trying to kill his own nephew and failing.

It was really bizarre when he was presented as the reasonable party when he met his nephew again after that.

He...he didn't try to kill Ben. Rewatch the film.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

jivjov posted:

He...he didn't try to kill Ben. Rewatch the film.

He did.

Remember that the flashback which shows that he decided not to is expressly from his perspective. Luke is simply deluding himself by making excuses. He wasn't actually going to kill him, he changed his mind at the last second, etc. No one actually buys that crap.

Even if it was true, it would still mean that he came to kill a child who was placed in his trust, for harboring potential political and religious disagreements. His nephew saw his own uncle, his teacher, over his bed with clear intent to kill.

And then when they meet again Luke Skywalker calls Kylo Ren an idiot loser when the latter is trying to exact justice for, you know, the whole planning-to-murder-him-in-his-sleep thing. And Luke Skywalker is presented as the reasonable party. It's like that one comic with Hitler and the strawman.

Kylo Ren: RARG PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE HUMANS NO ONE SHOULD BE KILLED IN THEIR SLEEP OVER RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES HURR
Luke Skywalker: I just wanted to murder my nephew and start a new theocracy, but hey, that's your opinion and I'm fine with that. Looks like you've got some growing up to do.

Lemniscate Blue
Apr 21, 2006

Here we go again.
Please don't respond to trolling shitposters.

Rand Ecliptic
May 23, 2003

Jesus Saves! - And Takes Half Damage!!

BravestOfTheLamps posted:

He did.

Remember that the flashback which shows that he decided not to is expressly from his perspective. Luke is simply deluding himself by making excuses. He wasn't actually going to kill him, he changed his mind at the last second, etc. No one actually buys that crap.

Even if it was true, it would still mean that he came to kill a child who was placed in his trust, for harboring potential political and religious disagreements. His nephew saw his own uncle, his teacher, over his bed with clear intent to kill.

And then when they meet again Luke Skywalker calls Kylo Ren an idiot loser when the latter is trying to exact justice for, you know, the whole planning-to-murder-him-in-his-sleep thing. And Luke Skywalker is presented as the reasonable party. It's like that one comic with Hitler and the strawman.

Kylo Ren: RARG PEOPLE DESERVE TO BE TREATED LIKE HUMANS NO ONE SHOULD BE KILLED IN THEIR SLEEP OVER RELIGIOUS DIFFERENCES HURR
Luke Skywalker: I just wanted to murder my nephew and start a new theocracy, but hey, that's your opinion and I'm fine with that. Looks like you've got some growing up to do.

Aren't you taking the word of Kylo Ren, a very evil piece of poo poo, over Luke Skywalker's word though?

Edit: Granted, while I've seen the film twice, I haven't seen it since December.

Rand Ecliptic fucked around with this message at 23:04 on Jun 7, 2018

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy

Rand Ecliptic posted:

Aren't you taking the word of Kylo Ren, a very evil piece of poo poo, over Luke Skywalker's word though?

1) Both their stories agree - Luke Skywalker approached his sleeping nephew with the intent to kill. Luke Skywalker's defence is that he totally changed his mind at the last second.

2) Kylo Ren is not evil. He in fact kills Jedi, who are evil.

ScottyJSno
Aug 16, 2010

日本が大好きです!

BravestOfTheLamps posted:


2) Kylo Ren is not evil. He in fact kills Jedi, who are evil.


Karen Traviss account found.

BravestOfTheLamps
Oct 12, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
Lipstick Apathy
Man who swore to kill child claims that he wasn't going to kill the child, after being caught with loaded gun against said child's head.

Wheat Loaf
Feb 13, 2012

by FactsAreUseless
I thought Ben was meant to be an adult because Luke didn't start training him until he was grown.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Wheat Loaf posted:

I thought Ben was meant to be an adult because Luke didn't start training him until he was grown.
They haven't really specified that yet. He was 23 when be found out he was descended from Vader, but that's all we really know about his training.

Gnome de plume
Sep 5, 2006

Hell.
Fucking.
Yes.
When you reach a certain age anyone who doesn't have to get up 4 times during the night to use the toilet is a child.

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Chairman Capone
Dec 17, 2008

jivjov posted:

https://twitter.com/delreystarwars/status/1001822314445660161?s=21

Oh boy, I can't loving wait for lovely alpha males to start whining about Kathleen Kennedy cucking Star Wars fans!

I think this is a good idea for a book, but solely based on my experience of listening to Amy Ratcliffe on the Full of Sith podcast, she is not at all someone I would hand a project like this to. I think Holly Frey, the cohost who replaced her when she left, would do a much better job.

I think this is also going to be a case where writing 75 entries on women from the post-2015 era on is going to run into the standard Essential Guide/Tales of... problem of having 30 entries on major characters and the remainder being full-page entries on "woman slightly visible in the background of Maz's Castle in a deleted scene." Should just have made it about women from the entire history of Star Wars. I don't think anyone would really care about the EU/Canon distinction for a book celebrating the women of Star Wars.

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