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marktheando posted:But yes Bethesda probably don’t help an actors performance with their silly secrecy- they give the actors so little information they don’t even know they are in a Fallout game (see Kellogg in Fallout 4). That documentary said they do this for a reason.
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Lol I remember seeing those at the time and thinking "ha! Voiced player character? Intro narrated by male player character thus establishing him as canon, instead of Ron Perlman?! Obviously a hoax"
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Jun 7, 2018 21:45
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Lol I just realized if you play as Nate instead of Nora the game literally begins with your wife being fridged.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:48
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Arcsquad12 posted:One thing I wish more voiced protagonist games would take from Obsidian and Alpha Protocol is the timed response mechanic. You have to make a decision during dialogue which option to take before the timer runs out. This has a dual purpose of making you react with split second decision making, while also allowing the dialogue to flow like a natural conversation because you don't have enormous pauses while you mull over your speech options. Isn't that just turning all dialog into a QTE? I mean, everyone loves those.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:56
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my favorite fallout 4 moment was when i saw the guy in diamond city pointing a gun at his brother accusing him of being a synth. being super charismatic, i used pacify to calm him down and defuse the situation and then the entire town shot me to death lmao.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:56
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The only way to deal with synth lovers.
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Jun 7, 2018 21:58
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Rincewinds posted:The only way to deal with synth lovers. it was less about helping synths and more seeing if i could use charisma for anything other than demanding more caps. turns out not really 
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Jun 7, 2018 22:14
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I forget, does the brother have a component on him?
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Jun 7, 2018 22:27
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FronzelNeekburm posted:That documentary said they do this for a reason. Well yeah, but it’s silly they care that much about leaks. It’s a game, not the Manhattan project. Where’s the harm in the public knowing what game they are working on?
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Jun 7, 2018 22:31
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Keeshhound posted:I forget, does the brother have a component on him? no http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Kyle_(Fallout_4) and http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Riley
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Jun 7, 2018 22:33
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marktheando posted:Well yeah, but it’s silly they care that much about leaks. It’s a game, not the Manhattan project. Where’s the harm in the public knowing what game they are working on? Disturbs their carefully constructed marketing strategies. The secrecy has some "fun" consequences https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaOSPUtjidY
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Jun 7, 2018 22:42
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Fallout 76: But All The Dialogue Inflection and Animation Is On Par With Sonic Adventure
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Jun 7, 2018 22:51
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Poniard posted:Lol if you keep fallout 4's cinematic camera turned on. Walking away from NPCs mid conversation is pretty good. just lol if you don't min/max by walking away and save scumming quest turn-ins/dialogue XP prompts while running Idiot Savant
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Jun 7, 2018 22:57
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:More often than not, the four dialogue options would be slightly different and all voiced in different intonations while saying the same thing. I don't believe that the voiced dialogue is necessarily to blame for the railroady conversation, or at least, I don't think it's the biggest culprit. If they weren't ready to do a good job with PC voice acting then they shouldn't have done it.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:02
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counterfeitsaint posted:Isn't that just turning all dialog into a QTE? I mean, everyone loves those. Not really, it's not like you can fail a dialogue choice and have to restart thr whole sequence like you do with bad QTEs
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Jun 7, 2018 23:08
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I think Alpha Protocol has my favorite dialogue system of any game, but I also think the timed responses make much more sense in the context of playing a spy/secret agent. I wouldn't want the same mechanic when I'm talking to Joe Peasant as Geralt.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:13
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If there's no failure or bad option then there's no point to the timer. Most of the dialogue in Fallout is just information gathering; usually your character just asking questions about what the hell is going on. I really don't see adding a timer being anything more than an annoyance.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:14
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popewiles posted:I think Alpha Protocol has my favorite dialogue system of any game, but I also think the timed responses make much more sense in the context of playing a spy/secret agent. I wouldn't want the same mechanic when I'm talking to Joe Peasant as Geralt. W3 does have some timed responses during tense moments.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:15
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Improbable Lobster posted:Not really, it's not like you can fail a dialogue choice and have to restart thr whole sequence like you do with bad QTEs See, that's true in Alpha Protocol, sure (even then, people bitched about it.) But this is Bethesda we're talking about. I guarantee they'd make it possible to gently caress up.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:16
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Rinkles posted:W3 does have some timed responses during tense moments. That's true, I guess I just meant I would probably be annoyed if I had to deal with timed responses in every low-stakes conversation in a Fallout game.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:17
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popewiles posted:That's true, I guess I just meant I would probably be annoyed if I had to deal with timed responses in every low-stakes conversation in a Fallout game. Same. I don't love them in general, but used sparingly they can add tension at appropriate times.
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Jun 7, 2018 23:19
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Pity there's no "Stay silent" option and just play the game as a mute lunatic with a gun
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ASenileAnimal posted:my favorite fallout 4 moment was when i saw the guy in diamond city pointing a gun at his brother accusing him of being a synth. being super charismatic, i used pacify to calm him down and defuse the situation and then the entire town shot me to death lmao. And yet everyone in town is perfectly fine with you shooting him instead, the guards even praise you for it Rinkles posted:W3 does have some timed responses during tense moments. As nonsense as the plan turned out to be I'll admit that "PUT BABY IN OVEN?" made me panic like hell the first time through and it was a fantastic moment
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Jun 8, 2018 00:37
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I like how after like 2-4 quests you get named leader of the faction.
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Jun 8, 2018 00:46
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AlternateAccount posted:Why has no one made a giant mod of FO1 or FO2 in FO4's engine? Fallout 1 actually has shockingly little content when you examine it. There are only 13 actual locations in the game but between blindly wandering around the overworld and the incredibly slow combat (not a knock, just a fact) the gameplay takes much longer. In a Fallout 4 conversion you would either need to invent a lot of new wasteland content to fill it out or it would only take an hour to beat.
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Jun 8, 2018 00:50
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Tenzarin posted:I like how after like 2-4 quests you get named leader of the faction. these people can't even sweep up their floors after 200 years, they desperately need someone with their poo poo together calling the shots
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Jun 8, 2018 00:53
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Tenzarin posted:I like how after like 2-4 quests you get named leader of the faction. This is literally only true of the faction that consists of one suicidal guy, you never become the leader of the BoS or Railroad and you don't become Institute director until the end of the game if you go that route. I guess it's kinda true in Skyrim though 
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Wolfsheim posted:I guess it's kinda true in Skyrim though "Kinda true" don't you become the leader of literally every guild you join once you complete the quest chains? Yeah I guess it's more than just 2 - 4 quests but I'll never not laugh at my Orc barbarian style character becoming the leader of the Thieves Guild and then the loving Archmage.
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Jun 8, 2018 01:39
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Garrand posted:"Kinda true" don't you become the leader of literally every guild you join once you complete the quest chains? Yeah I guess it's more than just 2 - 4 quests but I'll never not laugh at my Orc barbarian style character becoming the leader of the Thieves Guild and then the loving Archmage. Yea this is What I liked about ESO > skyrim since they dont make you the guildmaster of everything bc you Did their questline. Skyrims ”archmage who literally cant cast anything except summon ateonarch to get inside the college” is a retarded idea.
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I have a hot take on Honest Hearts (7 years late): Start it naked. No matter what level you are, start it with no equipment or inventory of any kind, including caps. I'm doing this at level 30 with PN hardcore mode on and it's a lot more fun, plus I think it really fits the themes and setting of the DLC, going full survival mode.
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Garrand posted:"Kinda true" don't you become the leader of literally every guild you join once you complete the quest chains? Yeah I guess it's more than just 2 - 4 quests but I'll never not laugh at my Orc barbarian style character becoming the leader of the Thieves Guild and then the loving Archmage. Right, and that's been a thing in every Elder Scrolls game since forever, though they at least used to gate your progression with skill checks on magic/etc. The only time anything comparable really comes up in Fallout at all is the Minutemen (which is just one real depressed guy at that point) and Yes Man (which is just you stealing someone else's plan that was like 60% of the way finished). Speaking of bad factions though, I always thought it would be a pro-move on Bethesda's part to throw the thieves guild in a Fallout game and enjoy the outrage over them ruining the series/etc because it was such a completely lame nothing of a faction that I'm willing to bet people forgot they were in the first game at all.
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Wolfsheim posted:This is literally only true of the faction that consists of one suicidal guy, you never become the leader of the BoS or Railroad and you don't become Institute director until the end of the game if you go that route. Your the who of the minutemen and the raiders?
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The first time I went in, I was wearing a comfortable pair of traveling clothes (dt 2) (including a hat to keep the sun off my neck), a pair of brass knuckles and a lever action shotgun with one reload worth of extra shells, three stimpaks, and three days worth of food and water. (I'll note that I did this after having already gone through dead money, killed a dozen or so sets of legionary assassins, and cleaned out Quarry Junction with a basic power fist and no sneak attacks. I left all my good stuff at home in Novac because, you know, I was going on a caravan trip for a few weeks (to let the heat die down after having just punched Caesar to death). It was a blast, best way I ever played it. I tend to do something similar for OWB (usually my typical traveling gear, which is minimal, on my way to recruit Cass and noticing an interesting transmission) and LR (disappearing on the eve of the battle for the Dam without telling any of my friends, having left behind my battle gear to make sure it doesn't get wrecked before the big fight), too.
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Wolfsheim posted:Right, and that's been a thing in every Elder Scrolls game since forever, though they at least used to gate your progression with skill checks on magic/etc. The only time anything comparable really comes up in Fallout at all is the Minutemen (which is just one real depressed guy at that point) and Yes Man (which is just you stealing someone else's plan that was like 60% of the way finished). Yes, but that would mean having more of the Thieves Guild, as written by modern Bethesda.
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there's a thieves guild in 2 run by some fake british dude
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Keeshhound posted:Yes, but that would mean having more of the Thieves Guild, as written by modern Bethesda. Isn't that the railroad? They make you pick a lame nickname and give you all stealth weapons.
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EimiYoshikawa posted:The first time I went in, I was wearing a comfortable pair of traveling clothes (dt 2) (including a hat to keep the sun off my neck), a pair of brass knuckles and a lever action shotgun with one reload worth of extra shells, three stimpaks, and three days worth of food and water. I'm having a lot more fun. Every survivalist cache feels like a real treasure, I'm actually using survival recipes past level 5, and I don't have to worry about my inventory space being filled by weapons that I can't use because there's no ammo and can't drop because they're unique. It's adding much needed difficulty and fun to the mid/late game. I'm intrigued by the idea of doing the same for Lonesome Road, but it's the only DLC I've never played (despite playing the others 3-4 times, now) and I'm a little hesitant. That's the only one you can leave whenever you want, right? I guess if it's too much I can just go back to base for my one million stimpacks and OP weapons. I wish one of the 3D games would capture the feeling of danger and scarcity that all of Fallout 1 and half of Fallout 2 had. That feeling of every bullet, stimpack, and tool being truly valuable and your inventory being limited to a greater, if still reasonable degree. I thought Project Nevada would help, and it does to some extent, but there's still something about Bethesda open worlds that make them feel a little too safe and victory a little too inevitable once you're past level 10.
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jfood posted:there's a thieves guild in 2 run by some fake british dude ???? Wheres this? I thought I Remember fallout 2 by heart even after 10 years But Im totally lost here Nvm googled it and Its in fallout 1, not 2. No wonder I couldnt Remember it
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Riatsala posted:I'm having a lot more fun. Every survivalist cache feels like a real treasure, I'm actually using survival recipes past level 5, and I don't have to worry about my inventory space being filled by weapons that I can't use because there's no ammo and can't drop because they're unique. I feel like one of the issues goes back to Morrowind; they felt the need to put a poo poo load of items everywhere. One of the reasons the early Fallouts felt like there weren't many items is because there just weren't. As the game progressed there was more and more and if you put any points into Barter you could just buy as much poo poo as you could ever want but early on? Like you said; everything was precious. Bethesda games just kind of fling loot at you nonstop. In Fallout you couldn't loot every single suit of armor from every person you killed and then sell them. In Bethesda Fallout you can and it can net you absurd amounts of money. They also don't seem to notice whenever they put something in that completely trivializes money. Fallout 4 is probably the worst for that; you can from the very start without much investment start pumping water out of Sanctuary by the truck load to just trade for everything you could ever possibly need. Bethesda's answer to that was to limit the number of caps you can get from a merchant but it's a hilariously ineffective way to limit player money when the merchants all have so much poo poo that it's utterly irrelevant. Fallout 1 and 2 put serious limits on what the early game merchants could even get their hands on as well as how much stuff or caps you could get to even trade with in the first place. When you're in Junktown with 87 caps suddenly what you spend them on matters. When you can outfit Sanctuary to poo poo out a couple dozen bottles of purified water a day right out of the gate you might as well be able to just click on merchants and have them vomit piles of gear on you for free. Not to mention the gigantic piles of loot the game throws at you constantly. The original Fallouts were loving stingy which is part of why they managed to feel so apocalyptic. You'd have a pair of pants, a spear, a lovely pistol, 9 bullets, and enough caps to buy some lunch.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:I feel like one of the issues goes back to Morrowind; they felt the need to put a poo poo load of items everywhere. One of the reasons the early Fallouts felt like there weren't many items is because there just weren't. As the game progressed there was more and more and if you put any points into Barter you could just buy as much poo poo as you could ever want but early on? Like you said; everything was precious. Also most of the time you had to barter on 2 since there Wasnt cash around. Oh you ended up with 2 HK CAWSes after you witnessed a fight between vault city patrol unit and raiders? Well they go for 4500$ each but good luck finding anyone with that money before NCR. On the other hand that unit of 50 micro fusion cells? 1300 bucks.
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