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Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


China is apparently surpassing the US in science. Either this is a fluff piece or Trump has majorly screwed up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.2a48f8413646

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McGavin
Sep 18, 2012

Ccs posted:

China is apparently surpassing the US in science. Either this is a fluff piece or Trump has majorly screwed up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.2a48f8413646

:crossarms: Total number of journal articles, more supercomputers, largest radio telescope... :nallears:

Yep, it's a fluff piece.

Nucken Futz
Oct 30, 2010

by Reene

McGavin posted:

:crossarms: Total number of journal articles, more supercomputers, largest radio telescope... :nallears:

Yep, it's a fluff piece.

It's surprising the article didn't mention anything about trains.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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When one considers each of my posts to be scientific articles I recently surpassed Norway in science generated, as demonstrated by the "science" numbers on this screen going up

Baronjutter
Dec 31, 2007

"Tiny Trains"

I love how many CHINA 202X articles always try to quantify things like we're playing civilization or something. Research papers = research points and china is producing more research points now, they're going to out-tech us soon and once they've got way more population units so when they save up enough luxuries to upgrade their pops they will double their production output. Food points are a potential bottleneck but with their research points they'll be able to unlock +1 farms which should more than solve any problems. There is no way within the game mechanics that china won't be on track for a victory by 2020. Yes pollution is a problem too, but again with their insane production and research points they'll be able to quickly upgrade their coal plants to nuclear and solar and build recycling centers in all their cities which should reduce it by 90%.

Baronjutter fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jun 8, 2018

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008
How long till China can build a Gundam?

MockingQuantum
Jan 20, 2012



I would blow Dane Cook posted:

How long till China can build a Gundam?

-4 years.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:

How long till China can build a Gundam?

Do they have the expansion

fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010
The more articles thing is especially bulkshit, since that's a positive feedback loop. Chinese universities publish a large amount of articles which get massively cited by other Chinese universities, which in turn leads to a huge to rankings on top university, and innovation lists. Amount of journal articles and amount of citations are both numbers which are super easy to manipulate.

Ccs
Feb 25, 2011


Yeah. It is true at least that the US becoming more strict on immigration will lead to a brain drain though, so China will see some benefit from that. (Of course they also have brain drain will all their smart people immigrating away.)

Some friends who studied neuroscience had professors who would travel to China in the summer to do experiments that weren't able to pass ethical boards in America, and collected valuable data from it.

I would blow Dane Cook
Dec 26, 2008

Ccs posted:


Some friends who studied neuroscience had professors who would travel to China in the summer to do experiments that weren't able to pass ethical boards in America, and collected valuable data from it.

How horrifying are we talking here?

Meme Poker Party
Sep 1, 2006

by Azathoth

Ccs posted:

Yeah. It is true at least that the US becoming more strict on immigration will lead to a brain drain though, so China will see some benefit from that. (Of course they also have brain drain will all their smart people immigrating away.)

Some friends who studied neuroscience had professors who would travel to China in the summer to do experiments that weren't able to pass ethical boards in America, and collected valuable data from it.

United States discouraging smart people from entering, China discouraging smart people from staying.

Mistle
Oct 11, 2005

Eckot's comic relief cousin from out of town
Grimey Drawer

Ccs posted:

immigrating away.)

:eng101: emigrating.

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

How long till China can steal the plans to build a Gundam?

Based on articles and all the politics/business/court nonsense I like watching, I think this is what you meant

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

How horrifying are we talking here?

Well, I mean, the last time foreigners moved to China to perform grossly unethical experiments was during a civil war, so...

Power Khan
Aug 20, 2011

by Fritz the Horse

I would blow Dane Cook posted:

How long till China can build a Gundam?

Mod, pls rename me to Chabuduo Gundam

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer

Power Khan posted:

Mod, pls rename me to Chabuduo Gundam

You know there’s a Kowloon gundam. But turns out it’s actually a master gundam. So I guess it is a chabuduo gundam because

Kharnifex
Sep 11, 2001

The Banter is better in AusGBS
How long till China makes Evangelion?

Oh nevermind.

https://youtu.be/VFjbtjEF_4Q

Chabuduo 00, Senkousha

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:
Canada just denied visas to a bunch of Chinese officials meeting for one of those hometown clan associations

https://twitter.com/TerryGlavin/status/1004960475124133888?s=19

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Imperialist Dog posted:

Canada just denied visas to a bunch of Chinese officials meeting for one of those hometown clan associations

https://twitter.com/TerryGlavin/status/1004960475124133888?s=19

quote:

China expert Charles Burton, a former diplomat at the Canadian embassy in Beijing, said the Chinese government has been increasingly denying Canadian visas applicants on political grounds.

“The full details of the scope and range of this is known only to the Chinese consular offices in Canada,” he said. “But it is extensive and negatively impacts on the development of Canada-China relations.”

He added the Canadian government is also growing more concerned about the activities of agents of the Chinese Communist Party’s United Front Work Department.

Nice to see Canada growing a bit of a backbone. Unfortunately the CCP won't be able to see how their actions probably brought this about and will just start the autistic screeching about how Canada has hurt the feelings of the Chinese people.

Porfiriato
Jan 4, 2016


I recently read Silent Invasion, which chronicles the CCP’s efforts to insinuate itself into Australian political and economic life. Part of the book talks about these sorts of organizations for “Overseas Chinese” in Australia and how a large number of them are, if not directly controlled and funded by the United Front propaganda department, then at the very least they’ve usually managed to place into the leadership people who are CCP-friendly (perhaps even outright CCP agents in some cases).

These groups are useful both in stirring up pro-CCP sentiment among Chinese emigres and in monitoring their activities, so it makes sense they would be a target of the Communist Party. Good on Canada for taking a stand.

As a side note Silent Invasion was quite good though I did feel the author was occasionally reaching to make connections. It was basically a footnoted and sourced fojar.txt, I could see him reading it and going :hmmyes: about 3 times per page.

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Nucken Futz posted:

It's surprising the article didn't mention anything about trains straddle buses.
fixed

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
\
:backtowork:
Dr Burton was my professor at University and he's bought my kids gifts so I'm always happy when he gets quoted.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


My flat smells like twiglets all of a sudden

someone in this loving building, probably on this floor, is cooking with marmite. At quarter to 3 in the morning. what the gently caress i don't even live in the uk and even when i did marmite is not something you cook with

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Try cooking with marmite, it's really useful. I put it in a lot of sauces for an extra umami kick.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


I'm not totally against it as a concept but it's unusual even where marmite's common

I tend to prefer a vinegary bent so I use lea and perrins more

e: yeah yeah i know i said "its not something you cook with" and you totally can, someones gonna call me out on that, whatever
straight talk grand fromage cookery tips are always welcome
e2: plus adding it in a sauce doesn't make the whole floor smell like twiglets. at 3am.

simplefish fucked around with this message at 19:53 on Jun 8, 2018

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


There's no accounting for the smells in a Chinese apartment building.

Next time you make curry or a tomato sauce or something give it a nice whack of marmite. Not too much, you don't want to actually taste it just get the savoriness. I add soy sauce, fish sauce, and marmite to my tomato pasta sauce. You'd never know they're in there but it gives it a ton of oomph.

Lupin
Feb 21, 2007

Imperialist Dog posted:

Canada just denied visas to a bunch of Chinese officials meeting for one of those hometown clan associations

quote:

Mr. Ma said. “Of course, I am unhappy. Besides that, I feel why Canada is so nervous now? They came to spend money. Why deny their visas?”

Sten Freak
Sep 10, 2008

Despite all of these shortcomings, the Sten still has a long track record of shooting people right in the face.
College Slice
E: ok Canada denied the visas nevermind

CIGNX
May 7, 2006

You can trust me

Grand Fromage posted:

There's no accounting for the smells in a Chinese apartment building.

Next time you make curry or a tomato sauce or something give it a nice whack of marmite. Not too much, you don't want to actually taste it just get the savoriness. I add soy sauce, fish sauce, and marmite to my tomato pasta sauce. You'd never know they're in there but it gives it a ton of oomph.

You can also use fish sauce as a replacement for whenever a recipe calls for anchovy paste or mashed anchovy filets. I've used it for beef stews, puttanesca, caesar salad dressing, and German meatballs/Koenigsberger klopse. And fish sauce is way more convenient than anchovies because it has such a long shelf-life even after opening it.

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Lupin posted:

quote:

Mr. Ma said. “Of course, I am unhappy. Besides that, I feel why Canada is so nervous now? They came to spend money. Why deny their visas?”
NO WHY, BITCH

My Imaginary GF
Jul 17, 2005

by R. Guyovich

Ccs posted:

China is apparently surpassing the US in science. Either this is a fluff piece or Trump has majorly screwed up.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...m=.2a48f8413646

Its not a fluff piece like some of the paid pro-PRC hack editorials you'll come across. Its in a regular section of the paper, so its an expression of the paper's views. The gist of the article is this:

Jeff Bezos posted:

Under the Trump administration, many U.S. researchers say their work has been devalued, threatened by budget cuts and hampered by stricter immigration policies that could deter international collaborations and the influx of talent that has long fueled American innovation.

The call-to-action is to increase funding for American research and increase the availability of immigration visas for researchers.

Having written articles that touch upon Asian institutional culture, your sources will tell ya flat out how poo poo, say, Chinese electronic control board component quality control or Japanese firmware coding and documentation practices are. I imagine these reporters had sources telling them how poo poo the statistics coming out of China were, and just how poo poo Chinese academia is for anything other than your uni milking for some $.

Now that the WaPo has something up, maybe I should pitch to my editor an article on how poo poo Chinese academic papers are...

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
It's really that most Chinese academic institutions pay professors per academic paper published.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants
But I have money, why can't I come in an undermine your sovereignty?

Bajaj
Sep 13, 2017

by FactsAreUseless

Grand Fromage posted:

There's no accounting for the smells in a Chinese apartment building.

Next time you make curry or a tomato sauce or something give it a nice whack of marmite. Not too much, you don't want to actually taste it just get the savoriness. I add soy sauce, fish sauce, and marmite to my tomato pasta sauce. You'd never know they're in there but it gives it a ton of oomph.
I just want to say whoever thought of adding Worcestershire sauce to curry was a loving genius.

simplefish posted:

My flat smells like twiglets all of a sudden

someone in this loving building, probably on this floor, is cooking with marmite. At quarter to 3 in the morning. what the gently caress i don't even live in the uk and even when i did marmite is not something you cook with
"Today I'll be vaping a new marmite juice I created at 70 watts, 0.2 ohms. I have heard good things about this recipe and I figured I would make a video about it for my channel."

My Imaginary GF posted:

Having written articles that touch upon Asian institutional culture, your sources will tell ya flat out how poo poo, say, Chinese electronic control board component quality control or Japanese firmware coding and documentation practices are.
This is Chaoshan Girl's job, and last month she had a crying rage meltdown at yet another batch of her product going out and then being sent back. I told her to test them independently before sending them to the customers instead of relying on the factory's word, and it was like the first time she had ever had an idea like this. Turns out she can get like half a billion pieces tested at a place next to her office for like $9. As someone who earns like $200 to $10k USD profit from her part-time job, it was hilarious that she was lovely about checking what she sells.

Bajaj fucked around with this message at 05:58 on Jun 9, 2018

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Bajaj posted:

I just want to say whoever thought of adding Worcestershire sauce to curry was a loving genius.

Worcestershire's great but has a pretty distinct flavor, I use it when I want that to come through. The other ones fade into the background more easily, I find.

Blistex
Oct 30, 2003

Macho Business
Donkey Wrestler

Bajaj posted:

As someone who earns like $200 to $10k USD profit from her part-time job, it was hilarious that she was lovely about checking what she sells.

Even people who you'd classify as "clever" or "worldly" are prone to letting face culture get the best of them. The supplier said it would be produced to a certain quality, fault testing might be an insult.

caberham
Mar 18, 2009

by Smythe
Grimey Drawer
Chaoshao is not very bright

madeintaipei
Jul 13, 2012

caberham posted:

Chaoshao is not very bright

Awww, that's rough. Isn't she pretty young?

Huh, Chaoshao is in my phone's standard auto-correct dictionary. No other spelling.

Ups_rail
Dec 8, 2006

by Fluffdaddy
https://www.ozy.com/fast-forward/why-chinas-silicon-valley-faces-an-uncertain-future/87115



quote:

Shenzhen is a long way from Silicon Valley. Tech companies are housed in gleaming skyscrapers rather than on rolling campuses; there is scarcely a hoodie to be seen and the Communist Party influence is never far away.

Just across the border from Hong Kong and lying in the Pearl River Delta, this metropolis of some 12 million people is home to some of China’s biggest tech players, including the social media giant Tencent valued at over $500 billion and telecom equipment groups ZTE and Huawei. Other big players, such as Alibaba and Baidu, have offices alongside swaths of startups. Makers and sellers of electronic goods and components complete the lineup.

It is a city of migrants … and entrepreneurial spirits can be seen in everything from the soaring towers and sky bridges.

Shenzhen has “really come of age,” says Joe Ngai, managing partner of McKinsey’s Greater China, operation which opened offices in Shenzhen two years ago. The evolution from sleepy fishing village to factory of the world to tech valley began in 1979 when Deng Xiaoping launched a new economic model with the words “to get rich is glorious.” He designated Shenzhen a special economic zone.

It is a city of migrants — only the very young were actually born in Shenzhen — and entrepreneurial spirits can be seen in everything from the soaring towers and sky bridges of the Tencent building to the shopkeepers selling counterfeit goods. Their modest stalls display photo albums cataloging the vast array of fakes available to buy in nearby back rooms.

China’s small band of truly international companies such as DJI, the world’s biggest drone maker, are based there. Andrew “Bunnie” Huang, an independent consultant specializing in electronic manufacturing, has business in Shenzhen after growing up in the U.S. Now he thinks the area trumps its rival in California. The city has more things going for it, like a functional mass transit railway system alongside “cheap massages or crazy high-end restaurants.”

Yet the rapid pace of growth has also left some gaping holes in the fabric of everyday living. It is a work-hard culture that leaves little time for socializing some employers are responding with work-sponsored dating activities.
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Source Financial Times

When workers manage to marry and start a family, the question of child care looms. Grandparents are far away, and Shenzhen lacks a sizable pool of nannies to take care of offspring. And, like any city on the up, housing is expensive. Some entrepreneurs worth a fortune on paper complain they cannot afford to buy a home. Escalating costs, especially in tech-heavy districts like Futian and Nanshan, put upward pressure on salaries and rents.

Some companies are already moving out. Huawei, one of Shenzhen’s biggest taxpayers, has begun a retreat further inland to Dongguan and plans to move even more staff there once a new campus is finished.

Meanwhile, the tech boom had led to an oversupply of incubator space. “Incubators are everywhere,” says Huang. “They would have rooms with a 3D printer and not much else and call it maker space.” Many are little more than real estate rentals, or in many cases subrentals. Empty incubators also hint at an incipient bubble.

Meanwhile, the government is pressing ahead with plans to make China’s equivalent of Silicon Valley bigger than the U.S. namesake. The aim is to bolt Shenzhen together with Hong Kong, Macau and other cities to create a “Greater Bay Area,” where people and money can move freely.

This initiative is being backed by companies such as Tencent, which is listed in and has offices in Hong Kong.

For the skeptics who do not believe the U.S.’ Bay Area can be replicated, Shenzhen will keep its seat as the local tech capital — at least so long as companies can still afford to operate there.


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fish and chips and dip
Feb 17, 2010
I'm in Chongqing currently. This is the first time I'm in western China, except for a week or so in the normal Yunnanese tourist traps. I'm amazed how much less everything pisses me off here compared to the eastern cities I've spent a lot of time in like Shanghai, Suzhou, Hangzhou and loving Beijing.

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